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Scientific Research on Solar System Brown Dwarf and Planet X.

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posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 06:59 PM
Just a question regarding any possible dwarf star.

A dwarf Star even thou it has not had the energy to ignite like out sun, the gfact that i "should" be visible in infrared shows that it still gives off heat.

What is the possibility thata planet orbiting a dwarf star could possibly have some form of life on it that the "Dark Heat" of a dwarf star has radiated to it?

This kind of makes me think that the greys wioth their large eyes might come from a workld that is very dark albeit the slight glow from a dwarf star, causing them to develop large eyes.

It also goes into the cospiracy theory about the movie Pitch Black with Vin Diesel about a world where life exists when it gets dark.

I know Im clutching at straws here but is there a chance that life could have developed on a world even so distant as this might be if orbiting closely within the vanicity of a dwarf star and basking in its Dark heat?

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:12 PM

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Thanks everyone for all the kinds words, the stars and flags.

Another thing I wanted to post here, and show you guys, or show again those who already have heard about it, is about a diagram which appeared in the 1987 Science and Invention Encyclopedia.

Although this is not definite proof, it is kind of strange that something like this would appear in an encyclopedia back in 1987.

The following appeared in the section for "Space Probes".

In the image you can find the drawing of what is called a tenth planet, which is situated in the drawing at about 4.7 Billion miles away, and it also shows a Dark Star situated at around 50 Billion miles away.

Here is a scan of the page, and the drawing.

The diagram in specific is the one on the top left.

No one knows exactly who, or why they printed that diagram in that encyclopedia, but it is real. We even had a couple of members verify with their own copies that this diagram is for real.

edit on 7-9-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

I was going to post this but you beat me to it Ive also have this in my ATS photo media section Unfortunately I cant access Its is Strange as of Why they have put there Unless they knew it was there or had a Feeling it was Anotehr Reason the Probe was Sent Out trying to find this They may have !! It also Ironic in 1983 that they have found another mass body Planet or a Brown Dwarf ! Bigger than Jupiter

and don't forget that the pioneer 10 became weak non respondent

Pioneer 10 Loss of signal


By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

Analysis of Washington Post IRAS Story by Bill Owen

Planets beyond Neptune- Further searches for Planet(s) X

Legacy The velocity away from the Sun is now a steady 12.2 km/s, or approximately 2.6 AU per year, which is sufficient to escape the Solar System. If left undisturbed, Pioneer 10 will join the Voyager Spacecraft and will leave the solar system to wander interstellar space. The trajectory into interstellar space is expected to take it in the general direction of the star Aldebaran, currently located at a distance of about 68 light years. If Aldebaran had zero relative velocity, it would require more than 2 million years for the spacecraft to reach the star.[12][59]

Aldebaran ???

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:14 PM
reply to post by hp1229

What does it all mean Basil!

jk looking at it. good stuff

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:26 PM
reply to post by Theophoros

Can you repost that video....the link doesn't work...thanks!

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:27 PM
There's gotta be something going on out in space that tptb are not telling us about. What's with all the bunkers being built?? They know something. Many civilizations have stories of destruction coming from the sky, and some knew it was a cyclical occurance. Look at this link, it will make you think. Pieces to the puzzle.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:42 PM
reply to post by Wolfenz

I and many others have said this many times (I even made a thread devoted to it), but the 1983 article makes no claims about a new planet or star being discovered. The article is about a journal article that would be published in 1984 discussing the findings from the IRAS mission. What the 1984 article stated is that out of the IRAS data there were ten unidentified returns. The researchers then speculated what these could be. While the list did include a Jupiter sized planet, it was among many other possibilities. In 1985 a follow-up journal article was published where the original team stated their findings that nine of these returns were young, ultra-luminous, distant galaxies. In 1987 another follow-up article was published. In this one the final return was identified as an infrared cirrus. To this date no new objects have been discovered in our solar system using the IRAS data.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:46 PM
reply to post by Xcalibur254

As the cited article by Bill Owen states.

Bottom line -- it's much ado about very little, a classic case of speculation being treated as the most likely scenario.

