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USPS to default on $5.5 billion on pensions by the end of the month

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 09:18 AM

Originally posted by BioSafe
reply to post by MentalGiant

Sounds like you have a problem with anger.

Well at least that’s what my wife tells me when I speak of issues involving our Country. SORRY Giant I just wanted to see how it felt to say that. It didn’t feel good by the way and I don’t recommend trying it. .

Fu(&!n A right my brother let the free market determine the success or failure of all entities (Govt included).

Our system (Govt) as a whole is showing itself to be a bloated failure. The USPS, IRS, FDA, EPA and USDA to name a few contribute nothing; however these institutions consume a tremendous amount of our national resources.

When an entity has a business model that does not require itself to be self supporting, it will not be innovative and will not advance and should die.

In my business as in yours we need to not only work hard but work smart. Unfortunately the above entities prey on the small business owner’s hard work, skill, intelligence and ability to take risks to which they subsidize their leaking coffers with holes made from bad judgment, incompetence and outright failure

The fruits of the successful business owner are distributed by our failed system to those entities or persons that cannot or will not contribute to society. The USPS is a noble institution with many fine people which has been corrupted by apathetic, politically appointed failures of the free market system. Unfortunately with our failed federally controlled educational system and multi generational, malt liquor drinking, porch sitting, entitlement program recipients, we as a nation will follow the same delivery rout and will be delivered first class and overnight to the same destination as the currant USPS

Thank You for the delivery. Well said...Very Articulate.....Tell your wife,,,she is a sissy..LOL....Its funny,, some Mental Midgits here think I am saying "No More Mail Delivery System". But then again, thats the weaker victim mentality I disagree with to begin with.

You understand the basis for my position....that is enough.

Simply Put. I do not agree with bailing out the USPS to the tune of $5.5 BILLION dollars...If the people who run it are too stupid to run it, amd have driven it into the ground, then bury the loser!
I believe some privately held company should have the right to replace them, and create a better, profitable, more streamlined situation. This w3ould create a free enterprise system for mail delivery creating competition, which would create cheaper, more efficient, companies....

I like all of you people. I like your Grandmas. I like the stupid people, the weak people, the smart peoiple, the ugly people, all people...I do not think I am better than anyone. I just wish people would understand that sinking billions of dollars into failed government programs is BAD, and the USPS is no exception..

Your Grandma, and your redneck woodsy friends will still get their mail from someone else for less and cheaper.
That is all....

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 09:22 AM

Originally posted by phishfriar47

Originally posted by Flyer
reply to post by MentalGiant

I would have hoped a private education would have taught you how to spell "the".

Your post is a flat out lie, you use roads, the government provides those.

Wrong....the citizens paid for those roads via taxes and the citizens of the United States built those roads with their labor and hard work.

The government may have facilitated or organized the oversight of building said roads, but either way i dont look at them as my savior just because we have a highway system. I see it as one of 2 scenarios, either we have roads because the citizens NEEDED roads for viable transportation and demanded that need be met, or we have roads hinged off of back door deals and corruption. (Did Ford Motor Co. or Henry Ford pay elected officials off to make the car more appealing with having nice roads to drive on ~extreme hypothetical example, not verified by any facts, just a thought~) The latter part of this is still irrelevant due to the fact that the government has no money unless taken from the people, and therefore no means to provide anything without direct intervention of the US Citizenry's dollars. Now HOW they spend that money is what they ARE responsible for and theyve been pretty much screwing that up for awhile now. Wasted money on wars and social programs that dont really help anybody or the underlying problems.

On a side note, whats with all the Grammar Nazis? havent yall figured out that not every one, nor every thing is perfect? Whats with pointing out a small typographical error in an otherwise well written intelligent post? Obviously that person had the intellectual capability of forming a structured thread and responses. I understand if their whole writing style is screwed up and filled with errors to the point of being incomprehensible, but geez guys, everyone makes mistakes.

OUCH! Flyer got PUNKED!!!!! LOL

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 09:22 AM
I just read the PRivate Express Statutes thing about how it is forbidden (since 1792) for private carriers to mail letters, the USPS can allow it, but they can also forbid it as it is a Government sanctioned monopoly.
Really cut the USPS mail service down to 3 days a week, and be done with it. keep the offices open but delivery tuesday wednesday thursday would be fine.
UPS doesn't deliver saturday to residence AFAIK, it doesn't hurt them any USPS can do the same.
this is silly. it is a fialing business yet they want it status quo, change something for Pete's sake

