Robert Gates: Israel an ungrateful ally

Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Actually they were immigrating there long before WW2 - immigration and land purchases in the 1920's and 1930's caused a lot of strife - even though they weer perfectly legal and the pand was paid for.

Before the bandits, the British, occupied Palestine, it was not legal for land "owners" to prohibit traditional tenants from lease. Which is exactly what the European Jews who "bought" lands were doing and which is what caused the strife. Their paln was to make life unlivable for all those dependent on the land they "bought" so that they would migrate for livelihood and they can claim the territory including lands they didn't "buy" as their own. Any government of Palestine which even remotely had the interests of the natives would have refused to register such "sales". But then who can accuse the British of being anything but the most disgusting bandit scum the earth has seen?

Yeah sure, when "laws" are written by bandits for other bandits anything can be "legal".

I believe European migrants to North America also "bought" land from the natives and for a "fair price" too.

We bought the land with liquor, its not our fault the natives were dumb enough to fall for it, its called good business. You screw your, customers for as long as you can and when they eventually realize what's going on its too late for them to save themselves. The bankers have been doing this to civilizations for thousands of years and now they own the whole planet, except not everyone knows it yet because they haven't awoken from their great delusions of a little house, and the postage stamp sized yard with the white picket fence, 2 cars and 2 and a half kids.

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by On the level
It is shocking that they not only have taken Billions from the American tax payer but that they feel they can do and say as they like and if anyone disagrees then they are an anti semite. Sorry this isnt playschool and we wont be cowed by your bull# anymore. Israel deserves to be destroyed for many reasons, but especially their treatment of the palestinians. Funny how the abused always becomes the abuser.

Typical racist.

Hmmm...maybe America should be destroyed as well for their treatment of the Native tribes. Or let's say Australia, for their treatment of the aborigines. Or let's maybe wipe out Islam for their treatment of all non believers.

Get a grip.

That's the typical Israel apologist MO. Use the past as an excuse for the present. Are you condoning the genocide of the Palestinian people because other nations did so in the past? Let me guess, you won't even acknowledge that it is indeed a genocide, right?

I guess only the native Jewish people would have any relation to the Palestinian people, so what the hell are the current Israeli people doing there then? Hmm? How can a nation be "re-established" by people who are not indigenous to the region?

ANYONE CARE TO ANSWER THIS?

reply to post by yourignoranceisbliss


Nope, he used a typical straw man argument.

I don't sgree with either side in this case. But what are ya gonna do? It's up to them to settle it.

reply to post by proteus33


I'm not religious, but i happen to think that Jews = Fine, as i do with the majority of all moderate religious people, but Israeli government and military = Psychopathic hate mongers who should have been hauled up to face trial in the international criminal courts for crimes against humanity many times over.

The arrogance (and idiocy) of Netanyahu is simply staggering..talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

We bought the land with liquor, its not our fault the natives were dumb enough to fall for it, its called good business. You screw your, customers for as long as you can and when they eventually realize what's going on its too late for them to save themselves.The bankers have been doing this to civilizations for thousands of years and now they own the whole planet,

So The elite that are screwing everyone over are not at fault.. they are just conducting good "business".
Is this what you are saying?

That reminds me though, can anyone reply my thread here please? www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Themadalchemist


I have never put Obama in the same equation with the population of America.

YOU have lost family liberating Jews? I had relatives both inside the Nazi Concentration Camps and I also had family among the ANZACs & British forces fighting in WW2.

So I don't owe you anything mate; perhaps you lost relatives fighting in WW2 but definately not through liberating the Nazi Concentration Camps.

reply to post by Observor


You mentioned Govt of Palestine? What Govt of Palestine? Last time I checked there has never been a nation of "Palestine".

Gates thinks the US should be dictating policy in Israel, and every other country. He thinks the World revolves around the US. The US can not even run itself, except into the ground.

reply to post by jondave


Spot on mate.

Gates is just doing a job he is paid to do. He has no bearing on Israel at all.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Observor

 

You mentioned Govt of Palestine? What Govt of Palestine? Last time I checked there has never been a nation of "Palestine".

Oh! Yes, there was one, a government of Palestine, at least until the bandits got the "Palestine mandate". The Ottoman Province of Palestine (that includes what is today Jordan) was ruled by a Governor. He was not an independent authority and subject to the will of the Emperor, but was definitely a government.