I don't think Wolfenz read his source.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 07:46 PM
Doesnt anyone remember that Space probe Nasa Sent to go do research on Pluto which made no sense at all because y would we need to do research on the smallest and coldest planet in the solar system. They also said it would take 10 years to reach it, it was launched in 2005...

NASA - New Horizons Mission

And then soon after, like 5 months later the International Scientific Society or something like that degraded pluto down from a planet to a dwarf planet......

Connection? maybe they knew something is out there and sent a probe to study that instead.

Like really what can we find on Pluto? -500 degree celsius frozen rock?

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 09:13 PM

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by Xcalibur254

But if you read the research I posted you can see that the Sun, and the entire Solar System seems to be affected by the brown dwarf.

From the secular increase in the AU, distance, between the Sun and the planets in the Solar System, the fact that even the moon seems to be affected by this possible brown dwarf, it is affecting comets, and asteroids as they are arriving much earlier than they are supposed to, and it is redirecting incoming cosmic microwave radiation.

Not only that, if you look at the elliptical orbit of Sedna something powerful enough is keeping Sedna in it's unusual long elliptical orbit. If there wasn't anything, like a brown dwarf, out there, eventually Sedna would have joined the rest of the planets in the Solar System into having a more circular orbit.

The only thing that would differ between the orbits of our Sun, and the brown dwarf is that the Sun would have a more circular orbit and the brown dwarf would have a more elliptical, and longer orbit, but they both would still have a barycenter.

It would be similar to this.

edit on 7-9-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

First of all, very good research and we appreciate your hard work. I'm going to play devils advocate and give some rebuttle to your observations and assumptions. This is in no way discrediting your hypothesis but rather compelling argument for your beliefs.

You said the planets are spreading out. Have you ever considered space-time is stretching? Like the expansion of the universe? Another good hypothesis is our galaxy is a black hole and we are already in it's clutches. Do you realize what happens when you accelerate toward a singularity? Do you understand why quantum mechanics and general relativity come up with an infinite number for time and gravity when studying a singularity of a blackj hole? If we were traveling downward in a black hole, space and time would stretch the farther down the hole you go. Matter cannot accelerate beyond the speed of light but time can in a black hole. Basically as we approach a singularity we reach an equilibrium where we cannot accelerate at the same rate as the black hole is collapsing. What this means is we are practically frozen in time and space. As we accelerate the rest of the universe will become farther away because of the way space and time are stretched. This could explain the expansion of the universe and the expansion of bodies within our solar system.

I'm going to need a lot more evidence to land into this theory of yours. Not to say you're wrong though..

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 09:22 PM
reply to post by Dinogur

The reason why the dwarf planet category was created is due to Eris. Since Eris was designated as a dwarf planet and larger than Pluto, Pluto had to be categorized as a dwarf planet. As for sending a probe to Pluto... Think of it this way, it took us over 100 years and Voyager 2 to get the mass of Neptune correct. There is still a lot about Pluto we don't know. We didn't discover two of its moons, Nix and Hydra, until 2005 and a fourth moon, S/2011 P1, was discovered just this year. For something we've known about for 81 years, we don't really know much about it.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 09:28 PM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

mind = blown

Amazing compilation of information.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 09:42 PM
Why do people say it would be difficult to find if it were in our solar system? They've already found brown dwarfs.. 13 million light years.. 18 million.. and even around distant stars.

So they can find all of those brown dwarfs, but people think it's unlikely to find one basically on our solar doorstep? I think if it were in our solar system, someone would have found it.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 09:45 PM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Do you know if there is any estimation of where the barycentre would be (based on the binary system hypothesis) in relation to Earth?

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 10:07 PM
An interesting theory that needs supporting evidence before it becomes a reality.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 10:33 PM
Very interesting. I have been waiting for someone to put up some facts and not just ideas with no back up. I don't understand all of it and am not sure if I believe it yet, will have to read several times and do some reseach on my own.

