Where Is The Otherside Of A Universe That Never Ends?

reply to post by Spiratio
I dreamed i was a butterfly,or was i a butterfly dreaming i was me?

Originally posted by masterp

Originally posted by blocula
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Infinite,eternal and forever are words that have no real meaning,nothing lasts forever,all things must pass and just like the word god,we created and use those words to help us explain the unexplainable,enigmas and paradoxes that are probably beyond our human ability to fully understand,beyond our comprehension...

Nope. The universe is infinite, i.e. it does not have an end. Just like numbers are infinite.

Yup. Never began either. Nor can the infinite composition components ever change. It is why finite anything exists. The quest to exist inside of absolute non-existence. The quest to be greater than infinite, by using finite proxies, to also be every possible variation, iteration and numeration of finite existence, which requires eternity to complete. If it's finite, it's a tool. Ya, tool.

Space is different from Nothing. Space is full of invisible stuff like dark matter, radiation, virtual particles popping in and out of existence etc... Whereas Nothing is, um, nothing.

Our universe (that is, space filled with stuff) is moving or expanding into Nothing (that is, space without stuff).

The Nothing goes on forever, in every direction. Ah, here's the rub! We cannot conceptualize 'nothing'. Our minds just cannot do it. We think of 'nothing' as something. Nothing with a context. A 'void' suggests a context. A 'gap' suggests a context. You cannot have a gap in a bridge without first having a bridge.

The Nothing is not something; it literally doesn't exist, it has no context. Problem is: from our perspective the Nothing looks a lot like our 'stuff-filled space', we can't perceive the difference.

reply to post by tkwasny
Any place you go,anywhere you can ever imagine,any airless vacum,any void,any dimension,any kind of reality,anywhere at all,there will never be "nothing" there,there has to be some kind of energy or matter existing there even if its invisible,its still there,if there was'nt,you couldnt be there at all.There is never nothing,there can never be nothing,so our universe absolutely must be expanding into somewhere that already exists.The very meaning of the word nothing factors itself out and becomes meaningless...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by tkwasny

 

Any place you go,anywhere you can ever imagine,any airless vacum,any void,any dimension,any kind of reality,anywhere at all,there will never be "nothing" there,there has to be some kind of energy or matter existing there even if its invisible,its still there,if there was'nt,you couldnt be there at all.There is never nothing,there can never be nothing,so our universe absolutely must be expanding into somewhere that already exists.The very meaning of the word nothing factors itself out and becomes meaningless...

Non-existence as an absolute is self annihilating the instant any degree of consciousness deflects its awareness in that direction. The fact that non-existence as an absolute cannot exist, and that the terminology that is "Omnipresent" demands existence inside both all and none is the paradox Omniscience uses to uphold the existence of a relative non-existence, and proxies (finite consciousnesses) to experience it and absorb that awareness of "the silence" and "void".

Omniscience employing all omnipotence to become true to the definition of omnipresent is the cause of the One Singularity. Out from this infinite structure of spherical implosion, it is a "one", the first finite. Infinite division/subtraction in the attempt to get to absolute nowhere.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by tkwasny

 

Any place you go,anywhere you can ever imagine,any airless vacum,any void,any dimension,any kind of reality,anywhere at all,there will never be "nothing" there,there has to be some kind of energy or matter existing there even if its invisible,its still there,if there was'nt,you couldnt be there at all.There is never nothing,there can never be nothing,so our universe absolutely must be expanding into somewhere that already exists.The very meaning of the word nothing factors itself out and becomes meaningless...

Space is time that is in the state of non-kinetic (voltage). Time is space that is in the state of kinetic (current). It is the infinite impedence that the current of time impacts that causes the conversion into space. Space without time is infinitesimal in duration, thus it implodes back to the default state of current (time). The instances of impact is "the present". We exist in the narrow bandwidth where space (present) is in the process of returning back into time (all the past).

