posted on Sep, 7 2011 @ 09:13 PM
Originally posted by skydog801
reply to post by Kingalbrect79
what would you say if I were to offer you a way to prove to yourself that the spiritual and God are real?
Please look at a reply that I posted in the thread "what do you believe". in it is the way I found and it worked for me. hope you give it a try,
Ok, i'll attempt to answer this as simply as I can and without seeming too forward. (It is difficult with no emotion able to be conveyed through
I read your post, and for the most part it is interpretation of dreams, astral projection, visions, whatever that has convinced you of what you
probably were already leaning towards in the first place. I make no mention of what your life is like, your personal experiences and your life
currently other than to say that I take everything you said with a grain of salt.
From a logical standpoint, I have to accept what I can see, hear, touch and from everything you posted, personal experiences are just not proof of a
magical creator. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that what you experienced is real to you, but it is not real to me. In that respect
I must stand by my position and deny your claims, just as all other theists that god is in fact not real until some form of proof that is tangible,
testable and verifiable by others is provided.
I have tried astral projection before and OOBE's, but I just can't seem to get it. The closest I've come to it is the feeling of complete numbness
with a pulling sensation at the front of my chest as if I'm lifting from inside my body and stopping at my sternum, like centrifugal force on water
in a jug.
It has long been the standard theist argument for "personal experience/personal relationship = god is real," but i'm afraid I just can't bow down
to ideas that have no merit. I hope you understand my position, and while your story is entertaining and intriguing for what it is, (I like astral
stories) I see no validity in your claims at this time.
Thanks for the suggestions though.