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Originally posted by OccamAssassin
change the atsimg /atsimg to just img /img .....Don't forget the square brackets around each tag.
Originally posted by CitizenNum287119327
probably not a satellite
the choppers cameras can see what packet of cigarettes you are holding 5km away.
Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by longtermproject
I think the point he was making is that the chopper can see a distance, quite clearly, well BEYOND what you would have been able to see or hear. Therefore, the chopper saw you way before you saw it. And this is a good thing. It would be rather silly to conduct surveillance in a noisy chopper that everyone could see or hear before approaching it's target, no?
Originally posted by DJM8507
The Government via the NRO and NSA have a satellite network that is ultra-high resolution, world-wide. Imagine Google Earth, now imagine it being a completely LIVE feed. They have the ability to zoom down and read the words off a piece of paper you may be reading, all through advanced optics and software. It is all controlled through an intelligent interface driven by a sophisticated AI that can watch for things. In addition to the live surveillance and monitoring capabilities it also saves the data, for years, allowing them to go back to any spot on the globe for a playback or analysis with given parameters.
The imaging data is also quite advanced, where the satellites, utilizing an advanced "infinite lense" array are able to overlap one another to provide other, 3D perspectives of any scene, and to even alter the refraction of the light captured in those images to highlight different aspects of a location. Imagine the bullet scene from the Matrix, and that is essentially what it allows them to do.
Other features include biometric analysis and environmental analysis in addition to full audio reception. These satellites can also see through most structures. If you are their mark and are of interest they can put a 'track' on you where the system will follow and watch and listen. It will also mine all your digital data and collaborate it together in real time to predict your movements and possible threats, flagging it for a real-world analyst if you cross a predefined threshold.
The technology is amazing, and there are literally rooms full of analysts with advanced "optical gear" that interfaces directly into these machines, scanning and reviewing all the information, for hours on end, and sharing it via a digital social-like network with other analysts. Kind of like a borg-hive mind, done incredibly fast so they can take the information, sift through it, and make determinations for forwarding on to the higher-ups for the major decision making.edit on 7-9-2011 by DJM8507 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by davidgrouchy
== Disclaimer ================
I have no facts or sourced information to add to this discussion.
I offer one possible theoretical idea instead.
Just to increase the number of
All the Barret M85's could have gps locators built into them.
When the vector detected shows that one was moving
directly towards the Presidents location, the
chopper was routed to so security could
get eyes on the ground.
Has anyone ever
done an EF scan on a Barret M85
to see if they are putting out an intermittant signal?
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by DJM8507
It sounds like you have done some good research on this subject. While I can easily see and understand how satellites can spot people/objects through various optics and software recognition programs I have a hard believing that they can do the same with audio.
What kind of technology would allow this?
How could a satellite "hear"anything since it's not in the atmosphere?
The cameras I've know about since I was a kid - my dad worked on the hi-res cameras they were using back 50 years ago and even then they could do much more than what you saw in the Cuban missile crisis.
The acoustic technology really interests me though, can you point to any resources?
Great story and thread, totally believable.
I worked in a gun armory too and had the BATF hanging around like flies for months while they checked out inventory and log books.
Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Asktheanimals
The audio is a bit of a dubious claim, as are the "AI" claims (though some people classify antilock brakes as an AI program because they don't understand the intelligence qualifier... but I digress).
In theory, this is possible by detecting the slight diffraction in the air caused by permeating sound waves, or using another reference media - such as a pane of glass. I doubt the practicality of doing this from orbit. About the best we can do are some very sophisticated systems that allow a laser to be bounced off of a window and the frequency modulation caused by the vibrating glass used to generate an audio profile (that would then have to be filtered, most likely, of background noise). And even that would have its limitations - human voices are only so powerful by comparison to the roar of the world around them. Eventually it all gets lost in noise.
There has to be some truth to the AI side of the satellite discovery. There is no way that they had enough people watching with enough satellites to check every piece of ground at every moment. Having an AI that can look for distinctive objects (black rifle on white background sticks out in my mind) makes more sense, because it could be doing recognition checks on close scale while humans analyze potential issues.
Originally posted by longtermproject
This leads to the reason for this post. Obviously they were watching for threats from the air with the chopper, but the chopper was nowhere in sight when I took the gun outside, and when the chopper headed towards me, it was heading directly towards me, not near me, DIRECTLY TOWARDS ME.... This tells me that we definitely had satellite's watching the area, but as to how fast they were able to route a helicopter to me, was mind blowing. Either they had multiple satellites watching at once, have such high resolution that multiple computers are watching the entire area, or they have a program that picks out areas of interest when something like a gun are spotted. So let's discuss it, what do you think made it so easy for them to get to me so fast?