I Am a Straight, Married Christian Male in Support of Gay Marriage

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survive

Survive what? Extermination by atheist communists? hahaha you reveal your thoughts. Just Christians and muslims combined worldwide is estimated at 3.6 billion people. Hinduism-900 million. Good look with your campaign of eliminating them.
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As long as we're getting god into this.

Dear Pat Robertson:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted fan,
Jim

Originally posted by Carseller4
When white people voted for Obama it was because of what some people called "White Guilt."

Could this be a form of "Straight Guilt?"

I'm very concerned about this "Guilt" trend. Look what we got with Obama.

Well said. The Christians have plenty to be guilty for, just look at the insane dogma, and whether it would be tolerated in countries like Sweden, UK or even the most part of America.

Saying your a non-homophobic Christian, is like saying your a non-racist Nazi. It's just a waste of time.

You're either a vague Christian, or a consistent homophobic Christian, otherwise, the scripture might as well be cherry-picked,

Originally posted by Maslo
So much arguing about a complete non-issue. I see no reason why a paper from government is in any way needed for marriage. Separation of marriage and state is what we need, that would solve gay marriage and polygamy debates overnight.

Maslo, did you believe they don't have genuine reasons for wanting it? I could be wrong, but I think that trend may have started when their partners were in hospital dying and they had no rights. I can understand that. From a legal issue, hospitals have a responsibility. Also, there is the issue of the probate court in the death of a partner. Of course they can still have legal wills, but a spouse automatically gets a third of the estate. Why let the State have it?
I don't even have a liberal mindset, but from a purely humanitarian mind, it makes sense.
The religious/spiritual/social outlook though is different. If we force the Church to accept that which is already traditonally considered bereft of spiritual wisdom, then it becomes the State forcing the Church. Do we want to go there? Likewise, if we force Christian taxpayers to subsidize that institution or abortion for that matter, we are crossing the boundaries of State religion.

Homosexuality, as such..just bothers me on a personal level. I do not think I will ever feel comfortable with the idea of it.
However, that is my OPINION. I am entitled to it. I am entitled to feel uncomfortable about the thought of physical relations between two people of the same gender. That does not make me an idiot, or unevolved, or "homophobic", or bigoted. My morals are not based on religious backings. My view really stems from the fact that, although I am 33 years old, I am deeply old-fashioned, and quite honestly..I don't really want to hear about the sex life of anyone, straight or gay.

However, along these lines, I see nothing wrong with gay marriage. I fully support the right of two individuals, fully consenting, to marry each other. As long as no one is hurting an innocent party, then if you want to marry a consenting palm tree, then go for it. Who am I to decide what is good for another person?

As far as adoption goes, I really feel that the best home for any child that is needing a home is one in which they will be LOVED. Whether that is a traditional Mom and Dad, or Mom and Mom or Dad and Dad..it is not as important as the need for dedicated parental love.

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Sound's like you aren't a real Christian and don't follow the Bible very well. Spreading a false Gospel is a sin, hope you know that.

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what about all the straight people out there who have been bashed for many years now for believing in "duality of the sexes"

they are not going around bashing gay people..they just think male and female is scientific fact of life and feel uncomfortable there is a small minority of agenda-based people elevating this cause?

surely we got more to worry about

imagine if all the gay and abortion lefties and righties put their minds to something REAL

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The OT is filled with stories wherein an act of defiance against the laws of God can result in death or blindness. Did you know that even touching the ark of the covenenant carried the death penalty as well

The Ark of the Covenant was an embodiment of God's presence with the Israelites. The atonement cover (or "mercy seat") that covered the ark was God's throne (2 Sam 6:2) and God's presence was above it (Lev 16:2); it was also the place where God met Moses and gave him commands (Ex 25:22). If someone approached the ark, they would effectively be in God's presence - a sinner standing before a holy God who does not tolerate evil (Ps 5:4-6) - and would die as a result of their sins

www.rationalchristianity.net...

The point of the embodiment of Jesus as the forgiveness of God is the epitomy of what Christianity is about, not just tolerating everyone for whatever reason. Jesus represents the Mercy of the Law, and forgiveness of sins, but it doesn't mean you have no responsibility to uphold the law.
So what I am saying is that in the OT the Law would be instantaneous, and in the NT we have Mercy and intercession while we get our act together.

