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Step off your high horse. Plenty of people bash the pro religion section, even if you never step foot in there to see it. Tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it nonsense. If they bash IN CONTEXT and APROPRIATELY, their bashing stays. Especially if they research their stance.
Originally posted by Imtor
Should we now make a crusade to your forum and convince you that Aliens are ETs/ancient dwellers?
Quit crying and do it. Threats mean nothing, do something, and demand a reason if they refuse to close the thread. Seriously, are you a kid that you have to cry "I'm gonna tell mom!"? And no, this is not name calling, this is pointing out the immaturity of this behavior. Posts like this choke the real conversation of a thread. They need to be removed for being off topic.
I will soon demand this thread closed or any of that kind.
The point in being conservative in most fields, INCLUDING BELIEF is to prevent conclusions and opinions that are not thoroughly grounded from being accepted. I'm not saying that Aliens do or don't exist or even what they are if they do. I'm saying that there isn't enough conclusive evidence by a long shot to conclude Aliens are as real as my nose. I'll resist that until IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE is given. There is none, yet. There is evidence out there for Aliens and UFOs, and the explanations that are NON ALIEN are just as numerous. And I'm saying this when I'm 2 degrees removed from the Cajun at Roswell.
Originally posted by autowrench
And another star from me. It is time, no way past time for the Christians to admit to themselves that ETs are as real as the noses on their faces, and that they are NOT demons at all.
So have a lot of things (Aliens, Demons, God, et al), and in all those cases, people automatically question whether the being exists or even was anything other than a human. So, if they'll question that, there's reason to question this. (And regretably, many who question this on most of them usually have one that they are a diehard fan of them being real. Orly? Suspicious of some without being suspicious of all, you say?)
Some ETs look just like human beings.
You know, the one thing that has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in this thread is that it's not ONLY CHRISTIANS. In fact, any of the reading I've done on Demon Posession has left me with less than half the posessed that seek help from Exorcists being even familiar with Cristianity, let alone being Christians. And the faith healers that are usually called in before a Catholic Exorcist are some combination of Native American Wiccian, or even Voodoo. Burning Sage, anyone?
And only Christians believe in demons and get possessed by them..why do you think this is?
Ah, there's the rub, "hearing" ~ implies that you passively let this mess come to you instead of researching it. When that happens, all you ever get is the "what everyone thinks they know" information instead of cold hard fact.
I have never once heard of anyone else but devout Christians getting possessed.
Not quite sound logic. The UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION for this to work is that ALL DEMONS ARE MALEVOLENT, or that their MALEVOLENCE is shown through PHYSICAL VIOLENCE. Another underlying assumption is that demons have no one yanking their chain when they attempt to go beyond what they are allowed to do.
Originally posted by Komodo
But to say .. ALL ET's are demonic is nothing but pure globalism and that's not healthy mindset either.. as I said in my previous post.. if ALL ET's are demonic by nature.. this would make them malevolent.. and we'd be seriously be wiped off the face of the map LONG time ago .. WAY before Roswell incident took place..
You do know that the Bible is better documentent than Ptolemy, Socrates, Alexander the Great? Deny the religion all you want, but a lot of the text is verifyable history. They give you names of people and places, and general things that went on outside of supernatural events--and even some facts about nature that were not discovered until very recently in history. To do a proper point by point study of this would take me forever, and is worth a whole seperate thread, so don't bother with arguing about it, unless you want to IM me about it. I'll be glad to point some things out.
Originally posted by SplitInfinityYou read the BIBLE....uh....OK. I went to Disney Land! HA! THERE! At least DISNEY LAND IS REAL! Split Infinity
People generally say this like this when they haven't researched the thing thoroughly, but rely on what they've been told. Now, if it's been through any given debate, generally the person who shouts and bashes the longest, with or without reasoning and "proof" is accredited "winning" an "having proven" their point. And it's not because it was here, but because it's human nature. IM me the again and again, and one day, when this thread finally dies off, I may look at it and ponder it's accuracy.
Originally posted by Zeer0
How do you suppose such things are real when the Bible has been disproven AGAIN and AGAIN? Im inclined to think this is fantasy because the Bible has never lived up to any of claims stated in the Bible. Your the one whos brain washed.
It's supposed to look silly. It's supposed to be an uphill battle, and flying in the face of peer pressue. Who wants to do that?
When you break it down Religion is just silly.
Have you seen this before?It still has a purpose: preventing people from being superstitious. That's a study after years of people saying quite the opposite.
Its had it purpose but now it needs to go.
It's patently obvious that there is no TRYING to convince themselves--they already believe what they believe, as do I (which is not the same). There is no LOGIC in giving passion to an arguement you don't believe in.
