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reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 01:04 PM by The GUT

Originally posted by KentonKeogh
I'm sorry posting a few video's and naming a few well known equations and 'theories' doe's not provide proof that evolution is false and that we are created.

All current theories involving mathematics, quantum mechanics and physic's break down at the 'big bang' or moment of creation. As we are not so clever yet to prove or disprove creation. Creationist's should maybe consider that evolution was a tool used by a creator, before discrediting actual proven evidence (of evolution) found in many different fields of science.

Indubitably. And well-stated.

I'm a believer and when science gets it right, to me, it just shows us a little of the wonder of how HE did it. There is a greater creative consciousness than our own no matter what you wanna call it.

Science is grand, but it needs to be a talented detective too and follow ALL the clues & evidence. The human genome & DNA break-throughs & implications have literally caused some of the brilliant minds in those fields to go from atheist to agnostic or agnostic to theist.

Not to mention consciousness: That most mystical and non-material phenomena known. Hard science hits a brickwall with consciousness as big as the problem of trying to peer past the big bang.

Science, as noble as it is, finds it arms too short to box with paradox and singularity. I suggest a dash of the actual Grandfather of Science: Philosophy.

reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 02:25 PM by KentonKeogh

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Appreciated.

reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 02:26 PM by smithjustinb

Originally posted by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien
It means that everything in our universe and hyper has been designed, and the constants attest to this.
Evolution is therefore invalid.

Just because we have been created doesn't make evolution invalid. Have you considered that perhaps the way the creator creates is through evolution?

reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 03:07 PM by idonotcollectstamps

Mutations occur. Do you agree? Do you agree that mutations occur?

Mutations that allow a organism to survive better in a given environment than those without the mutations is true. Do you agree with this statement? A herbivore born with a longer neck would have a higher chance of breeding and passing along it's DNA in a environment where most of the food on the lower branches has already been eaten.

Do you agree with this?

It is not rocket science people. It is very very very simple. You do not need to enlist M theory to understand mutations and environmental adaption. Really really simple stuff here kids.

reply posted on 5-9-2011 @ 04:00 PM by MrXYZ

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by MrXYZ

Well he is on to something. If science have concluded the string theory, You can ask who is playing the strings.

If the string is a constant "infinite" a force of some kind within the string must exist to create the changes that formed us out of this string. Because a constant can not change on its own.

If the string is a constant and a infinite, it must also be intelligent to be able to create changes.

No it doesn't...change doesn't require intelligence. Take the Grand Canyon for example. It used to be just planes...until a river carved that canyon. It CHANGED...but unless you wanna call the forces of water "intelligence", there isn't any intelligence involved.

In short: There's NO proof of a creator whatsoever...only blind belief. Obviously that gives some people comfort, but it doesn't make it true.

reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 05:10 PM by PieKeeper

The OP doesn't refute Evolutionary Theory.

Evolutionary Theory deals with currently existing organisms. It says nothing about how our common ancestors came about.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 04:52 AM by spy66

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by MrXYZ

Well he is on to something. If science have concluded the string theory, You can ask who is playing the strings.

If the string is a constant "infinite" a force of some kind within the string must exist to create the changes that formed us out of this string. Because a constant can not change on its own.

If the string is a constant and a infinite, it must also be intelligent to be able to create changes.

No it doesn't...change doesn't require intelligence. Take the Grand Canyon for example. It used to be just planes...until a river carved that canyon. It CHANGED...but unless you wanna call the forces of water "intelligence", there isn't any intelligence involved.

In short: There's NO proof of a creator whatsoever...only blind belief. Obviously that gives some people comfort, but it doesn't make it true.

I agree, the changes you describe do not imply the need for intelligence. But i was not talking about the forming of the Grand Canyon either.

There is more proof of a creator than you can imagine.

Explain to me how a constant can change on its own?

The infinite is a constant. The string theory refers to this: how can this string change on its own?

-How did "pi" become to be pi?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 05:23 AM by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by MrXYZ

Well he is on to something. If science have concluded the string theory, You can ask who is playing the strings.

If the string is a constant "infinite" a force of some kind within the string must exist to create the changes that formed us out of this string. Because a constant can not change on its own.

If the string is a constant and a infinite, it must also be intelligent to be able to create changes.

No it doesn't...change doesn't require intelligence. Take the Grand Canyon for example. It used to be just planes...until a river carved that canyon. It CHANGED...but unless you wanna call the forces of water "intelligence", there isn't any intelligence involved.

In short: There's NO proof of a creator whatsoever...only blind belief. Obviously that gives some people comfort, but it doesn't make it true.

I agree, the changes you describe do not imply the need for intelligence. But i was not talking about the forming of the Grand Canyon either.

