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Is PK really Possible?

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posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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I wish I could remember what they are called, but in high school we had spinners in glass like what was on the video, it is a solar like powered spinner. You could put your hand on the side of it and make it spin around just by blocking heat and light from it. From what I see, he is doing the same thing, is science, not PK IMO.

That being said, I have been learning for several years how to use my own intuition/esp, and PK is something I have never had any luck with, so if it is possible, you must have to be very gifted in that area.




posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by sailormon
It will work if you work at it long enough. However in my case it led to severe headaches until I learned to channel rather than force. Also as you get better, you don't need to be close to wheels, I could be in the far reaches of the home and cause movement.

The short of it is, you also need to be right brained as the left analysis far too much, thus I had to subdue my science teacher background left lobe and bring my fine arts teacher right brain to the forefront or it just did not work.


Now I know why I can never do this stuff.

Oh, wait. You said "right brained". I was thinking right mind.

Come to think of it, that might also be part of the problem.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Amanda81

Originally posted by Quirky

Originally posted by Quirky
It would be fun to get a bunch of people together to try this out, like sort of an online group-pk experiment.


Anyone interested?


I am but I'd have to find some people living in my country since I simply don't believe in video's. It's to easy to fake.


I was thinking more along the line of getting a bunch of people to set up their own wheel in a jar and trying to move it at a specific time. Then everyone could report what happened to their wheel afterwards. So you wouldn't have to believe a video. You would be taking part in a group experiment. Group PK is supposed to be easier than individual pk.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean you should be a jerk to those who can. It could be a natural explanation. In that case you SHOULD be able to replicate those videos using the same materials. If the plastic jar is creating static for the poster, it should create static for you, allowing you to move the wheel in exactly the same way. Before you pick on someone for a lack of clear thinking, why not put your own brain to the test?



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Quirky
Sure is hard to get a conversation going in here...


You're doing just fine all by yourself!


First, you might want to delineate PK from other ahem, shall I call them 'abilities', for clarification. Put a HARD definition.

Second, there's been so much proven fakery in the 'PK' world that an Internet video just won't cut the mustard. It's what you DON'T see that fools you. There's more trickery on the net than in any other media.

Third, yes, FAITH as in 100% unadulterated, child-like BELIEF, can and does change reality. It's a dangerous game though, because the subconscious understands things amorally and differently than our normal consciousness does. Specifically, I am referring to either prayers for the religious or to "imagery" for the non-religious. This is NOT "PK" in my own personal HARD definition though many will attribute it to PK.

Fourth, another related one (often wrongly attributed to poltergeist activity) is actually an electrical disturbance in or just above the obula oblongata (spellings?) of the 'afflicted' individual. I have SEEN, as well as all my co-workers seeing the same thing in one particular co-worker. Typewriters and 10-keys flew sideways off of desktops and smaller objects like staplers ... and ... we all observed these things happen and watched to make sure it wasn't the 'afflicted' person's feet tripping electrical wires. It wasn't! She'd be a good 10 yards away. I asked her if she knew she did this. She said it's been a problem her entire life and it wasn't intentional. Parapsychologists can help people with this problem. Co-workers labeled it PK but this is NOT "PK" in my own personal HARD definition.

So, what is your HARD definition of it? What is it, what does it include, and what is NOT included?



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Quirky
I was thinking more along the line of getting a bunch of people to set up their own wheel in a jar and trying to move it at a specific time. Then everyone could report what happened to their wheel afterwards. So you wouldn't have to believe a video. You would be taking part in a group experiment. Group PK is supposed to be easier than individual pk.


I see, I agree that that would be the easiest way.
Guess I'll need to get my hands on a large glass jar then and make a pinwheel.
It's been something I've been wanting to try out for a while.



posted on Sep, 16 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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I would have thought what your co-worker did was pk. What do you call it?

I think moving an object through either conscious or unconscious thought would qualify as PK.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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To me, PK has to be intentional and controlled. So, we sort out one of the aspects in the definition by splitting it into categories. In this case, the co-worker's ability/affliction was random. Parapsychologists do as well. Here are a few links I dug up for you on this one sub-category.

www.scspr.org...

www.mysteriouspeople.com...

ghosthunterssociety.tripod.com...

The next part you need to define in your HARD definition of pure, true PK is the modus operendi, the means.

Here are a few of them to sort through:

1. Electro-Magnetic/Electrical impulses from the brain. More or less a CONTROLLED version of the phenonmenon mentioned with the co-worker.

2. Emotional/Hysterical chemical (chemistry affects the body electrically in some cases, such as calcium). This emotionally-charged method is used in magics of all sorts. This is a huge category that includes wild dances and ceremonies and many more emotionally-charged magics, rituals or ceremonies.

3. Prayers which are more than merely repeating a set of memorized words, resulting in 'miracles' of healing. I'd put channeling in this category. The user gives all the credit to the 'other' in this method. AMA has accepted this one as a real factor in some cases they studied.

