I Am a Straight, Married Christian Male in Support of Gay Marriage

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posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Heartisblack
I'd take the loving friendly gay person, over the abusive two parent home but hey ? That's just me, besides I'm not Christian does my opinion count ?


I hear that argument all the time
I don't get it

it's like you balance it out like:

"abusive straight parents vs. happy gay couple"

that's insane, i'm so sorry you had an abusive home but not every home is abusive

People argue that a gay dude is the same a straight guy
so what? only straight guys can lose their tempers?




posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by windword
You posted a thread comdemning abortion, yet you would deny 2 loving women the ability to adopt? Hypocitical much?????

I'm not denying anyone anything, i'm not the federal govt.
this is just a friendly exchange of thoughts

wow at the anger



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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I used to believe that a kid with two gay parents was a bad thing, but then I witnessed it first hand with some friends mutual friends then my opinion changed. I think it's better than alot of single parent upbringing.

As far as the marriage question in regards to Christianity, it really makes no sense. The Bible, which I believe is nothing more than the biggest lie ever told, is pretty clear about homosexuality. You can't supposedly believe in something, but completely ignore a part of that belief system. You either buy it all, or don't. ~SheopleNation



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Angry gay, mad that the world does not agree with you. Why cant you except the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your behavior.? I am Russian Orthodox and i am so glad we do not except this kind of crazy nonsense. America is racing to the finish with this type of BS, its turning into a society where anything goes just like ancient Rome.


First of all it's accept. Secondly, you seem pretty angry yourself. I think the majority of people in the Western World are actually in support of gay marriage. Let me ask you this, how does it hurt you in any way?



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by discharged77

Originally posted by spw184


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Angry gay, mad that the world does not agree with you. Why cant you except the fact that not everyone is going to agree with your behavior.? I am Russian Orthodox and i am so glad we do not except this kind of crazy nonsense. America is racing to the finish with this type of BS, its turning into a society where anything goes just like ancient Rome.

Can you tell me what an:
African Elephant
Brown Bear
Brown Rat
Buffalo
African Lion
Caribou
Cat (domestic)
Cheetah
Common Dolphin
Orca
Common Marmoset
Common Raccoon
Dog (domestic)
European Bison
and a Human

All have in common?



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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RO 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

RO 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

RO 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.



You might be married, you might be straight, but you are not a christian. If you want to have Jesus Christ as your saviour then you need to repent.


From Christ himself:

MK 7:20 He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him `unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man `unclean.' "

The Ancient Greek word used here for sexual immorality is 'porneia' (πορνεία). This covers all sexual perversion outside of marriage.


We all fall short of the glory of God and we are all sinners. We all need the grace of God but please do not dilute the message of Christ. I write this out of love, not to cause a quarrel but rather to correct you so that you do not mislead others.



The marriage approved by God is between a man and a women.

GE 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
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posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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My buddy's lesbian neighbors caught him dating more than 1 woman at a time and told on him. Does that count? It hurt him, I promise!


Also, it is very icky, and my ick-tolerance is pretty low.


You pose a great question, who does it hurt? Well, back in the day, it meant the couple would not reproduce new little taxpayers and soldiers. These days, I don't think procreation is such a problem. Gay couples are just as prolific as couples on the pill, so there is no logical reason to give any preference to a heterosexual couple.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by BrawleR
Why would the girl feel uncomfortable bringing it up to her parents if they have a very open loving relationship and trust is there? You don't think a lesbian couple can teach a kid to shave?


Little boys "Girlss?? ewwwwww!"

Little girls "Boys?? Ewwwwwww"

they are kids not adults, you are thinking too logical
kids don't think like that

a loving relationship and truth is there


come on
a man shows his son how to shave his face
a girl wouldnt' want to talk to a man about periods



from what i know about gay men, they have many many more women friends than straight guys, lol!!

i'm sure they could call on 1 or 2 to explain some awkward stuff to a young daughter if need be.

same with lesbians.
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to the op,

the gay marriage issue is all about being legal.



being married has tax advantages and inheritance and insurance perks that unmarried couples don't

get.

it is not a religious thing for most of them at all.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Ok, lets play with the words, I didn't say he said Brad Pitt is hot, I didn't say Brad Pitt is hot neither, I said I don't find him attractive, I said A.Jolie is hot.

Read again my first post.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia



But a baby needs a father figure and a mother figure




This is a ridiculous argument..i was raised without a father and everything was normal...and i turned out to be a good person with no traumas.















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posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by XplanetX
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You might be married, you might be straight, but you are not a christian. If you want to have Jesus Christ as your saviour then you need to repent.



Oh no you didnt! Who are YOU to tell US if we are christian or not? I go to church every sunday, sing every song, take communion, pray every prayer, go to (Most) the outside church activities, and your saying im not christian? Im more "Guilty" than he is, cuz I AM gay. I think we need to leave the whole "Do this or go to hell" Stuff for god to decide? Mm'K?



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Jefferson said it best in my opinion, on a different topic:

But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.


I don't care to see the government involved one way or the other, and my personal views aside, what other people want to do has nothing to do with me - as long as no one is forcing me to marry anyone I don't want to, no harm, no foul.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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My buddy's lesbian neighbors caught him dating more than 1 woman at a time and told on him. Does that count? It hurt him, I promise!