When the Ottomons found themselves on the losing side in WWI, the British bandits got the Palestine "mandate". They like, all bandits, deemed that it meant they owned the land and the people were there at their mercy.

After WWII they partitioned Palestine, created Jordan, transferred the authority over Jordan to the king, then created Israel and abdicated the rest of the Palestine. That is when Palestine, a part of it, found itself without a government.

A lot of the world owes a lot of "gratitude" the British. It will be nice to someone wipe that island off the earth so that no future generations will have a need for such "gratitude".

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
We bought the land with liquor, its not our fault the natives were dumb enough to fall for it, its called good business.

Somehow the "good business" needed to be backed up with guns, right?

You screw your, customers for as long as you can and when they eventually realize what's going on its too late for them to save themselves. The bankers have been doing this to civilizations for thousands of years and now they own the whole planet, except not everyone knows it yet because they haven't awoken from their great delusions of a little house, and the postage stamp sized yard with the white picket fence, 2 cars and 2 and a half kids.

Not withstanding the irony as pointed out by sk0rpi0n, I don't see the bankers making "laws" on a land they never owned in the first place, "laws" they enforce through guns.

Originally posted by jondave
Gates thinks the US should be dictating policy in Israel, and every other country. He thinks the World revolves around the US.

Why is that news? Because he mentioned Israel?

The US can not even run itself, except into the ground.

Sure. And when that happens, many others, including Israel, will follow suit. And quite deservedly so.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

We bought the land with liquor, its not our fault the natives were dumb enough to fall for it, its called good business. You screw your, customers for as long as you can and when they eventually realize what's going on its too late for them to save themselves.The bankers have been doing this to civilizations for thousands of years and now they own the whole planet,

So The elite that are screwing everyone over are not at fault.. they are just conducting good "business".
Is this what you are saying?

It's not our fault, they do what they want because they have the power to do whatever they please. Well i guess you could say we are partly to blame because we havent found them and executed them for their treachery. Most americans don't even care now anyway because theyre trying to get a slice of the pie.

Ah, who was it who said the love of money was the root of all evil? Oh yeah, his name was Jesus and Jesus frees us.

they are ungrateful at times.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

It is also my subjective opinion that arabs/muslims have plenty of land in the middle east and beyond, THUS they do not deserve an enclave called palestine within the current borders of Israel.

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wow . ok...

So ...having plenty of land is an excuse then Im guessing you must be ok with arabs/muslim immigrants settling in North America and Europe .... because as you know, caucasians have plenty of land in Europe and North America anyway, so thus they dont deserve to keep all the land to themselves, right?
Or does it apply only when European jews need a homeland at the expense of Arabs.


Joking aside, If arabs have plenty of land in the M.E, its only because they have been living there for generations while the jews were living in Europe in large numbers... Someone having a lot of land doesn't mean you just can just walk in and claim a piece to build your house... even if you hold the opinion that its ok.

Jews have lived in the holy land for a very long time and they are the worlds oldest known religion. The british government decided to let jews in diaspora reoccupy the land they always considered home and the palestinan nomads had no quarrels about selling them property.

Palestine never officially existed as nation so its impossible to steal something that does not really belong to you in the first place. Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived in the british colony known as palestine in peace and tranquility.

I prefer a nation called Israel to honor the oldest known religion, father of both christians and muslims, run in a secular fashion.

Sounds noble....to want to see Jews, christians and muslims live together.
Except what you think is the father of both christians and muslims hates and mocks a certain religious figure very, very important to and honored by both the christians and muslims.

Jews do not believe in Jesus Christ as our savior or messiah. They believe strictly in the old testament and continue to await for the their savior/messiah. During the first century AD the jews that belived in Jesus became christians while those that did not REMAINED jews. Jesus Christ himself was born into a jewish family!

Some high ranking jewish priests mocked and tortured Jesus because they thought he was a trouble making con-artist of his era. Today no one, except the truely athiest, mocks Jesus. They simply do not believe in him as their savior/messiah.

It seems all the hate is focused on Israel for no good reason and it also PISSES ME OFF that are so many muslim sympathisers after 3,000 americans got killed on 9-11, which this year is the 10 year anniversary.