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 09:33 AM
I am a frequent shipper and to be honest the USPS is the best at what they offer. They have priority flat mail service that allows me to ship something from coast to coast guaranteed within 2 days. UPS can't touch that neither can Fedex. Or shall I say without charging a ridiculous fee. Not to mention for me and my small business it allows me to have things going out 6 days a week. When I order something and have the option of getting it shipped USPS or the others I always choose USPS because its gonna get here quicker and I don't miss out just because it s a weekend. I hope they can reasonably work something out and keep it afloat.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 09:34 AM
reply to post by Vitchilo

You are not worry are you Vtichilo, you know that our generous government thanks to the tax payer will be bailing out, I guess the government is waiting to see if the law sue against the big banks will yield some results.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 09:55 AM
reply to post by Vitchilo

You Said:

So the USPS is asking Congress for permission to cut 120,000 employees, shed another 100,000 through attrition and ...


the Postal workers union has those employees locked up in their positions, benefits & retirements...

those 120,000 job cuts will not come as a 'savings'... because any workers that get axed will still receive their payrolls for an extended time line, lets say 2 years out of seperation pay & of course little deductions for continued health/dental benefits

the Union has it so that last year (or 2009) there was over 1.2 million man hours paid to workers who were sitting in the break rooms, because there was not enough 1st class mail to be sorted or routed....but their union has a strict thing about layoffs... the workers are paid instead as being on 'standby' duty

this is outrageous... pretty much like the socialized southern & mediiterranian nations of the EU where idleness is rewarded handsomely....

google the article, it's only been since about last wednesday, on some pop culture site concerned with people.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:52 PM

...Simply Put. I do not agree with bailing out the USPS to the tune of $5.5 BILLION dollars...If the people who run it are too stupid to run it, amd have driven it into the ground, then bury the loser!
posted on 5-9-2011 @ 10:18


the USPS has constraints put upon their operations and how it is run... principally by the Union for the letter-carriers...

the workers are under 'contract' constraints and stipulations that over-ride the authority of the persons in charge, (the GS 15's and above) ... they cannot institute new work rules to get rid of the dead-wood or inefficiencies...

i remind you the bankers and mortgage providers were under orders from the Administrative Branch to make this nation an 'Ownership Society'
so the banks & mortgagers who knew better, had to comply and award Liar Loans and mortgages that the buyer could not reasonably afford.... they became Too-Big-Too-Lose, through no fault of their own greedy butts....

i see the USPS as being in the same untenable situation where the Union runs the mad-house instead of the persons who either earned their USPS positions or were appointed as a reward for campaign contributions

so don't blame the department heads, blame the greddy Union and the System that appears to be socialist to a fault


Additionally here's a more concise take on the coming crisis at the USPS:

A combination of labor costs and a declining number of packages and letters has the United States Postal Service running short on cash.
The independent government agency will be unable to make a $5.5 billion payment to its employee healthcare plan by the Sept. 30 due date.

“Our situation is extremely serious,” the postmaster general, Patrick R. Donahoe, told the Times. “If Congress doesn’t act, we will default.”

To avoid insolvency, Donahoe says needs Congress to approve the elimination of Saturday delivery and the undoing of the agency's contract with its union to allow it to layoff up to 120,000 works. The Post Office is also planning to close 3,700 locations

see ---- two of the caveats i attempted to explain.... Union interference, & just too generous benefits packages !!

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:14 PM
What is killing the UPS is what is killing most good jobs for the hard working and productive class in the US, no enough demand.

We don't need the UPS anymore and they already have their fair share of competition, still with the birth of the INTERNET very soon even the US postal will become obsolete.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Only old people still use the USPS, normal people just use email.

"normal people"(?) Good grief...
You mean the ones 'with"earrings" in places where no "earring" was ever designed to go?

Added: So it costs$7.00 to send something "fedex" and only a $1.85 through the usps; Where do you think the other $5.15 comes from? thin air? This is one case where I might be persuaded
"socialist subsidizing" (at a loss) may be warranted.

Just don't expect production,efficiency or performance.(ask the "bare shelved;endlessly- queing" ex-soviets").

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:51 PM
If the USPS was cost efficient to begin with, this wouldn't be a problem. With the advent of technologies of the computer age and phones, this it the next iceman delivery guy going down the drain. The big problem is the pensions and of course the Tax payers will end up bailing them out also.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:56 PM
Imo what's wrong with the USPS is the same problem that the auto industry faced/faces. The unions are choking it to death, in my area they were hiring postal clerks ( the people that sit there and weigh and sort mail that people bring in) at $20 an hour. to me they are getting over paid, to just sit there. and demand is low, especially when you have to shell out the equivalent of a quarter tank of gas on stamps, and I know they're losing money on "if it fits, it ships."

Secondly the amount of workers, mail trucks, etc, is astounding. and think of all that gas. awhile back they had talked about making the delivery people park their trucks at the front of a subdivision and walk to each mail box.

