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From research conducted to date, over sixty US Army and Navy aircraft - B-29s, B-17s, Corsairs, P-80s, P-84s, AT-6s, P-51s, C-47s, C-54s, F-7s - were lost over this two month period [mid May to Mid July 1947]. A hundred and twenty airmen were killed and seventy four others injured in these incidents - gleaned from [only] four local and one national newspaper.
Source: Kissner, J. Andrew. Peculiar Phenomena. As cited in Timothy Good: Need to Know (p56).
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Originally posted by Pimander
Below is a list of numbers of crashes reported each day (year 1947)in the New York Times online archive.
May 16th: 1; May 17th: 1; May 18th: 1; May 19th: 1; May 20th: 3; May 21st: 1; May 22nd: 2; May 23rd: 0; May 24th: 1; May 25th: 0; May 26th: 1; May 27th: 0; 28th May: 0; 29th May: 0
So nothing out of the ordinary so far (apart from perhaps 3 accidents on May 20th). A number of run of the mill minor incidents. Remember at this point that I have alleged (more information to follow) that the first attempt to shoot down a saucer was probably made on 29th May, 1947! Note that crashes on May 29th will be reported in newspapers on June 30th.
May 30th: 5 (deaths 107, further 3 crashes reported in other sources); May 31st: 5 (59 deaths inc largest US commercial air disaster to that date); June 1st: 5 (10 deaths); June 2nd: 5 (6 deaths);
So we have a huge peak in deaths from air accidents starting on June 29th, 1949.
At this point we see a sudden absence of reports in the New York Times archive. There now appears to be almost no US military accidents reported at all which seems a little unusual.
Sorry, I had a feeling there would be confusion about the dates. Although the reports appeared in the newspaper the following day (on May 30th) the events actually took place on May 29th. June 30th is a typo and should read May 30th. A million apologies. Obviously the newspapers are printed during the night so reports appear the following day.
Originally posted by N3k9Ni
Hold the phone, there. There's something wrong with your dates.
I can see how you may think that is relevant to UFO sightings. However, the rumours I am discussing here are regarding objects that were associate with specifically missiles rather than nukes. That is not to say that the presence of nukes has nothing to do with sightings of course.
Originally posted by stirling
I think that you must take into account the many atomic weapons tests as well in your researxh.
These explosions always cause two vortexes that are at antipodes to each other.
I will have to find the time to hunt down some of the data I have lost. Yes there were some suspect cases. You have no idea how frustrating it is to lose data. This will teach me a lesson about backing up data.
Originally posted by Flyinghaggis
Can you list any specific crashes related to UFOs, officially or unofficially, and what were the circumstances?
Yes, it is partly the work of other investigators that I am drawing on here. I had collected more evidence as I said. I wouldn't draw on a novel though in all honesty.
Originally posted by ecoparity
No offense but the theory of retaliation by UFOs for shooting incidents has already been put forth by investigators.
Shoot Them Down - Frank Feschino is an entire novel written on the subject.
Well spotted. I will try to find the cases of this happening again but I have seen the reports. Time is always such a precious resource but I will do my best.
Originally posted by ecoparity
it IS a compelling theory. For a while planes in the US were failing to take off as if the rules of flight no longer applied. Once the orders to the military were changed the crashes stopped.
Indeed. Of course they would have attempted to intercept UFOs if they were buzzing the most sensitive military activities in the world. It defies logic to suggest they wouldn't do that in my opinion. The military have been shown to have lied about that fact consistently.
Originally posted by weirdguy
In 1947 the US had just come out of a world war and was just entering the cold war.
Those damn commies had captured nazi scientists and engineers, nazi tech and
were on the verge of completing there own A-bomb, which was tested in 1949.
I think the US would have would have shot down Santa during that period. If ufo's
were buzzing about it would have been a priority to have security in the sky's
and they would have been intercepted.
Ufology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufology - Cached Media hype in the late 1940s and early 1950s following the Arnold sighting brought ..... It concluded unanimously that the UFO sightings posed no direct threat to ...
Originally posted by Regenstorm
Retaliation for what?
Operation High Jump?
A soon as you accept the Nazi UFOs being real, all things starts to make sense.
Retaliation for what? Operation High Jump? A soon as you accept the Nazi UFOs being real, all things starts to make sense.