The hate is focussed on the state of Israel for a good reason....
Its the same reason why a lot of hate is focussed on the Nazi regime as well.
You see, most normal people have a natural repulsion towards oppresive regimes. Israel is no exception.

To maintain thier national boundaries safe they needed to built walls and treat fanatic muslims as potential terrorists. I do NOT constitute that as oppression. In the USA if you act belligerent then you will become a target of the state so things are no different elsewhere.

As for the nazis they killed 6 MILLION jews, gypsies and communists. How the hell does that compare with the slight discomfort suffered by the palestinians? Its like comparing apples to oranges!

Originally posted by On the level
It is shocking that they not only have taken Billions from the American tax payer but that they feel they can do and say as they like and if anyone disagrees then they are an anti semite. Sorry this isnt playschool and we wont be cowed by your bull# anymore. Israel deserves to be destroyed for many reasons, but especially their treatment of the palestinians. Funny how the abused always becomes the abuser.

Destroy Israel istelf? I hope you were refering to the government and it's policies and not the people. The people of Israel didn't ask for this chaos. The Israeli people are like all other people who just want to live a peaceful life. The powers behind the governments of Israel, Britain, and America are the real terrorists and should be eliminated. To say innocent common people should be destroyed is beyond my rational thinking as a human being. Are you human? How can you defend life and freedom and then make such an assinine statement? As if the Israeli people have any control over government policy..

What you're saying is in line with suggesting the destruction of America for the immoral actions our politicians continue to enact on us. It's not the peoples fault. Ignorance and intolerance is what gave rise to the horrors of the past.

Shame on you for being cruel and full of ignorant rage, wishing the destruction of common people..

reply to post by ModernAcademia


The reason the Obama administration cant get Israel to play ball so to speak is simple. Obama has shown a disdain for Israel he has even so much as smacked them in the face by his treatment of Netanyahu on several occasions. They have left the Israeli head of state waiting when Joe Biden the US vice president, arrived 90 minutes late for a dinner Netanyahu hosted. Obama has literally walked out during negotiations to eat dinner. The snub marked a fresh low in US-Israeli relations and appeared designed to show Mr Netanyahu how low his stock had fallen in Washington.And then they want concessions from them ??? Lets just say Obama foreign policy is a joke and like many things this administration does its someone else s fault. On the plus side he didnt blame Bush at least not yet.

reply to post by dragonridr


Obama has made so many "mistakes" while president, I hardely understand why anyone would vote for him again. He laissez faire attitude toward the BP disaster and Fukishima, his wrongfully criticism of israel and suggestions toward a palestinian state, his desire to continue imperialism in iraq and afghanistan, okaying french and british plans to attack libya, agreeing with republicans to put social security cuts on the table while ignoring covert foreign bailouts, etc!

I understand its "the lesser of two evils" because voting for a republican means you get another Bush or Reagan, BUT common on man, surely we can do better? Do I have to vote for a libertarian or perhaps socialist candidate to get peace and prosperity?

Watching the campaign election process is like attending a puppet show.

I would love to see what Israel would do if the United States pulled all aid and support for Israel. I'm sure the word "Nazi" and "Anti-Semitic" would be thrown around more than ever.

Think what you will but Gates is absolutely correct. We bend over backwards for Israel and they are completely ungrateful. All of our politicians suck up to Israel and put them ahead of American interests. When we 'ask' them to stop building illegal settlements, Bibi decides Obama needs a talking down to. Israel has done absolutely NOTHING in the history of its existence to HELP the United States. Quite the contrary. Lets see. They attack our military. They bomb American targets under the guise of being 'evil Muslims'. They steal nuclear secrets from us and then cry and complain when we won't release the Israeli spy who committed the treason. God only knows they probably had a hand in 9/11.

So what? Why are we so hell bent on helping this pathetic little trouble making nothing of a country? They believe they are better than everyone. They cause nothing but trouble. They spy on everyone and steal secrets. They have killed many American's over the years with their false flags and BS. I can't think of one good reason why we "help" them. In fact our helping them has put us in the position we are in today.

Oh and by the way.. you can call me an Anti-Semite all you want. There is nothing "semetic" about the current population living in Israel.