The infinite impedence is the generated non-existence caused by when that ONE Singularity is moved at an infinite rate in every angular possibility, and, where that Singularity IS NOT as a component of that flight path, is the infinite impedence. Where the Singularity IS, as a component of the flight path is the dimension of height and the infinite expanse. The Singularity is the dimension of depth. The explosion from time current into space (voltage) upon impact at the infinite impedence is the spatial dimension of width.

Like it or not,admit it or not,the strange and perplexing fact remains.Everything we see, hear, taste, touch and smell is happening within our brains and nowhere else...

So when we gaze into outer space,we really dont even know what we are actually looking at,because our limiting five senses are unable to perceive whatever reality truly is and wherever we really are within this void of ancient light thats all around us,we are unable to humanly understand...

The visible wavelength within the electromagnetic spectrum that allows us our vision,is but a fraction of the entire electromagnetic spectrum...

We are not able to see satellite signals,tv programs,cell phone calls and text messages,among many other things,but millions of them are constantly flying all around us and through us every moment of the day and night,yet they remain beyond our sight,just as reality remains beyond our comprehension,but maybe not beyond our imaginations...

Originally posted by Spiratio
reply to post by elouina

 

have you ever considered that your dream was more than a dream

Well, I woke up from a deep sleep when it ended. But what bothered me somewhat is that at the time, I didn't dream at night. For years I noticed that I never dreamed anymore. And later found out that I had sleep apnea 124 times an hour during REM. .

But I have dreamed of other dimensions in the past. I even have an apartment that I return to every time in those dreams. That sits empty until my return. Sort if like a soap opera, The story always continues where it left off. Dreams can be such fun.

What is to be understood by infinity?

"That which has neither beginning nor end; the unknown: all that is unknown is infinite."

Can it be said that God is infinity?

"An incomplete definition. Poverty of human speech incompetent to define what transcends human intelligence."

God is infinite in His perfections, but "infinity" is an abstraction. To say that God is infinity is to substitute the attribute of a thing for the thing itself, and to define something unknown by reference to some other thing equally unknown.

When we say that God is eternal, infinite, unchangeable, immaterial, unique, all-powerful, sovereignty just and good, have we not a complete idea of His attributes?

"Yes, judging from your point of view, because you think that you sum up everything in those terms; but you must understand that there are things which transcend the intelligence of the most intelligent man, and for which your language, limited to your ideas and sensations, has no expressions. Your reason tells you that God must possess those perfections in the supreme degree; for, if one of them were lacking, or were not possessed by Him in an infinite degree, He would riot be superior to all, and consequently would not be God. In order to be above all things, God must undergo no vicissitudes, He must have none of the imperfections of which the imagination can conceive."

God is eternal. If He had had a beginning, He must either have sprung from nothing, or have been created by some being anterior to Himself. It is thus that, step by step, we arrive at the idea of infinity and eternity.

God is unchangeable. If He were subject to change, the laws which rule the universe would have no stability.

God is immaterial, that is to say, that His nature differs from everything that we call matter, or otherwise. He would not be unchangeable, for He would be subject to the transformations of matter.

God is unique. If there were several Gods, there would be neither unity of plan nor unity of power in the ordaining of the universe.

God is all-powerful because He is unique. If He did not possess sovereign power, there would be something more powerful, or no less powerful, than Himself. He would not have created all things and those which He had not created would be the work of another God.

God is sovereignty just and good. The providential wisdom of the divine laws is revealed as clearly in the smallest things as in the greatest and this wisdom renders it impossible to doubt either His justice or His goodness. www.spiritwritings.com...

How long is a piece of string?

Why can't you pluck a frog?

What's the difference between a bucket?

If it never ends,
There is no otherside.

Akushla

reply to post by elouina
Our reality may actually be within the singularity of a super massive black hole,our reality might even be the singularity itself...

reply to post by akushla99
Our universe cant never end,if it has no end then it also has to have had no beginning as well and thats equally impossible.The universe is expanding outwards faster and faster and it must be expanding within another somewhere other than here,another somewhere that already exists.The universe cant be going nowhere,the universe cant be expanding into nothing,because theres never nothing anywhere...