Originally posted by tigermountain
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You are a out of line saying that , how dare you even pretend to speak in the name of the Lord. Who in this world tells you that you are right and they are wrong. I bet you masturbate and have impure thoughts. I bet you have seen pornographic material, for all we know you are into some odd kinds of sexual behaviour. Now imagine we presumed all these things about you in the name of god. Honestly bro, ask yourself if god did exist and he loves us all then why are gay people on this earth, even in small tribes throughout the world that have had no exposure to the west or the bible, practice homosexuality. It is in your genetics , even if it isn't, it's a choice and you are not holier than thou.Do you think your Jesus would have turned his back on Gay people ? Really? Do you really? Think about it. Oh and as you say preacher....GOD BLESS in his name of course. Because I say so.

No, but stopping a stoning does not equate with ignoring the Law, it equates with the Mercy of the Law, which forgiveness is.

Originally posted by SuperTripps
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what about all the straight people out there who have been bashed for many years now for believing in "duality of the sexes"

they are not going around bashing gay people..they just think male and female is scientific fact of life and feel uncomfortable there is a small minority of agenda-based people elevating this cause?

surely we got more to worry about

imagine if all the gay and abortion lefties and righties put their minds to something REAL

Thank you I agree 100%

Originally posted by subject x

Originally posted by getreadyalready
You're right, but in the current scenario, there can be a "significant other" that is a lifelong partner, that has no say-so in the matter.

True. This is ridiculous. The significant other, especially a life-long partner, should get the say-so, married or not. Anything less is discrimination, and if they want to legislate the issue, it should be done to empower the non-married couple, of whatever persuasion.

Or, as a novel concept- all family members, significant others, and physicians get together and work it out.
I realise that there would be battles, feuds, etc. involved at times, but there already are in many cases, so there would be no difference, as far as I can see.

Not necessarily. Geez if I was dating someone and fell ill, do I owe that person the right to pull lthe plug on me? I don't think so. Only if it is in writing as a legal document, which is what the end-of-life document is for.

Problems for gay's :

ORAL SEX Homosexuals fellate almost all of their sexual contacts (and ingest semen from about half of these). Semen contains many of the germs carried in the blood. Because of this, gays who practice oral sex verge on consuming raw human blood, with all its medical risks. Since the penis often has tiny lesions (and often will have been in unsanitary places such as a rectum), individuals so involved may become infected with hepatitis A or gonorrhea (and even HIV and hepatitis B). Since many contacts occur between strangers (70% of gays estimated that they had had sex only once with over half of their partners17,27), and gays average somewhere between 106 and 1105 different partners/year, the potential for infection is considerable.

RECTAL SEX According to "Family Research Institute of Colorado", Surveys indicate that about 90% of gays have engaged in rectal intercourse, and about two-thirds do it regularly. In a 6-month long study of daily sexual diaries,3 gays averaged 110 sex partners and 68 rectal encounters a year.

Rectal sex is dangerous. During rectal intercourse the rectum becomes a mixing bowl for 1) saliva and its germs and/or an artificial lubricant, 2) the recipient's own feces, 3) whatever germs, infections or substances the penis has on it, and 4) the seminal fluid of the inserter. Since sperm readily penetrate the rectal wall (which is only one cell thick) causing immunologic damage, and tearing or bruising of the anal wall is very common during anal/penile sex, these substances gain almost direct access to the blood stream. Unlike heterosexual intercourse (in which sperm cannot penetrate the multilayered vagina and no feces are present),7 rectal intercourse is probably the most sexually efficient way to spread hepatitis B, HIV syphilis and a host of other blood-borne diseases.

Tearing or ripping of the anal wall is especially likely with "fisting," where the hand and arm is inserted into the rectum. It is also common when "toys" are employed (homosexual lingo for objects which are inserted into the rectum--bottles, carrots, even gerbils8). The risk of contamination and/or having to wear a colostomy bag from such "sport" is very real. Fisting was apparently so rare in Kinsey's time that he didn't think to talk about it. By 1977, well over a third of gays admitted to doing it. The rectum was not designed to accommodate the fist, and those who do so can find themselves consigned to diapers for life.

FECAL SEX About 80% of gays (see Table) admit to licking and/or inserting their tongues into the anus of partners and thus ingesting medically significant amounts of feces. Those who eat or wallow in it are probably at even greater risk. In the diary study,5 70% of the gays had engaged in this activity--half regularly over 6 months. Result? --the "annual incidence of hepatitis A in...homosexual men was 22 percent, whereas no heterosexual men acquired hepatitis A." In 1992,26 it was noted that the proportion of London gays engaging in oral/anal sex had not declined since 1984.

