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reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 06:31 PM by Soshh
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
a signatory fully compliant with UN's IAEA that might or might not have one warhead?


iaea.org...

3. Areas where Iran is not meeting its obligations, as indicated in this report and previous reports of the Director General

Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities as follows:

• Production of UF6 at UCF as feed material for enrichment
• Manufacturing centrifuge components, and assembling and testing centrifuges
• Conducting enrichment related research and development
• Conducting operations, installation work and the production of LEU up to 3.5% U-235 at the Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP)
• Conducting operations, installation work and the production of LEU up to 20% U-235 at the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant (PFEP)
• Conducting construction work at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP)

Iran is not providing supporting information regarding the chronology of the design and construction, as well as the original purpose, of FFEP

Iran has not suspended work on heavy water related projects as follows:

• Continuing the construction of the IR-40 Reactor
• Production of heavy water at the Heavy Water Production Plant (HWPP)
• Preparing for conversion activities for the production of natural UO2 for IR-40 Reactor fuel
• Manufactured a fuel assembly, fuel rods and fuel pellets for the IR-40 Reactor Iran has not permitted the Agency to verify suspension of its heavy water related projects by:
• Not permitting the Agency to take samples of the heavy water stored at UCF
• Not providing access to HWPP Iran is not cooperating with the Agency regarding the outstanding issues which give rise to concern about possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear programme:
• Iran is not providing access to relevant locations, equipment, persons or documentation related to possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear programme; nor has Iran responded to the many questions the Agency has raised with Iran regarding procurement of nuclear related items

• Iran is not engaging with the Agency in substance on issues concerning the allegation that Iran is developing a nuclear payload for its missile programme. These issues refer to activities in Iran dealing with, inter alia:

• neutron generation and associated diagnostics
• uranium conversion and metallurgy
• high explosives manufacturing and testing
• exploding bridgewire detonator studies, particularly involving applications necessitating high simultaneity
• multipoint explosive initiation and hemispherical detonation studies involving highly instrumented experiments
• high voltage firing equipment and instrumentation for explosives testing over long distances and possibly underground
• missile re-entry vehicle redesign activities for a new payload assessed as being nuclear in nature

Iran is not providing the requisite design information in accordance with the modified Code 3.1 in connection with:

• The IR-40 Reactor
• The announced new enrichment facilities
• The announced new reactor similar to TRR

Iran is not implementing its Additional Protocol


Iran does not look fully compliant to me.


reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 06:55 PM by BenReclused
reply to post by BenReclused


This:
What is Israel offering other than secrecy?
Sounds like they are banging the drums of war


This:
It is obvious that the Zionist government wants war. They know they have no evidence at all to prove any of their claims, but there are enough gullible people who believe their BS.


And this:
Here Israel admits they have WMD's so why aren't we invading them? Israel is doing and saying whatever it can to get us to go to war with Iran. If Israel doesn't have the balls to attack Iran on it's own then they need to just shut the hell up.


... are all attempts to bash Israel! I feel my post was, without a doubt, on topic, and that it should be reinstated! Perhaps it wasn't much of a contribution, but it was, most definitely, my opinion of what the OP, and those who posted the other comments quoted above, have in mind!

See ya,
Milt



reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 09:14 PM by Agit8dChop
reply to post by ModernAcademia



C'mon dude, do you really believe Iran are not working towards a nuclear weapon?
Honestly?

Sure, technically they've towed the line, yes what they are doing is reasonable..

But if the USA and Israel were seriously eyeing you off, having just seen what occured in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and much of the world... surely you'd be working OVERTIME To get a nuclear device.

Secondly,
The only thing stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb is the actual nuclear contents. That takes time, lots of time to create enough weapons grade material. I'm pretty sure North Korea, who's produced plenty of this material, and who's a close friend of Iran has probably supplied them with a briefcase or two worth (which would be enough for MORE than 1 bomb)... I do recall Iranian diplomats being present at the north's nuclear test.



But back on topic,

a new WMD discovered in the hands of radical terrorists in the middle east? why havent they used it at some Knesset parliament hearing?

I dont understand Israel some times, either they are on the '' kill them all '' bandwagon, or the ''give them time to conform '' band wagon.

what doesnt make sense is to go in guns blazing making thousands of new terrorists with rage and hate... and then backing off, letting them fester, letting them prepare and then going in again claiming '' they dont like us ''

No kidding. .you killed poor ahmeds entire family with a munition made in the USA. it doesnt take a genius to forsee him wanting to anhiliate you.

Somethings not adding up...


reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 11:08 PM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Agit8dChop



You don't understand them, due to the factions within the government.

Likud and Labor have very different viewpoints on peace in the Middle East, Palestinians and Iran.

Not everyone in Israel wants war with Iran or other such nonsense.

Blanket labeling of Israelis doesn't help anyone, especially the Israelis who want peace.


reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 06:19 AM by BLV12
Originally posted by ModernAcademia


But here's the BIGGEST PIECE OF BS!!!!!!!!!
"Iran has not abandoned its nuclear program. The opposite it true; it continues full steam ahead," he said.