Blow up a balloon under water,our expanding universe is like the air inside the balloon and the water that exists outside of the balloon is like the somewhere else that our universe is expanding within...

reply to post by Shadow Herder
If there is a god,then he/she/it must have originated from somewhere and if there is a god,then he/she/it must look like something,must be something real.So what does god look like? He/she/it has to look like something,if not,god doesnt exist...

Is god a cardboard box?...No

Is god a tree?...I dont think so...

Is god an orb of plasma?...Probably not...

Is god an invisible person that lives in the sky?...I seriously doubt it...

Is god super intelligent and highly advanced,beings from a class-three alien civilization who evolved within another galaxy or within some other dimension,who designed our holographic reality?...Most likely...

They were the original species of beings who evolved into virtual super men and super women and they seeded the stars,terraformed barren worlds and filled some of them with water,with light and with life...

Their technological advancements and psychological developements would be so incredibly far beyond our own that we would perceive some of them as our rain,wind and snow...

They would be able to travel backwards and forwards anywhere within the past,present and future...

They would be able to harvest suns and place them near the event horizons of super massive black holes and channel the energies those interactions would produce...

They created a race of bi-pedal humanoids who eventually evolved into who and what we are upon a planet we call earth...

They endowed our living,breathing bodies with five senses of awareness that allow us to perceive of illusions we call eternity,infinity and forever...

They are god...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by akushla99

 

Our universe cant never end,if it has no end then it also has to have had no beginning as well and thats equally impossible.The universe is expanding outwards faster and faster and it must be expanding within another somewhere other than here,another somewhere that already exists.The universe cant be going nowhere,the universe cant be expanding into nothing,because theres never nothing anywhere...

Blow up a balloon under water,our expanding universe is like the air inside the balloon and the water that exists outside of the balloon is like the somewhere else that our universe is expanding within...

edit on 30-12-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

"...can't, never..." is a double negative...which means, what you have said is...it can! I'm sure this is not what you meant to say.

From all accounts, there was a 'time' when the 'switch' of material existence, was OFF (In the beginning...). Incidentally this account does not only come from the Christian perspective.
At some point, by some force, the 'switch' was turned to ON. (This also is not just a Christian perspective)
OFF - no-thing. ON - every-thing.
Most, if not all, 'creation myths' reflect the notion, that, there is more than one 'state'...some, describe series of states, experienced as 'ages', or, as one 'myth' nominates it, Yugas. These Yugas are phenomenalised as repeating. The repeating serves to present a 'locale' in which the uplift of consciousness can perform the uplift in a dualistic fashion.

Whether the 'Universe' we experience in any one state is endless or not is merely an interesting question, since the edges of it are moot, and somewhat inconsequential to the state we are in, at any one time...the piece of string is as long as you want it to be!

...and if you speak in such absolutes, you are absolutely right about those absolutes, and this will inform your vision of what IS or ISNT...

Akushla

reply to post by akushla99
Surely this "threads question" is a lot more than just "interesting"...

Because it just happens to be the most profound and perplexing enigma of all,it is even beyond god and we are born,we are living and we are dying within this mind bending mystery right now and have been for a very long time.Whatever the answer,it will be The Truth Revealed and it will explain who we really are,what we are,why we are here and where we are all going...

Maybe the universe isnt moving outwards,maybe its not really expanding at all,maybe it just appears that way to our limited five senses because its actually a holographic illusion? > "are we living inside a giant hologram? > io9.com...

Originally posted by blocula
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Surely this "threads question" is a lot more than just "interesting"...

Because it just happens to be the most profound and perplexing enigma of all,it is even beyond god and we are born,we are living and we are dying within this mind bending mystery right now and have been for a very long time.Whatever the answer,it will be The Truth Revealed and it will explain who we really are,what we are,why we are here and where we are all going...

Maybe the universe isnt moving outwards,maybe its not really expanding at all,maybe it just appears that way to our limited five senses because its actually a holographic illusion? > "are we living inside a giant hologram? > io9.com...

edit on 31-12-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

I'm glad you agree. Although I question the vital importance you place on the original question...which is why I nominated it as simply 'interesting'.
You are alluding to boundlessness (or the lack of). Containment within a hologram is also a moot point...all parts are contained within every 'piece'...boundlessness...
...In the beginning, there was no-thing...then, there was every-thing...'inbreath-outbreath'...