Thank you for the starting point.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 10:46 PM
Until we have a view of another star it could be one of many things. Also the orbital representation of the binary orbit around our sun defies all known physics in general relativity. If the object was that far out, it would have to have much more of an angular orbit, rather the almost perfect circle you've represented. Also a body with an angular orbit could not travel such great distances and return via the suns gravity. It's just not possible unless General Relativity is wrong, and so far it's been dead on accurate in everything we've observed.

I'm not going to be ignorant enough to say we don't live in a binary star system, because that would be abnormal in our galaxy, but this evidence is honestly not exactly convincing. You've done good research and it's apparent something is happening with the curvature of space-time, most likely our universe is inside a black hole, forcing bodies to expand away from eachother and stretching time.

posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 10:55 PM
reply to post by libertytoall

I'm not going to be ignorant enough to say we don't live in a binary star system, because that would be abnormal in our galaxy
Not necessarily. It's obviously impossible to count every star and every binary system but recent statistical analyses could be throwing a wrench into the idea that binary systems are more numerous that single systems.

In this Letter I compare recent findings suggesting a low binary star fraction for late-type stars with knowledge concerning the forms of the stellar initial and present-day mass functions for masses down to the hydrogen-burning limit. This comparison indicates that most stellar systems formed in the Galaxy are likely single and not binary, as has been often asserted. Indeed, in the current epoch two-thirds of all main-sequence stellar systems in the Galactic disk are composed of single stars. Some implications of this realization for understanding the star and planet formation process are briefly mentioned.

It actually seems that the odds are not that good that the Sun has a stellar companion. In our "neighborhood" only 33% of the sun-like stars are binary and the majority of those systems consist of stars of similar types (sun-like stars have sun-like companions). Recent studies show that the odds go down, way down, when considering a brown dwarf as a binary companion. Brown dwarfs tend to have brown dwarfs for companions, sun-like stars have sun-like stars.

So if it does turn out that if our star has a brown dwarf as a companion it would be out of the norm.

edit on 9/7/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 8 2011 @ 12:34 AM
Very, very compelling thread!

Scientific sources are clear enough to confirm indirectly the existence of a Brown Dwarf.

Next days I contact directly one of the scientist....

Update incoming.


posted on Sep, 8 2011 @ 01:38 AM

Originally posted by daveyboy1991
One of the best threads on ATS ive seen for a while, S&F, great read.

On one of the posts it mentions about the postulated interstellar cloud entering the solar system within the next 10,000 years, could this mean it could happen from like 100years from now to the next 10,000 years? or more directed at nearer the 10,000 year mark. Just interesting because of the changes happening on other planets in our solar system currently and to think how different they will be in a few thousand years from now
edit on 7-9-2011 by daveyboy1991 because: (no reason given)

Well, I wanted to get to that.

I also found recently that the timeframe in which they thought the Solar System would encounter this interstellar cloud was wrong.

Now they are saying that the Solar System will be completely within this interstellar cloud wintin 100 years, and i have also shown on other threads that we are already seeing that the Solar System is being affected by this interstellar cloud.

Ribbon at Edge of Our Solar System: Will the Sun Enter a Million-Degree Cloud of Interstellar Gas?
ScienceDaily (May 24, 2010) — Is the Sun going to enter a million-degree galactic cloud of interstellar gas soon?

Scientists from the Space Research Centre of the Polish Academy of Sciences, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Southwest Research Institute, and Boston University suggest that the ribbon of enhanced emissions of energetic neutral atoms, discovered last year by the NASA Small Explorer satellite IBEX, could be explained by a geometric effect coming up because of the approach of the Sun to the boundary between the Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot gas called the Local Bubble. If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years.

The Sun traveling through the Galaxy happens to cross at the present time a blob of gas about ten light-years across, with a temperature of 6-7 thousand degrees kelvin. This so-called Local Interstellar Cloud is immersed in a much larger expanse of a million-degree hot gas, named the Local Bubble. The energetic neutral atoms (ENA) are generated by charge exchange at the interface between the two gaseous media. ENA can be observed provided the Sun is close enough to the interface. The apparent Ribbon of ENA discovered by the IBEX satellite can be explained by a geometric effect: one observes many more ENA by looking along a line-of-sight almost tangent to the interface than by looking in the perpendicular direction. (Credit: SRC/Tentaris,ACh/Maciej Frolow)

Read this from 1996 when they thought it was farther away.