How can a non-signatory with over 200-300 Nuclear Warheads complain about a signatory fully compliant with UN's IAEA that might or might not have one warhead?


Iran is fully compliant? What rock are you hiding under?
Whether Israel is a signatory or not, the fact it has nuclear weapons, has meant that it's security has been maintained and it's Arab neighbours have not launched more wars aimed at wiping it and it's people off the face of the earth. Surely that isn't a concept that is too difficult for people to understand?
Even if Iran was fully compliant over it's energy program, the issue is that it has a history of providing weapons to terrorist groups who attack Israel. It has also supplied groups in Iraq.
What happen if Iran gets nukes, and provides these terror and insurgent groups with them? All hell breaks loose.


And the other(real) regional conflict that is brewing will involve Israel, Cyprus, Turkey and Greece, and possibly the US sixth fleet and various EU countries who might get involved.

The Greek military has moved to a heightened state of alert recently, all branches. Basically, they are prepared for immediate deployment and combat.
If politics fail, then there will be a major war over gas and oil reserves in the eastern Mediterranean by November.

Israel has found gas & oil.
So has Cyprus.
It's been known for well over a decade that Greece has substantial reserves(among other things). In particular there's estimated to be at least 1.5 trillion cubic meters of gas in an area south of Crete. An area that Turkey contested as not being part of Greece's sovereignty and claimed it should be part of Turkey. One of it's infamous gray zones that only it recognizes or believes in.

Turkey isn't happy. It believes it has a right to the natural resources of other countries in the region. It has been making veiled threats for a few weeks now against Cyprus.
It is planning large exercises in the region in the coming days.

It has expelled Israels ambassador as relations with Israel go from worse to catastrophic.
Israel and Greece are growing closer with a defence/security MoU being signed and the Greek defence minister going to Israel and meeting virtually every big player in the government and military hierarchy.

Important to remember also is that Cyprus has signed agreements over it's maritime boundaries with Egypt, Israel, Lebanon and Syria. So there is no issue. Especially since the gas reserves are in it's southern waters. The areas in question don't even border with Turkey, which makes their claims that they have rights too even more ludicrous.

Greece and Israel have already said they support and back Cyprus' rights. In the case of Greece, it will go to war for Cyprus. This time there wont be anything Washington can do to prevent a Greek retaliation and counter attack against Turkey. Although the way a lot of senators and congressmen view Turkey these days, I don't think there will be many who will want to help Turkey anyway.

Israel has proposed a pipeline to Cyprus, and even a pipeline to Greece. In other words, these gas fields which are massive mind you, will be a source of energy for the European Union for decades to come. So there is a lot at stake here.

The USA, whose firm Nobel Energy is involved in exploring and exploitation with Israel and Cyprus, has said it supports Cyprus' right to exploit it's natural resources. Basically a message to Turkey to back off.
Will Turkey attack or interfere with a US firm? We will see..

Russia has even chimed in and said Cyprus has every right to exploit it's natural resources.

It should also be noted that after Cyprus' announcement of gas finds, that German chancellor Merkel and French President Sarkozy BOTH visited Cyprus within days of each other. This is significant because no German or French leaders have ever visited the island before, and after the announcement of a massive gas find, both leaders visit within days of each other. What was said behind closed doors?

Worst case scenario is that Turkey attacks, Cyprus Israel Greece respond. Then the Kurds sensing they have an opportunity, go all out inside Turkey. Syria and Iran decide they have a chance to attack Israel as it is distracted. All hell has broken loose and the chances of the USA, Russia, EU all getting involved would be extremely high. If the worst case scenario happens, it will be massive. China would then likely see the USA is again distracted, even more so then with Iraq and Afghanistan, and moves to settle the Taiwan question once and for all. USA & allies are then forced to counter there. And World War Three has begun.

There are many who think that WW3 will start in the Middle East, and involve Turkey and Greece.
The way things are going at the moment, the way the pieces are falling into place, it certainly seems that such a scenario is plausible now.
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reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 08:47 AM by Unvarnished
reply to post by ModernAcademia



All I know is that if Israel ever uses a nuke they will end up burning themselves in the process, nobody can use WMDs in the region without harming their own nations in any way.


reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 08:56 AM by wondera
reply to post by wcitizen



Yes Gaddafi i agree completely. It's all a zionist plot, using Al Quida as mercinaries.
How very clever of them Mo ha ha ha. Israil would love to see the iranian go down
But NATO is it's own boss, It might be expanding it's area of operations to include
Syria soon but Iran would be a step to far unless Iran attacted Turkey or Pehaps isral
in retaliation for Intervening in syrian affairs.


reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 01:04 PM by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by ALF88




Why is it that all countries have to be compliant and Israel does not?

Because Israel is not a signatory to the treaty. Why should they comply with a treaty they have not signed?
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