I don't know of a good solution, but the problem is huge. especially on the tax payer.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by Kingbreaker

Actually my friend over 20 dollars an hour is what a good pay job with benefits is all about, one that will ensure a retirement or good pension, that was the dream that many fought hard to achieve.

Now our nation has gone back wards our working class is been eroded good paying jobs are replaced with more and more low wages and no benefits jobs.

Perhaps the younger generation doesn't understand what that means because that is all they will have available in this nation as our economy keep going down the crapper.

Poverty is what is in the future, even for college graduates this days.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 03:36 PM
companies like UPS ARE NOT the answer. i absolutely HATE having something ups'd to me. unless one is home all day (and even then it doesn't always work), you will not get your package. if you are expecting a package you have to waste an entire day as it will be delivered whenever is convenient for them. in the last two years i have had several ups deliveries that i have had to pick up at the station which is located in the middle of nowhere and pretty much need a car to get to. i have also had to drive out to meet up with drivers to get my packages, (waiting in a parking lot for them feels rather wrong for some reason). for business ups works, for home NOT. unless they start delivering at night as well as during the day (when one is typically at work), or calling ahead to arrange a delivery time that is convenient to you, it fails miserably.

out of at least ten deliveries i have actually received them in my home maybe twice. i have also BEEN HOME all day and find a note that evening that i was apparently not at home (i didn't even leave my apartment all day, so that i wouldn't miss the call that the package had arrived). it was actually amusing one night at the depot as the 40 or so people trying to pick up packages (that they apparently could not receive due to having a JOB) started to compare notes on ups's service (i seriously thought a riot might break out, people were getting that heated up at the lousy ups service).

no companies like ups can not do the job of the postal service, therefore the postal service is very needed.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 05:56 PM

Originally posted by MentalGiant
Why do we need the USPS?

They are outdated, too expensive, too slow, full to the brim with less than intelligent useless eaters, not competitive, I could go on for days....

They are another useless black hole in out budget, like the FED, IRS, etc....

I havent mailed a letter in years. my postal delivery lady just recently begged me to mail letters so she wont lose her job.....Sounds liberal, and socialist...Begging me to support her to keep her job.

I told her to learn a viable trade and get a job that was necessary, and that I will not support the USPS out of guilt.
Then I went inside and responded to 300 emails, scheduled FED ex to pick up a package, and marketed my business to 25,000 addresses un my city without spending one penny.....

Because i excercised my right to use free enterprise system in the country, and choose private solvent copanies to do my mailing, and too advantage of competition in the market place.


What about people that have no interest in having the internet? So they will be forced to support a company against their will? Sounds liberal, and socialist. And this may come as a shock to you but not everyplace in the country even has internet access. And you say you send all of these things free? Unless your stealing your internet then you are paying for it.


Who do you think built the internet? Sounds like your benefiting quite a bit from the government.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 06:12 PM
reply to post by generik

UPS kicks most of the competions butts What are you trying to state? UPS is union also?.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
Only old people still use the USPS, normal people just use email.

I am paying on a hospital bill now that does not have any other way to pay but though the mail (will not take payments in person, what is up with that?). Also the tax payment on my house can be paid on line for a free of $5.95 though a 3rd party. We are not ready just yet to not have the USPS.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 06:19 PM
Anybody else see a new tax coming? The USPS is run by the money from stamps, shipping packages, etc. Now this will give them a reason to add a postal tax of some kind. Some have been saying that the art of letter writing is dying. This may be the coup de grace.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 06:21 PM
Pages of discussion, and everyone avoids the facts: they are not failing because of an outdated model, or because no one needs them (have you ever been in a post office? The line is usually long...) its because of the health care costs for all employees have skyrocketed.

So basically, the USPS is failing because of insurance companies.

And also, another reason to show why government regulated health insurance is a good thing. There would be no need for a company to make money off of the government employees.

Americans are so damn stupid. Im ashamed of my country, the lack of logic and common sense destroys me.

Now UPS will take over, and their employees will pay for their own health insurance (because no job offers that as a benefit anymore unless you are upper management) from a private company that will take 1/4 of your months wages for a # plan where still end paying for most of your hospital bill. And in 10 years, everyone will be arguing about that, and how if you cant afford it, then you shouldnt have insurance at all. Dolts.

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 06:23 PM

Originally posted by marg6043
What is killing the UPS is what is killing most good jobs for the hard working and productive class in the US, no enough demand.

We don't need the UPS anymore and they already have their fair share of competition, still with the birth of the INTERNET very soon even the US postal will become obsolete.

you obviously have not heard of this thing called ebay. It is amazing, you can buy things cheap from anywhere, and have them shipped to another place! Its amazing!

Seriously, who are the people that think shipping is obsolete? Do you download medicine? Do you download food? Think people.

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