While the body has defenses against fecal germs, exposure to the fecal discharge of dozens of strangers each year is extremely unhealthy. Ingestion of human waste is the major route of contracting hepatitis A and the enteric parasites collectively known as the Gay Bowel Syndrome. Consumption of feces has also been implicated in the transmission of typhoid fever,9 herpes, and cancer.27 About 10% of gays have eaten or played with [e.g., enemas, wallowing in feces]. The San Francisco Department of Public Health saw 75,000 patients per year, of whom 70 to 80 per cent are homosexual men....An average of 10 per cent of all patients and asymptomatic contacts reported...because of positive fecal samples or cultures for amoeba, giardia, and shigella infections were employed as food handlers in public establishments; almost 5 per cent of those with hepatitis A were similarly employed."10 In 1976, a rare airborne scarlet fever broke out among gays and just missed sweeping through San Francisco.10 The U.S. Centers for Disease Control reported that 29% of the hepatitis A cases in Denver, 66% in New York, 50% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal and 26% in Melbourne in the first six months of 1991 were among gays.11 A 1982 study "suggested that some transmission from the homosexual group to the general population may have occurred."12

URINE SEX About 10% of Kinsey's gays reported having engaged in "golden showers" [drinking or being splashed with urine]. In the largest survey of gays ever conducted,13 23% admitted to urine-sex. In the largest random survey of gays,6 29% reported urine-sex. In a San Francisco study of 655 gays,14 only 24% claimed to have been monogamous in the past year. Of these monogamous gays, 5% drank urine, 7% practiced "fisting," 33% ingested feces via anal/oral contact, 53% swallowed semen, and 59% received semen in their rectum during the previous month.

Goodluck & stay "HAPPY" !

Originally posted by 200457

Originally posted by manticorex5
sorry but i despite people who judge other people based on their sexuality, you have no rights to judge anyone and just because "religion" says is wrong or just because you have a really close mind, you can't be against gay people or the rights that they deserve, they are people too and yes there's bad gay people but there's a lot of straight people who are bad too, a person you love and care about could be gay and you can't change the way you think about them just because they have another preference, it's really stupid and immature, gay people are no different than straight ones.

I'll point out the irony here. You hate people that hate gay people just because they hate gay people?

Well sir, I hate you for hating people who hate gay people.

omg you're so edgy, you know hating on gay people is just wrong no matter how you see it and people who hate on gay people and treat them like garbage are for me as guilt as someone who killed or raped someone, yeah the killers are people too so you're just gonna ignore what they do just because they are people? of course no, you will hate they actions and feel disgusted.

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spw184 Sexy bacon

Member Registered: 8/15/2011 Location: Reno nevada Mood: EPICC Member is offline. P 134 F 10 S 91 W 0.88 K 11 member posted on 9/6/2011 @ 07:53 PM this post reply to post by ModernAcademia > Im gay and i know people who have fully functioning families with two same sex parents. I myself plan to adopt, that is after i find a boyfriend that lasts for more than two years o.e

I Congratulate you for your honesty and to have at least a brain on your head, before thinking about starting a Family. Many people do not take that into consideration anymore. Why can you not find a boyfriend that lasts more than two years? Whether I agree or disagree with your lifestyle is not my concern. Maybe time to re-evauluate were you are meeting people? Goes for both sexes. Good Luck.

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Why is it that some christians mix religion with sexual orientation? They have nothing to do with each other IMO. I'm not gay nor am I religious but I do have christan and gay friends. And we all agree that it is left to the poeple themselves if they want to get married. There shouldn't be any laws against it and the government shouldn't even think of intervening. It has nothing to do with them either. All the government and religious leader want is controle and that is why we have these rediculous debates

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OMG what an idiot, all those things you mentioned in your post straight people do to, oral sex, anal sex, golden showers etc.. watch most porn and these are in them, also what does it matter what gay people do in the privacy of their own home, they are both consenting adults not hurting anyone, we get a very short life and should be able to live it how they want. If it comes down to religion they will be judged by god on the day of reckoning, if it is just you don'y like it, dig deeper and ask yourself why, how is affecting you.

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i think you've just become a massive massive bender...

just joking!

welcome to the 21st Century..

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Ok let's play that out....should Christians tolerate pedophiles just because they are human and make mistakes and do terrible things to children, or are you going to justify that? This is the problem with religious humanism. It replaces God with the human moral relativity.

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Truth hurt's...You and others alike might redicule me in your head!! but one day, you'll see!!