We must ban gay marriage to protect ourselves from women's wrath! I'm swayed!




Also, it is very icky, and my ick-tolerance is pretty low.







Well, back in the day, it meant the couple would not reproduce new little taxpayers and soldiers. These days, I don't think procreation is such a problem. Gay couples are just as prolific as couples on the pill, so there is no logical reason to give any preference to a heterosexual couple.


I always wondered if the Bible included the 'no gays stuff' because the whole point back then was procreation.

I always enjoy your posts.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by spw184

Originally posted by XplanetX
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You might be married, you might be straight, but you are not a christian. If you want to have Jesus Christ as your saviour then you need to repent.



Oh no you didnt! Who are YOU to tell US if we are christian or not? I go to church every sunday, sing every song, take communion, pray every prayer, go to (Most) the outside church activities, and your saying im not christian? Im more "Guilty" than he is, cuz I AM gay. I think we need to leave the whole "Do this or go to hell" Stuff for god to decide? Mm'K?





2TI 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by spw184

Originally posted by XplanetX
reply to post by The Old American
 


You might be married, you might be straight, but you are not a christian. If you want to have Jesus Christ as your saviour then you need to repent.



Oh no you didnt! Who are YOU to tell US if we are christian or not? I go to church every sunday, sing every song, take communion, pray every prayer, go to (Most) the outside church activities, and your saying im not christian? Im more "Guilty" than he is, cuz I AM gay. I think we need to leave the whole "Do this or go to hell" Stuff for god to decide? Mm'K?





2TI 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



Even the devil can cite scripture to fit his needs. Try that quote on for size big guy.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Oh no you didnt! Who are YOU to tell US if we are christian or not? I go to church every sunday, sing every song, take communion, pray every prayer, go to (Most) the outside church activities, and your saying im not christian? Im more "Guilty" than he is, cuz I AM gay. I think we need to leave the whole "Do this or go to hell" Stuff for god to decide? Mm'K?


Actually, it has nothing to do with being straight or gay, and I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but in the US, the vast majority of people who call themselves by that name are not in fact Christians. The sad truth is, in the US, most people think "religious" means "Christian." Christian means you accept Christ as infallible, and the only way to the Father, per his own words. This means condemning every other religion to hell and most US "Christians" are not that fanatical in their belief.

Truth-be-told, I admire the fanatics more than the moderates. If one is going to have a Holy Book, and name their God, then they need to be devout and steadfast.

Like I said before, I don't care who is or isn't gay, and I don't care if they get married or not, but I do get pretty perturbed at all the religious labels people assign to themselves without understanding what it means.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Sorry about the spelling, since english is my second language i think i do very good. It does not hurt me at all, it is not moral for marriage, atheist, Marxist, liberal garbage. The gay agenda goes deeper than marriage, if you dont think so you are blind.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by spw184

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by spw184

Originally posted by XplanetX
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You might be married, you might be straight, but you are not a christian. If you want to have Jesus Christ as your saviour then you need to repent.



Oh no you didnt! Who are YOU to tell US if we are christian or not? I go to church every sunday, sing every song, take communion, pray every prayer, go to (Most) the outside church activities, and your saying im not christian? Im more "Guilty" than he is, cuz I AM gay. I think we need to leave the whole "Do this or go to hell" Stuff for god to decide? Mm'K?





2TI 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



Even the devil can cite scripture to fit his needs. Try that quote on for size big guy.



Absolutely he can and he does so out of context in the hope that he can mislead people. The OP has claimed that the OT scripture has been used out of context and God now approves of gay marriage. Nothing could be further from the truth.


MT 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Oh no you didnt! Who are YOU to tell US if we are christian or not? I go to church every sunday, sing every song, take communion, pray every prayer, go to (Most) the outside church activities, and your saying im not christian? Im more "Guilty" than he is, cuz I AM gay. I think we need to leave the whole "Do this or go to hell" Stuff for god to decide? Mm'K?


Actually, it has nothing to do with being straight or gay, and I don't know if you are a Christian or not, but in the US, the vast majority of people who call themselves by that name are not in fact Christians. The sad truth is, in the US, most people think "religious" means "Christian." Christian means you accept Christ as infallible, and the only way to the Father, per his own words. This means condemning every other religion to hell and most US "Christians" are not that fanatical in their belief.

Truth-be-told, I admire the fanatics more than the moderates. If one is going to have a Holy Book, and name their God, then they need to be devout and steadfast.

Like I said before, I don't care who is or isn't gay, and I don't care if they get married or not, but I do get pretty perturbed at all the religious labels people assign to themselves without understanding what it means.


Yeah your right, I should prolly just go more specific and call myself catholic. and as far as people who think all religons = christianity, they're retards. 'Nuff said.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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why should the relationship, marriage and/or legally-binding contractual agreement between consenting adults ever enter into or be of ANY damn concern, interest or what have you in a legislative sense.(?)

it's akin to the state, union, nation or governance saying that i can't do bidness with so and so cuz they [the state] can't seem to get that 'separation of church and state' shyte quite right yet. (?)



similar to the OP ... i'm a latter 40s married male, parent of three ... in support of equality for all and actual,true separation of church and state.

oil and water don't mix. never have.





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