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The Pentagon Attack on 9/11: A Refutation of the Pentagon Flyover Hypothesis

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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The Pentagon Attack on 9/11: A Refutation of the Pentagon Flyover Hypothesis Based on Analysis of the Flight Path


By Frank Legge
(B.Sc., Ph.D., Chemistry)
and
David Chandler
(B.S. Physics, M.S.,Mathematics)

September 2011



It is important to distinguish between devious false claims, intended to weaken the truth movement, and false claims which result from accidental errors. There can be errors of interpretation of evidence, calculation errors and misleading testimonies from witnesses who fail to correctly remember the event they observed and describe.

An example of an unfortunate calculation error is found in the work of Pilots for 9/11 Truth (PFT).

One of the reasons why PFT may be reluctant to utilize the newly decoded last frame of data in the FDR file is that the concept that the plane could not have hit the Pentagon, and therefore must have flown over, is supported by the Citizen Investigation Team (CIT). In this paper we examine the flyover theory presented by CIT and find it to be false.

...the accumulated evidence that a large commercial aircraft hit and damaged the Pentagon is now so substantial that we should plainly assert that impact did occur. The natural corollary to the proposition that impact occurred is that the claimed north path, and consequent flyover of the Pentagon, is false. The physical implausibility of the north path proposition will be demonstrated in this paper.
Link to Paper

As the snippets above from the paper show, this paper goes into great detail about the alleged "flyover" that CIT likes to advertise without any evidence. This paper also discusses how PFT made erroneous calculations in the flight path and will not accept the current data that is available.

This paper should finally put to rest any and all doubt that there was no flyover, and that a plane did strike the Pentagon on 9/11 as the evidence suggests.





edit on 5-9-2011 by _BoneZ_ because: edited title




posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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This paper should finally put to rest any and all doubt that there was no flyover, and that a plane did strike the Pentagon on 9/11 as the evidence suggests.


This paper sure did change my whole perspective, because paper has magical powers!

You know what will put all this speculation and conspiracy debating to bed? Releasing the 87+ surveillance videos from the Pentagon on 9/11.
Let us all see what really hit the Pentagon that is clearer than 5 frames of a white blur.










edit on 5-9-2011 by JibbyJedi because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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S&F Interesting thread. I concur, I didn’t by the paper either, it was an interesting read, however I found it very opinionated at best. The fact is the author refuses to write about is the small impact hole and the unbroken windows on each side of the entry hole and the unbroken window in the upper floors above the impact hole.

Only one engine was recovered and the lack of airplane debris in the impact entry hole. Earlier photos taken right after alleged plane strikes Pentagon show no wreckage, yet photos taken later on in same angles show airplane debris, none of it makes any sense.

I felt the author was being one sided with the eyewitness accounts and not showing witness who saw a plane coming in on a different approach.
I am not convince a plane hit the Pentagon the reason is the visual evidence doesn’t match the OS.

edit on 5-9-2011 by impressme because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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That's about the best you're going to get from the 85+ video tapes that were recieved after 9/11. There's a list of the contents available, which I'll post if you ask me nicely.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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Pretty please


I just spent 9 mins watching those and not seeing any plane whatsoever. The 2nd one has cars you can see clearly but no plane?

The wings folded back....

There were still unbroken glass windows....

The hollow aluminum part punched several holes through the layers of walls....

People believe this stuff.

I also believed at one time the "tips" of the plane's wings punctured through steel encased in concrete in both towers. If I could throw an aluminum ball with a rock inside of it at the speed of sound, I doubt I'd puncture through concrete never mind with steel girders.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Funny how "truthers" Frank Legge and David Chandler seem to spend more time trying to refute claims from other truthers rather than the official story.

Go small-tent'ers!



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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What would you suggest is a better idea for what hit it? With the plane theory, there were witnesses and many pictures of debris all over the field around the impact site.

To my knowledge, missiles give a pretty big shock wave when they hit, blowing out windows. It actually lends to the idea that Flight 93 that went down in a field may have had a bomb on it. The shock wave that the man 10 miles away described was strong enough to suggest that.