Cheers
Akushla

The human embryo,any embryo within its mothers womb is oblivious to the fact that there exists a void of ancient light called outer space.The unborn embryo has no ability to realize and is unable to understand the fact that it is actually within and a part of that void and the unborn embryo is unaware that its about to be born into another reality,another dimension...

Just as all of us here on earth are unable to fully realize what other unimaginable realities there are that exist somewhere beyond our universe,a place that remains beyond our brains comprehension.But like the embryo that is born into another world,when we die we will once again,all alone,one by one,be born into another reality and the answer to this threads question will be revealed...

The Truth that has already been unveiled and is now known by billions of people who have already died before us.Their souls have passed beyond this physical realm of materialistic illusions and they have already entered another reality,another dimension,a somewhere beyond here that we are all about to enter within and any moment of any day we will suddenly find ourselves there,born again...

Well as you might expect other people have pondered this subject.

Some say that the universe is closed, that means self contained and there is no other side.

Some say that past the edge of the universe, is nothing, in that there is no ether or quantum foam or Dirac Sea. Just pure vacuum of space. Since there is nothing there it has no physical space. It is another dimension.

Now if you rip a hole in space-time, that is if you create a wormhole, and create a tunnel through the quantum foam, remove it, then you could travel through a wormhole without resistance. Take a shortcut across the universe since the quantum foam is what prevents you or anything with mass from going faster than light.

So that wormhole, would have a pure vacuum inside of it, like what is past the edge of the universe.


Now Maxwell studied that space beyond the edge of the universe when he was discussing Newton and absolute space as did Ernst Mach and Einstein.

Newton spun a bucket and came to the conclusion there was an ether, since the liquid in the bucket was acting like it was interacting with some sort of something that was forcing the water up the sides of th bucket.

Later people would spin a superfluid and find tiny vortices and come to the same conclusion that there must be something like an ether that is grainy, (the quantum foam perhaps) that interacts with objects that have mass.

So for a really great intellectual study of that region past the border of the universe into vacant space, Maxwells studies of the ether and Newton's bucket and absolute space would be a great thing to look into.

Let me see if I can find you some sort of starting point...
Look up newton's bucket edge of the universe
I am sure if you search for a while you will find more and better information than at that link, I just can't find it right now.

The conclusion was that if you spun the bucket past the edge of the universe it would not go up the sides of the bucket, in fact there would be no inertia.
All this led to wormhole theory etc and n dimensional space, and we now just refer to any space outside the universe as n dimensional space (or Hilbert space) see Hilbert et al.

And at Saint Andrews is the greatest library of inttectual study ever put together in one place. The biographical study of all great mathmaticians and what they discovered.

Here is Hilbert

So n dimensional space, Hilbert space and hyperspace. All basically the same concept.

Space that is outside of this 3 physical 1 time 4 dimensional space-time.
Our physical universe.

You can think of it easily by pretending that originally during the big bang quantum foam was somehow created, and is expanding, and as far as there is this quantum foam, that is still so tiny the bubbles are Plank length in diameter, but as far as this foam reaches there is space-time, and outside of that is either hyperspace or vacant space same thing. Unless there is a multiverse in which case there might be some other kind of foam there maybe different sized bubbles or who knows what.

If there was ever one person who would have known the answer,could have figured out this perplexing mystery,or who perhaps already knew,it would have been this simple man from India,self taught,who was one of the greatest geniuses who ever lived...Srīnivāsa Rāmānujan,born december 22nd 1887,died april 26th 1920,age 33 > en.wikipedia.org...

"Srinivasa Ramanujan was India's greatest mathematician and one of the greatest mathematicians who ever lived. He failed every subject in college except math, which he totally emerged himself in. Food had to be forced down his throat because he wouldn't stop his calculations to eat. It is impossible to estimate this mans I.Q.,since he faired so poorly in all subjects except math,but never the less it must have been extremely high" > aboutfacts.net...