Stop trying to convince yourself such nonsense is the Truth
You know, for someone who is upset with people telling others what to believe, you just can't seem to help yourself can you? You do know that the things you hate in other people are generally your own faults, right? Be more aware. You just gave away some of your dignity with this one phrase.
and dont you dare try to incorporate this with something that is plausible like ET Visitation.
1. Semantics. Religion in the religious world only applies to an organization, sometimes it refers to organized belief systems that do not come from the standard origen texts, ie. religion and dogma are used the same way, at times. 2. Agnostics are a wide range of beliefs, parallelling the splits in all the little factions out there, but most of them are unafiliated with an organization, no matter if they study 1 or all religious texts that support a belief in God. Agnostics are not generally practicioners, and since all they do is study and don't practice the tennants of any faith, they are thereby non-religious.
Originally posted by annella
Ummmm...how can you state you are not apart ( I am assuming you mean a part) of any religion yet you clearly talk about those who have been tricked into ' believing there is no God'? It is very obvious religiosity is a huge part of you life so why are you denying it?
It depends on what you are trying to prove. Fairy tales, acknowledged by the whole of humanity Fairy Tales, like Cinderella can be used as irrefutable proof of a number of things. But "fairy tales", like the Bible, that are used to make sucessful archaeology digs are VERY RARE. Look it up before you fuss.
And any evidence you supply from myths/tales/legends etc is NOT proof. It is the writers belief or fantasy. Likewise this smell of sulphur!! If I were a religious nut, saw an alien and it smelled of something odd...you can be sure I would say it was sulphur. Fits with the brainwashed line of thinking. No?
Check it, its NO IRREFUTABLE PROOF. Aleistair Crowley and some scientist whom you throw out immediately for being quacks is not NO proof, just dubious proof.
Originally posted by annellaBut like a few in this thread who continue to throw links/biblical quotes/refs to people like Aleistair Crowley etc, I reiterate...that is/ there is NO PROOF!!
Originally posted by Zeer0-The world isnt 6000 years old as the Bible claims
The Bible, taken literally, doesn't claim that. The numbers are off. But roughly, it doesn't support an Earth older than 10,000 years. As this is a topic for a thread on it's own, no comment.
Asian scientists who live in Asia still say we came out of Asia, so there's debate over that. All the Bible does for this mess is put the origen out of the area of Babylon.
The first Humans were from Africa so Adam and Eve never existed
Yeah, snakes don't now talk but they did lose their legs, and if they can lose one ability, they can lose another. So, people back in the time this was written knew that snakes once had legs but now do not. Took us a while longer to figure that one out.
Snakes dont talk
Any creature that can disguise itself as a human or take a human as a host will be hard to prove. First, you've got to prove that a soul exist. I so wish I had the 600 pg study written up on that by someone who did not believe in a soul...before he thought he proved it.
No proof of Angles and Demons,
Got to prove a historical figure first.
or God for that matter
All the time. God even talked to him publically, at 1 point.
So a man claimed he was the Son Of God but how did you know this is the Truth, did anyone see him talk to God?Oh, people get Biblical matters wrong all the time. That doesn't mean that the source text is wrong, per se.
People have claimed alot of things, doesnt mean thay are true. And Religion is no different no matter how much you think its not.
They don't even do linear descending trees anymore because those don't work. They do these big class tree things where most things are parallel. I'm not looking up the name right now.
So fossil remains of us growing different physical traits that eventually led to Homo Sapiens isnt Evidence? Your crazy as hell or you are delusional.
On pg 22. Thank God.
Originally posted by A boy in a dress
reply to post by WithoutWarning
Maybe that's what's needed, a time when mankind can join as one and leave
all our petty differences on the hillside overlooking the battle site.
We could truly be called a species-among-species and take our place in the
The Demons would run then... they would know that we have elevated to the
lofty heights of Angels... and they would fear us.
No more burnt offerings of the young, no more Rock-and-Roll 'Devil' music and
no more mascara daubed on innocent teenagers' eyes.
For the first time in our history, we would be kings... nay, Gods.
Ever heard of the Jinn?
Originally posted by Diplomat
Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by Diplomat
Any proof of these Magical Ceremonies being real? Because everything i have ever read that was considered to be Demonic or Magical Ritual isnt real.
According to osme contactee's these ET's have a smell and you can touch them they even have an aura about them. Demons arent Physical (if such things exist). So how can Demons be Aliens when they are not even Physical?
Well according to some people, the extradimensional entities can manifest physically in our 3rd dimension and take any shape/form they wish.
Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by autowrench
You know the same can be said of your "aliens" , otherwise you would have provided evidence of your claims.
You are in for one hell of a surpriseedit on 8-9-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)