With the pentagon you do not have this. You have sightings of a plane, warnings of a low-flying plane in restricted airspace, and then you have the pentagon being hit. The impact most likely shredded up the plane on the inside for the most part, and the rest of the debris was blown out by the fuel explosion.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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The list of 85 videos

Five videotapes were recovered from the post-attack Pentagon crime scene and submitted to the FBI Laboratory in Quantico.

13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.
One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information

8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.
One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape

Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.
One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
One (1) VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape

Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.
One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing

Received at Washington Field Office Command Post

These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:
One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)

Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape

Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.
One (1) Betacam video tape
One (1) HDCAM video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Mini DV video tape maked in part Antonio M.
One (1) DVC PRO video tape
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5A of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1471 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1788 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1808 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1813 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B530 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1563 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1051 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1787 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B2406 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1276 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "CNN RE: BURN VICTIM..."
One VHS video tape marked in part "NIGHTLINE 2/15/2002"

Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico, under communication dated 5/13/2002.
One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) TDK 8mm video tape

Video obtained by FBI on 9/28/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of WTC after attacks, obtained by Suffolk County, New York Police Department.
One Hi 8mm video cassette tape from Eileen McMahon

Video obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of second plane hitting WTC and aftermath.
One Mini DV 60 video cassette tape

Video submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico under cover of communication dated 9/22/2001. Obtained by FBI NK from Dime Savings Bank, Nutley, New Jersey
One TDK T-160 VHS video tape

Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.
One (1) home Video of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

Video from DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. Camera repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.
One (1) videotape

Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.
One (1) videotape

Copy of home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by AP photographer using camera borrowed from nearby motorist. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.
One (1) duplicate video cassette tape dated 9/11/01

Video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001.
One (1) CD containing 2 video files



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Video from security camera at Citgo Gas Station, 801 S. Joyce Street, Arlington, Virginia. Submitted to FAVIAU to determine if video showed impact of plane into Pentagon. Determined not to show impact. Obtained by FBI on 9/11/2001.
One (1) JVC EHG Hi-Fi videocassette, labeled Day 11 Quarters K

Video from security camera at Doubletree Hotel, 300 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia. Security video showing rotating footage from different camera locations at hotel; no camera captures impact of plane into Pentagon.
One (1) TDK video tape marked "11C"

Images captured by two separate cameras at the entrance to the Pentagon Mall Terrace parkinng lot. Images capture the impact of the plane into the Pentagon from two different cameras. Obtained from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency via USA/EDVA.
One (1) CD-ROM



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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My opinions means very little, what evidence we have seen doesn’t match the OS. The fact is the FBI, and the FAA did not investigate any of the crash scenes, first time in aviation history four commercial air crafts go down and there is no investigation, I don’t care to hear all the excuses to why there was no investigation this is not how the FAA, or the FBI handles plane crashes they did not follow their usual protocols. Four commercial airliners go down in one day and they are not interested to be investigated, come on. It certainly appears the government is covering up something. Apparently the government has all the answers, yet the evidence is not there to back up their claims and there is no one alive from those cashes that can tell us otherwise, so we are to believe in the governments words or faith after they have been caught lying repeatedly and changing their OS about 911. Sorry I am not buying the OS of the Pentagon incident on government faith. I would like to see the serial numbers to the time change out parts and let’s see if they match the alleged aircraft.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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NO DOUBT



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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757 hits the Pentagon…BOOOOOOM BAAAAM ZAAAP. Where is the rest of the plane? Were the seats? Where are the bodies? Does anyone even know who was on that “Plane”? Man this is the smoking gun of the 911 conspiracy, that and flight 93 that went down over farm land. As we draw closer to the anniversary all you will hear talk about is the towers.



posted on Sep, 6 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
This paper should finally put to rest any and all doubt that there was no flyover, and that a plane did strike the Pentagon on 9/11 as the evidence suggests.



I find it interesting that Frank Legge has been unable to find one aviation professional to endorse his claims and sign their name to any of the Legge papers on the Pentagon. While a plethora of aviation professionals have thoroughly discredited the claims made by Legge.

An interesting read is found here:

Frank Legge Begging For Peer Reviewers For Pentagon Paper, gets deleted at 911Blogger, LOL



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