Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Originally posted by Frira
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
And, by the way...
I suspect you will respond to the above by stating that you have read the document.
No. You have NOT read the document. I know you have not read the document. The complexity of the material and its presentation is professional-- and leaves no room for comment on the cover art as a valid means of questioning its authenticity.
Look here, Frira. Are you trying to tell us that you have psychic abilities?
No. I am not psychic-- it just looks that way.
It looks that way because I "read" people, word choice, subject matter, conclusions drawn-- those things tell me much about a person-- more than how they hold their hands and the gaze of the eyes when speaking.
I kind of admire that you were willing to put your NASA belief system on the line and I'm impressed that you spent 33 pages defending it. But now you have absolutely crossed that line.
ATS is a forum for discussion. ATS is not your personal blog. There are many many free blogs out there if you want to blog about your personal pictures, your personal recollections about what your Daddy told you about Apollo.
Quit your whining.
33 pages IS a discussion-- not a blog. That it smacks you in the face and you wish it to go away is not my concern, and arrogant of you.
I'm sorry to have to break the news to you in this way : you are wrong, Frira. I have read SP-368 Biomedical Results of Apollo so that I may deny my own ignorance. The first time I encountered it was in the Aussie Genius thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...
SP-368 is akin to a scriptural text for the Apollo faithful in that the orthodox believers may not deviate from it. I did read the entire book because I am open minded skeptic. The book contains 567 pages of tables & summaries written in 1975. Fecal matter and urine testing, mice killing, etc. Pages and pages of food menus, medical tablet intake regimens, etc.
You are correct. SP-368 is an important document in the Apollo mythology. Take for instance the possibility that certain astronauts were fearful of disclosing certain ailments that, if reported, might knock them off the program.
SP-368 doesn't come out and say "Michael Collins lied to his flight surgeons" but the report says what it says :
One interesting medical event that occurred on this flight was reported by the Command
Module Pilot in his account of the Apollo Program. _ He revealed that he had experienced
dysbarism (bends) on his first space flight (Gemini 10) as well as on his second
(Apollo 11). He described symptoms involving the left knee as a sharp, throbbing ache
which gradually worsened and leveled off at a moderate, but very uncomfortable level of
pain. The symptomatology was less painful on Apollo 11 than it had been on Gemini 10.
Unfortunately this information was not made available to the medical team during either
the Gemini or Apollo Programs. Source Page 73 of the pdf www.hq.nasa.gov...
Before I let you change the subject...
And that, you see, is part of of the problem.
Instead of responding to why a cover illustrator would be let in on the "great secret" as you claim, which was always obvious to some us, but now obvious to you as a major problem in your scenario-- you abandon that argument to take up another without first conceding the point.
And also, let me point out that it is you who took to the low disparagement and name calling of your opponents.
So get your perspective straight-- both in what your argument is, and in the rules of engagement by which you wish to abide. If you name-call and disparage, don't expect mercy for foolishness in your arguments-- it saps my patience.
So Frira I have read this book quite extensively. I know this book well enough to discuss it. That is what ATS is about Discussion is it not?
You led off with the cover picture, and have defended a wild scheme based on a picture. I know that is far as you got with the report-- and you know that I know it.
If it were otherwise, you would have led off with the content of the report and not the picture on the cover.
There is so much data in that report, so many details, that it would be perilous to present the data as fact if it were fiction. That the report and the data contained within it exists at all would be difficult to explain if the moon landings were a hoax, as the public was NOT clamoring for proof, "We want to see biomedical data to PROVE to us Apollo was real!"
No, NASA produced the report because the data was valuable. And if you have now read it-- you already know that.
Now, I believe you were going to make a claim beginning with your acceptance that the report of Collins and the bends is true?
edit on 20-12-2011 by Frira because: (no reason given)