There is more proof of a creator than you can imagine.

Explain to me how a constant can change on its own?

The infinite is a constant. The string theory refers to this: how can this string change on its own?

-How did "pi" become to be pi?

According to these evolutionists, Pi, just evolved.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 05:52 AM by john_bmth

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

No, pi is a mathematical concept that describes the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. Such geometric shapes exist in nature, therefore they can be described with mathematics. This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution whatsoever. The fact you think it does only shows your ignorance of the fields of evolution and mathematics.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 06:04 AM by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

No, pi is a mathematical concept that describes the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. Such geometric shapes exist in nature, therefore they can be described with mathematics. This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution whatsoever. The fact you think it does only shows your ignorance of the fields of evolution and mathematics.

I know what Pi is, i was simply saying evolutionists, have no clue what it is.
You deserve a treat for your answer, good boy!

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 06:27 AM by john_bmth

reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

So instead of rebutting my response you've resorted to making petty remarks? And I thought this thread couldn't descend any further into a farce...

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 07:19 AM by Astyanax

reply to post by john_bmth

So instead of rebutting my response you've resorted to making petty remarks?

That’s all he can do. How can he possibly argue his own case? There is no case to argue.

I predict a short and spectacularly inglorious career for this member.

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:25 PM by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

No, pi is a mathematical concept that describes the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. Such geometric shapes exist in nature, therefore they can be described with mathematics. This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution whatsoever. The fact you think it does only shows your ignorance of the fields of evolution and mathematics.

It sure is. But what you say tell us nothing about how these circles/twists came to be.

The string theory is about vacuums, different types of vacuums. How did the absolute vacuum form the circles and twists that gave us "pi" ?

A vacuum that is absolute can not form something naturally, because it would be a constant. How can a constant bend it self and create M-Theory, pi and all the other theories?

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reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:38 PM by john_bmth

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

No, pi is a mathematical concept that describes the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. Such geometric shapes exist in nature, therefore they can be described with mathematics. This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution whatsoever. The fact you think it does only shows your ignorance of the fields of evolution and mathematics.

It sure is. But what you say tell us nothing about how these circles/twists came to be.

The string theory is about vacuums, different types of vacuums. How did the absolute vacuum form the circles and twists that gave us "pi" ?

And what exactly do you mean by "tells us nothing how these circles/twists came to be"?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:42 PM by john_bmth

A vacuum that is absolute can not form something naturally, because it would be a constant.

What you are saying does not make any sense. What exactly does this have to do with creationism?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:45 PM by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

No, pi is a mathematical concept that describes the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. Such geometric shapes exist in nature, therefore they can be described with mathematics. This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution whatsoever. The fact you think it does only shows your ignorance of the fields of evolution and mathematics.

It sure is. But what you say tell us nothing about how these circles/twists came to be.

The string theory is about vacuums, different types of vacuums. How did the absolute vacuum form the circles and twists that gave us "pi" ?

And what exactly do you mean by "tells us nothing how these circles/twists came to be"?

A absolute vacuum would equal a straight neutral string without circles and twists.

If the absolute vacuum is thee string, within string theory. How did the string change on its own and create circles and twists?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:46 PM by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth

A vacuum that is absolute can not form something naturally, because it would be a constant.

What you are saying does not make any sense. What exactly does this have to do with creationism?

Everything. Don't you get it.

How can a constant change on its own?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:47 PM by john_bmth

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth

A vacuum that is absolute can not form something naturally, because it would be a constant.

What you are saying does not make any sense. What exactly does this have to do with creationism?

Everything. Don't you get it.

How can a constant change on its own?

If something changes, it's not constant. What exactly does this have to do with creationism?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 12:48 PM by john_bmth

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by RadeonGFXRHumanGTXisAlien

No, pi is a mathematical concept that describes the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. Such geometric shapes exist in nature, therefore they can be described with mathematics. This has absolutely nothing to do with evolution whatsoever. The fact you think it does only shows your ignorance of the fields of evolution and mathematics.

It sure is. But what you say tell us nothing about how these circles/twists came to be.

The string theory is about vacuums, different types of vacuums. How did the absolute vacuum form the circles and twists that gave us "pi" ?

And what exactly do you mean by "tells us nothing how these circles/twists came to be"?

A absolute vacuum would equal a straight neutral string without circles and twists.

If the absolute vacuum is thee string, within string theory. How did the string change on its own and create circles and twists?

How have you gone from vacuums to string theory to geometric shapes? What exactly does this have to do with creationism?

reply posted on 7-9-2011 @ 01:29 PM by spy66

reply to post by john_bmth

Right: Just leave it.