4. Imagery - imagining, FEELING (adds the emotional element like #2 above), SEEING in your mind's eye even sofar as to taste, smell, tactally feel (as opposed to the emotion feel) and to hear it become real. This one utilizes a conscious link to the subconscious and can potentially have unexpected results.

5. Meditative, Sufi (teleportation), Tibetan Buddhist sound/song/chant like where they raise rocks in the air.

6. Unknown such as that Coral Castle builder in Florida. (That one may have been mechanical so exclude it for now.)

For my own personal HARD definition, I use #1 above.
edit on 17/9/2011 by Trexter Ziam because: add a comma



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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An awesome book on this realm of things is The End of Materialism by Dr. Charles Tart. He has truly compiled an awesome amount of data/proof/examples of all sorts of Psi activity and behaviors.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Amanda81

Originally posted by Quirky
I was thinking more along the line of getting a bunch of people to set up their own wheel in a jar and trying to move it at a specific time. Then everyone could report what happened to their wheel afterwards. So you wouldn't have to believe a video. You would be taking part in a group experiment. Group PK is supposed to be easier than individual pk.


I see, I agree that that would be the easiest way.
Guess I'll need to get my hands on a large glass jar then and make a pinwheel.
It's been something I've been wanting to try out for a while.


Well, if you get yourself set up I'd be happy to be your pk buddy and try moving a wheel at the same time.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Thermo Klein
An awesome book on this realm of things is The End of Materialism by Dr. Charles Tart. He has truly compiled an awesome amount of data/proof/examples of all sorts of Psi activity and behaviors.


I love that book!

Did you know Dr Tart has a youtube channel?

www.youtube.com.../u/3/j9CBYisAa1o
edit on 17-9-2011 by Quirky because: Wasn't finished.



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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The more formal papers I've read on PK don't separate PK from RSPK as you've done, they usually just define different types of PK (RSPK being one of those types).



posted on Sep, 17 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Anyone from this discussion in Australia?
My post count is almost there and I'd be interested in hearing from you.
edit on 17/9/11 by sirenofthedead because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by Quirky
Well, if you get yourself set up I'd be happy to be your pk buddy and try moving a wheel at the same time.


How about somewhere next weekend?
I need to finish the peas that go with the large jar and I want to do some practicing so I can get a feel for it.

Are there any specific things I should keep a eye on regarding false results besides the following:
-air movement -> jar,
-ground movement,
-heat convection -> keep everything at room temperature and try to keep your hands as far away from the jar as possible.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Next weekend is fine with me. Sounds like you have things covered. What time?



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
I wish I could remember what they are called, but in high school we had spinners in glass like what was on the video, it is a solar like powered spinner. You could put your hand on the side of it and make it spin around just by blocking heat and light from it. From what I see, he is doing the same thing, is science, not PK IMO.

That being said, I have been learning for several years how to use my own intuition/esp, and PK is something I have never had any luck with, so if it is possible, you must have to be very gifted in that area.


Orthodox Science often claims what they deny once it has been studied long enough. Science is a religion like any other.
The Crookes radiometer of which you speak is a common pk training tool in pk communities today. I have noticed a lot of comments in this thread claiming science this and against physics that and none of them mention any experimentation all are rehashed opinions based on no evidence.

The crookes radiometer is used today by psions to train pk under glass or "Stasis field" In this training exercise it is the intention of the psion to stop the radiometer by connecting to and utilizing available kinetic energy.

Here are some experiments you may like to try at home as I have.
This one demonstrates a measurable skin response during stasis field on a radiometer.


This one is using a weather station to give a live measurement of the effect over time establishing a base wind speed then wind speed once stasis field is attempted.


There are different controls that one can employ in their own experiments however as a psion one understands that pk is working with available energy. The more energy you cut yourself off from the less you have to work with. Psions do not hide under a glass jar when doing pk in real world situations they draw from their very environment. Do not look to an authority for permission for this to become a usable part of your reality. Experiment connect meditate record. You will find more about yourself and your connection to the world and others around you than you ever imagined so get out of that box and give your mind permission to experiment with true freedom. The answers will come from within your true self. I leave you with this last video I made to help you understand my perspective on connection. Peace fellow travelers.



posted on Sep, 19 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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There are pk communities???? Where???? I would love to know more about this!



posted on Sep, 22 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by sirenofthedead
Anyone from this discussion in Australia?
My post count is almost there and I'd be interested in hearing from you.
edit on 17/9/11 by sirenofthedead because: (no reason given)


Have you noticed Shirak?



posted on Sep, 23 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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You're amazing, Shirak.
edit on 23/9/11 by sirenofthedead because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 27 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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I suggest reading Dr. Ira Teller's book, CONTROL SWITCH ON, which deals with the development of a Psi-control switch. It is a true story and can be found for free at www.controlswitchon.com. This will give us some great insight
into bending spoons and what is happening with a spinning pinwheel. This is the real link you have been searching for.




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