Originally posted by Hellas
Originally posted by MapMistress
Unless these are German government do-do birds who have no clue as to what their own pharmaceutical company headquartered in Germany has?
I don't see how this could not be the case?
I suppose I'm referring to the private sector v. government.
Bayer AG is headquartered in Germany. They would have had samples of Marburg 1967 because of the outbreak on German soil. And they would have had
such samples in a lab since the 1960s. The German government would have also had such samples since Marburg 1967 was named for Marburg, Germany. It
originates in Africa, but because of an outbreak in Germany it got its name from a German town.
I find it difficult to imagine that the US doesn't already have different samples of Marburg since there's been plenty of Marburg outbreaks for them
to send a team to get samples of the filovirus. So past government officials for the United States would already have such samples.
I would expect the U.S. government to have samples of:
Marburg 1967 (because they've had over 40 yrs to find a seller in Germany- they've probably already got it)
Marburg 1980 (Kenya)
Marburg 1987 (Kenya)
Marburg 1998-2000 (Congo)
I would expect Bayer AG (German PRIVATE company) to have samples of:
Marburg 1967 (Uganda, Germany, Serbia)
Marburg 1975 (Zimbabwe, Botswana, South Africa) from their South Africa office
Marburg 1998-2000 (Congo)
Marburg 2004-2005 (Angola) they could get it thru their South Africa office
Marburg 2008 (Netherlands) they probably could get ahold of it from the Netherlands; they are a billion dollar corporation and I'm sure someone in
the Netherlands gov't would sell it
I would expect the German government to have ONLY a sample of:
Marburg 1967 (which had an outbreak on German soil)
The German government would really only have one to buy. A private corporation headquartered in Germany--they would be the one with all the samples,
but not necessarily in their German offices. They have offices in other countries. So why would the US gov't be buying from the German government
when it would be a private company headquartered in Germany that has all the samples?
The only ones that the US government might not have is Marburg 1975 (Zimbabwe, Botswana, South Africa). But since Bayer AG (Germany) has a major
office in South Africa and during that year there was a German Prime Minister of South Africa--Bayer probably has a sample in lab of Marburg 1975. But
that would be the private sector. The German government wouldn't have that sample even if a private pharmaceutical company within Germany might have
a sample. There's a difference between private sector and government. I doubt that Bayer (a private pharm company) would sell their sample to the US
government either. And I'm not even certain that they would sell their sample to the German government for that matter. Bayer definitely doesn't
tell their own government about every virus that they have in vaults/labs in different offices/cities/countries for their pharm company around the
Now about the only thing that the US government might not have is Marburg 2008 which was imported into the Netherlands. A woman hiking in Kenya
brought it back by accident to the Netherlands. She died in the Netherlands. But on that one, I don't know if the German government would have it.
The U.S. would have to get it from the Netherlands--a completely different country.
So if there's a sale going on then it can't be between the German government and the United States. It would have to be between the Netherlands and
the United States. And if there was really a sale of Marburg between the U.S. and German government, then it would have to be new people in office in
the U.S. that don't know what other classified departments already have. So I nickname them "do-do birds." It would be a redundant purchase by a
new administration. But I suppose one classified department in government doesn't always share with others what they already have.
Either that or what Wikileaks posted wasn't even true. I could see the U.S. gov't trying to buy Marburg 2008 from the Netherlands. But not Germany.
And if that's so, then the Wikileaks post would be false.