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New Pa. 9/11 video shows smoke after Flight 93 crash

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posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by buster2010

He said that the shock-wave shook his house? Almost six miles away no way possible. All of the trees would have deadened the shock-wave long before it got to his house. I've seen quite a few plane crashes and fight 93 shows no evidence of crashing that plane was shot down. There is no way that plane crashed like they say and it leave practically no debris behind.


The shock waye that shook his house would be the one that traveled through the ground. The sound would have reached him a short time later.


There's only one way he could have felt the shock wave and that is the plane was blown up in mid air. There has been quite a few crashes at the airport that is only a couple of miles from my place and I have never felt a shock wave through the ground. A mid air explosion is the only way a shock wave could be felt at that distance. A plane crashing simply would not create enough force.




posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Sphota
1. Guy is dead (not necessarily suspicious, but convenient)
2. His family decided to release the video right before the 10th anniversary (happy coincidence, just found it in the attic?)
3. His family wishes to remain anonymous (You've got to be kidding me, people post things all day long and you don't even need to be doing it to get your 15 minutes, it's to make the source verifiable)

1. One article said he "suddenly died." That has an element of suspicion to it.
2. I know, 10 years later for a significant piece of history for the "crash" with the least amount of coverage.
3. Weird, they've been named in the news article.


the voice of Dave Berkebile on the video.

Berkebile, who died suddenly earlier this year, shot the video from the porch of his home a few miles from where the plane when down. It was a matter-of-fact description of history in the making.

Cathy Berkebile now lives out of state. In a phone interview, she recalled the morning of the crash.

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com...



Well, we all know the official story does not seem to want to explain just why the whole plane disintegrated

The official story says most of it buried underground. But we all know that is



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Sphota
So, I found out about this video on Fox Nation. I like to go there because the people are crazy. Anyway, I saw the story and watched the video and this is my conclusion:

1. Guy is dead (not necessarily suspicious, but convenient)
2. His family decided to release the video right before the 10th anniversary (happy coincidence, just found it in the attic?)
3. His family wishes to remain anonymous (You've got to be kidding me, people post things all day long and you don't even need to be doing it to get your 15 minutes, it's to make the source verifiable)

About the video specifically: The guy says "a bomb exploded on board". Well, we all know the official story does not seem to want to explain just why the whole plane disintegrated (yet they still found some journal of one of the terrorists) when that does not happen from your run of the mill jet crash. The guy says he heard (though it's not clear if that was on the ham radio) a big explosion. He said the whole house shook 15 miles away. When does a plane crash make a shock wave like that? Then again, this wasn't a plane crash at all was it.

See, here's the thing, you don't have to make this some opaque mystery, but the problem is that what they do want to tell us does not make any sense and/or is unprecedented (and so many unprecedented incidents in one day is hard to swallow). Both stories are conspiracies because more than one person was involved in a secretive plot. The problem is that the official conspiracy is incoherent and riddled with firsts.

One more thing about the FOX nation page (and you can go see it if you want) is that there is a poster responding angrily to another who was flagged for review, so I couldn't see what he said. However, I'm going to assume it was about a plane not hitting the pentagon based on the angry responses. One poster, a certain HoosierVet, says:

I had a collegue on that plane. A friend of mine was turning off exit 1 of the Shirley Highway and saw the plane coming in. He watched the plane hit in his rear view mirror while passing Arlington National Cemetary. You can go to heII.......


So, either this guy is a liar who feels entitled to make things up because of his passion about the OS or his need to feel important and connected to the events - OR (and I'm leaning this way)

This is a calculated information manipulation campaign in the running up to the 10th anniversary by one of the many agencies currently running those multiple personality response programs on online forums that we've heard so much about recently documented in the news.

-This all smells. All of it. And honestly, I've always been a bit dispassionate about 9/11, concerned more about the wars it spawned and social issues related or not. But I have to say, it's just too convenient. To sum up:


A family, who wishes to remain anonymous, releases a video nearly 10 years to the day, filmed by their deceased relative, who filmed the smoke trail from the plane in PA that crashed into a million tiny pieces (except for some papers written by one of the terrorists) and it was brought down by passengers in mid air, yet the man filming says the bomb blew it up in the air.


I feel like I'm living in some crazy alternate universe.