Our solar system may be headed for an encounter with a dense cloud of interstellar matter
Our solar system may be headed for an encounter with a dense cloud of interstellar matter–gas and dust–that could have substantial implications for our solar systems interplanetary environment, according to University of Chicago astrophysicist Priscilla Frisch. The good news is that it probably won’t happen for 50,000 years. Frisch presented the results of her research Monday, June 10, at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Madison, Wisc.

Frisch has been investigating the interstellar gas in the local neighborhood of our solar system, which is called the Local Interstellar Medium (LISM). This interstellar gas is within 100 light years of the Sun. The Sun has a trajectory through space, and for most of the last five million years, said Frisch, it has been moving through a region of space between the spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy that is almost devoid of matter. Only recently, within the last few thousand years, she estimates, the Sun has been traveling through a relatively low-density interstellar cloud.

“This cloud, although low density on average, has a tremendous amount of structure to it,” Frisch said. “And it is not inconsistent with our data that the Sun may eventually encounter a portion of the cloud that is a million times denser than what we’re in now.”

Frisch believes the interstellar cloud through which we’re traveling is a relatively narrow band of dust and gas that lies in a superbubble shell expanding outward from an active star-formation region called the Scorpius-Centaurus Association. “When this superbubble expanded around these stars, it expanded much farther into the region of our galaxy between the spiral arms, where our sun lies, because the density is very low,” Frisch said. “It didn’t expand very far in the direction parallel to the spiral arms because it ran into very dense molecular clouds.”

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posted on Sep, 8 2011 @ 02:05 AM
IMO we have been entering parts of this interstellar cloud for some years now, and i think so because NASA and ESA disclosed a few years back that interstellar dust entering the Solar System has been exponentially increasing, which must have a source, and interstellar dust is not the only thing which has found it's way into the Solar System.

ESA sees stardust storms heading for Solar System

Date Released: Monday, August 18, 2003
Source: Artemis Society
Until ten years ago, most astronomers did not believe stardust could enter our Solar System. Then ESAs Ulysses spaceprobe discovered minute stardust particles leaking through the Suns magnetic shield, into the realm of Earth and the other planets. Now, the same spaceprobe has shown that a flood of dusty particles is heading our way.

Part of it at first had to do with the Sun's magnetic field which did not flip completely, but even as the Sun's magnetic field realigned, and strengthen somehow the interplanetary dust, radiation, and charged particles from the interplanetary cloud continued to find their way inside the Solar System.

Space radiation hits record high

Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago."The space era has so far experienced a time of relatively low cosmic ray activity," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech, who is a member of the ACE team. "We may now be returning to levels typical of past centuries."

This energy has even warmed the Earth's atmosphere when the Sun's activity lowered to a crawl back in 2006-2009 or so.

Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind
"Its like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Further down on the article you can read the following

"We all have thought for our entire careers — I learned it as a graduate student — that this energy transfer rate is primarily controlled by the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field," Lyons said. "The closer to southward-pointing the magnetic field is, the stronger the energy transfer rate is, and the stronger the magnetic field is in that direction. If it is both southward and big, the energy transfer rate is even bigger."

However, Lyons, Kim and their colleagues analyzed radar data that measure the strength of the interaction by measuring flows in the ionosphere, the part of Earth's upper atmosphere ionized by solar radiation. The results surprised them.

"Any space physicist, including me, would have said a year ago there could not be substorms when the interplanetary magnetic field was staying northward, but that's wrong," Lyons said. "Generally, it's correct, but when you have a fluctuating interplanetary magnetic field, you can have substorms going off once per hour.

"Heejeong used detailed statistical analysis to prove this phenomenon is real. Convection in the magnetosphere and ionosphere can be strongly driven by these fluctuations, independent of the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field."

I posted much of this information before in 2010 in the following thread, also posting information on how apparently this interstellar cloud, or whatever is within it has been affecting every planet with an atmosphere in the Solar System.

And the first time I posted this information in these forums was back in 2006 in the following thread.

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