Great post! The OSers would have us buy co-incidence upon oddity upon
peculiarity upon downright impossibility.
People need to get back to trusting their gut, over the lying, complicit MSM.
I haven't heard one good reason why the video in the OP isn't (deliberate
poor quality) GCI.

Video Fakery has been proven to have played a huge roll in 9/11.
People need to take the time.
www.septemberclues.info

To see the extents of media fakery in major world attacks and events,
study www.cluesforum.info

Are you prepared to up-end your crazy alternate universe?
(Only to expose an even crazier one, I guess...but much closer to reality).
See You on the other side???



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Of couse it showed smoke...it was shot down.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by buster2010

He said that the shock-wave shook his house? Almost six miles away no way possible. All of the trees would have deadened the shock-wave long before it got to his house. I've seen quite a few plane crashes and fight 93 shows no evidence of crashing that plane was shot down. There is no way that plane crashed like they say and it leave practically no debris behind.


The shock waye that shook his house would be the one that traveled through the ground. The sound would have reached him a short time later.


There's only one way he could have felt the shock wave and that is the plane was blown up in mid air. There has been quite a few crashes at the airport that is only a couple of miles from my place and I have never felt a shock wave through the ground. A mid air explosion is the only way a shock wave could be felt at that distance. A plane crashing simply would not create enough force.


I live about 70 miles from the cape when a shuttle launches, about 3 minuets later you can feel the vibration of the launch. This is transmitted through the ground. You cant hear it to far away, but you can feel it.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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I was hoping my thread would come alive after dark!

The man saying he felt the shockwave from the crash was very strange to me as well. I don't have any experience in being any where near a plane crash, but it seems to me the "sound" of a plane crashing or exploding mid air would be just that, sound. Also in some footage of other plane crashes I watched on you tube, they all had that fire/black smoke look to them. In this man's video it looks more like a small brush fire from a distance.

So many more people have posted since I wrote this, I can't keep up!
edit on 6-9-2011 by lilowl53 because: Shutting up now! Please continue!



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by RealTalk
reply to post by lilowl53
 

Of couse it showed smoke...it was shot down.

Nothing was shot down, because nothing crashed.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by RealTalk
reply to post by lilowl53
 

Of couse it showed smoke...it was shot down.

Nothing was shot down, because nothing crashed.


Odd the witnesses say a plane crashed there. It's only Truthers that say nothing crashed.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne
Odd the witnesses say a plane crashed there. It's only Truthers that say nothing crashed.

You mean all the few witnesses who described the angle the "plane" went down that greatly differed from the official story angle and that only person to reportedly see it actually impact the ground not describing it as upside down or on its side? Those witnesses?


PS - still waiting for your answer on this: www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 6-9-2011 by ATH911 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by RealTalk
reply to post by lilowl53
 

Of couse it showed smoke...it was shot down.

Nothing was shot down, because nothing crashed.


Odd the witnesses say a plane crashed there. It's only Truthers that say nothing crashed.


sources please.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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Ok ATH911 my turn to ask you a questions. In the photo below I have the laid out the tip vortices at a 40deg angle in blue. I have marked the direction of their rotation ( inverted positive G's) with black arrows. And the down wind path they would drift with red lines.

In a normal (non inverted) crash the vortices push the fire down and spreads it outward.

What do you think the vortices would do in this situation when they drifted through the fire ball ?




posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Hardstepah

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by RealTalk
reply to post by lilowl53
 

Of couse it showed smoke...it was shot down.

Nothing was shot down, because nothing crashed.


Odd the witnesses say a plane crashed there. It's only Truthers that say nothing crashed.


sources please.


Slimy Truther Site



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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reply to post by waypastvne
 

What's your point and how does it relate to the topic?



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by waypastvne
Odd the witnesses say a plane crashed there. It's only Truthers that say nothing crashed.

You mean all the few witnesses who described the angle the "plane" went down that greatly differed from the official story angle and that only person to reportedly see it actually impact the ground not describing it as upside down or on its side? Those witnesses?


PS - still waiting for your answer on this: www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 6-9-2011 by ATH911 because: (no reason given)



Yes all of those whiteness that said they saw a plane crash. Yes, those are the ones.

To answer your question That photo was taken from a german site. It's position was more accurate than killtown's.

Why did killtown Leave out the 580 mph velocity of the fuel when he did his "investigation" ?



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Yes all of those whiteness that said they saw a plane crash. Yes, those are the ones.

Well they all contradict the official story and most DIDN'T see it crash. Most lost sight of it before it supposedly crashed.


To answer your question That photo was taken from a german site. It's position was more accurate than killtown's.

Ah, so we just have to take your word that where you have the base of the plume is accurate?
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posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Well, I decided to look into it further. Apparently 5.74 mile away wasn't where the shock wave stopped. I find it a little amazing that employees in a warehouse 10 miles away felt their building shake from the explosion/impact. Source -www.post-gazette.com...

Also, a cottage had its doors, windows, and garage door blown off by the explosion. The Cottage was about 1000 ft away from the point of impact. Source - www.post-gazette.com...
A witness, Hoover, said it looked like a tornado had hit his house.


Wreckage was still burning and emergency workers were still speeding to the scene when Hoover neared his house. While it was still standing, every window and door had been blown off and obliterated, its ceilings and floor tiles had been blasted loose and much of the interior was wrecked. "It looked like what you see after a tornado or hurricane goes through -- a total ruin," he said. "I was just so thankful that it didn't stay in the air another few seconds and hit [the nearby towns of] Lambertsville or Shanksville."
Source - www.post-gazette.com...

In order to break in a window, a shock wave needs to be around 1 psi. However, due to it ripping off a garage door and blowing out doors, it sounds closer to 2 psi. Here are the coordinates to the point of impact: 40.0509,-78.90458 and here's the site I used: meyerweb.com...



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911
reply to post by waypastvne
 

What's your point and how does it relate to the topic?


It's kinda the answer to the age old truther question " why isn't the grass burnt ?"

Can you tell me what forces would be exerted on an inverted aircraft, and how these would differ from the forces on a non inverted aircraft,t same angle, same speed ?



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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WE also have to take your word for it, that it's not in the right place.

Why did killtown Leave out the 580 mph velocity of the fuel when he did his "investigation" ?

Still waiting for an answer.

And why did he leave out the tip vortices drifting through the fire ball ? Airplanes do make vortices you know.





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posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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I will go to my grave absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that flight 93 was shot down by f16s on Cheyney's order (pronounced Chee-nee btw according to sen Allan simpson). And here's why:

On the morning of 911 I was at work at msnbc studios at 400 N Capitol st washing dc. That's where Hardball with Chris Matthews is taped. Information was coming in from all over including our new York studio and from our whitehouse correspondant.

Before the towers fell we got word there was an unresponsive plane on the east coast. Not long after, word came from the whitehouse that Cheyney had given the order to shoot it down. Nobody was surprised. We had a crew shooting at the whitehouse that morning that saw the jet which went on to the pentagon, fly very low over the wh.

Soon after, word came a plane was shot down. It seemed like five minutes later, a woman was in the studio completely hysterical claiming to be the wife of one of the passengers on flight 93. The producers were trying to decide whether or not to put her on air. She wanted Dick's head on a platter saying he was a cold blooded murderer no different than the terrorists.

A couple of guys with dark suits and IFB earpieces came in and escorted her away. I figured she was dead meat. To my absolute amazement, she was back a couple hours later looking like she just got a fat shot of Demerol and she had the most, to me, ridiculous story of how her husband and some other passengers had overpowered the hijackers and so on.

I had thought I had seen the best spin doctors in the business appearing on chris' show and on Fox News located on the fifth floor of the same building where I filled in from time to time. But this whopper took the cake. I wasn't the only person to smell a rat but on that day, anything was possible.

Just how did they get the story? Don't give me the bit about cell phones. There were a couple conversations picked up on the Tarmac at National Airport. But cell phones don't work once your off the ground very high. It's bull crap.

I would have done the same thing and shot it down. What chaps my ass is the automatic inclination to lie when we could have handled the truth. I still have home video of standing on the roof on 400 North Cap waiting for flight 93 to smash into the Capitol building just across the street in case any of you shills, who were not working at Msnbc want proof



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by deadmessiah
Well, I decided to look into it further. Apparently 5.74 mile away wasn't where the shock wave stopped. I find it a little amazing that employees in a warehouse 10 miles away felt their building shake from the explosion/impact. Source -www.post-gazette.com...


Maybe it was just a bomb and no plane?

Maybe there was a plane and it dropped the bomb?

Maybe the plane was the bomb. Maybe this plane wasn't U93.

Just thinking aloud. Strange the msm released this now. Raises more questions than answers. They had to know the "anonymous sources" U93 video story would excite the theorists.




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