Ten years after 9/11, the conspiracy theorists are still telling lies!

Originally posted by pshea38
How can the cladding repair itself on the way down?

That aspect of the "conspiracy lies" has already been properly explain in this post on ATS. Here's the evidence...


It's just a piece, of the millions of pieces, of debris. Of course, when the conspiracy fakers zoom in and crop to purposefully omit context, the lie is more easily told.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by BillfromCovina
You said you have seen more purposeful lies from those proposing 9/11 conspiracies than those supporting the official story. So what, in your opinion, is the purpose?

I believe some of the early "conspiracy fakery" intended to discredit conspiracy theories began in late 2001, early 2002. Last year I tried to track down the short documentary by a French film maker that was among the first, if not first, pieces of material to propose no plane hit the Pentagon and several other of the more extremist WTC conspiracy concepts. This short documentary somehow had the budget to purchase TV commercials on several cable networks. Then, it disappeared. Soon after that, the Web Fairy picked up and ran with the ideas presented.

The rest is merely the egos of the various 9/11 factions engaged in tit-for-tat one-upsmanship in the search for attention and follower. Nico Haupt in NYC is a prime example of someone spreading 9/11 conspiracy lies in order to get attention.

Preventing discussions of all the topics is straight out of perception management 101. Even in your post you can't help including 'extremist", as if it's not an extreme theory to claim aluminum jet wing tips can slice structural steel box columns like a hot knife through butter.

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." — Noam Chomsky

Source

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by Ittabena

 

I think the point of this thread may have been missed. It's not whether 911 was an inside job or not but the MSM using tactics to stir up crap and divide the people by labeling them. Unless I missed the point.

This is a question that I have given much thought to. The conceptual definitions encompassing conspiracy theory 9which instantly conjures connotations and political corruption. I think especially in the cases of 911 and JFK, MLK we it is more than possible of that there is political corruption at work some of this work is detracted by the general paradigm of conspiracy theory like the NWO and David Icke's stuff which i don't subscribe to and gives people who want to expose corruption a bad name as they are all labeled with the same brush.

Have a look at the article skepticfreethought.com... dealing with the conceptual definition of conspiracy theory and its boundaries within social science.

Back to the important subject of the thread...

Here is one of the most insane theories to have come out of the "9/11 Truth" idea machine I've ever seen:
911research.wtc7.net

The new ceiling tiles with embedded thin-film explosives and wireless detonators are installed throughout every other floor of the Tower. In all, each Tower gets 500,000 of the large tiles and 400,000 of the small tiles.

He suggests, with an exceptional number of words, that 1.8 million ceiling tiles were replaced with exotic exploding ceiling tiles, each with its own wireless detonator.

This from Jim Hoffman, an active personality who identifies himself as part of 9/11 Truth.

Keeping to the topic at hand, propaganda articles like the one listed are all part and parcel to the whole 911 operation.

“Campaigns with purely emotional content performed about twice as well (31% vs. 16%) with only rational content, and those that were purely emotional did a little better (31% vs 26%) those that mixed emotional and rational content.”

www.neurosciencemarketing.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

People who would use emotional arguments rather than rational arguments are going to be more successful. Propagandists know this, which is why we will see so many emotional arguments on the boards getting so many stars, and so many logical arguments falling by the wayside.

Photographs of the dead, faux outrage over the "honor of their memories", and stories of their survivors' grief are common ways to derail conversations:

Mentions of "Fringe Groups" or "out of the mainstream" are propaganda that denigrates positions held by a minority of people. This propaganda invites the audience to stay with the majority on the bandwagon, instead of deserting the majority.

1. Name-Calling

Name Calling is such an ancient propaganda technique that it is frequently identified by its Latin name, ad hominem attack. For example, a politician who supports law-and-order could criticize his opponent as a "card-carrying ACLU member". A politician who disagrees with a judge can label him/her as a "liberal activist judge". The epithet can be emphasized by frequent, repeated use. For example, using the phrase "liberal activist judge" every time one refers to a judge will have some members of the audience wanting to lynch the judge by the end of the speech.

Sarcasm and ridicule often accompany name calling.

6. Card Stacking

Card stacking refers to the selective presentation of oly facts that are favorable to the desired conclusion, and the deliberate omission of facts that are unfavorable to the desired conclusion. The legal term for card stacking is fraud.

7. Bandwagon

The basic theme of the bandwagon is everyone else is buying the product, so you should too.

Most people prefer to the majority. There at least two reasons why being in the majority is better: (1) the majority is the winner in elections, and the winner has political power., and (2) most people like to be conformists, rather than vulnerable to criticism for being different.

Mentions of "fringe groups" of "out of the mainstream" are propaganda that denigrates positions held by a minority of people. This propaganda invites the audience to stay with the majority on the bandwagon, instead of deserting the majority.

Insisting on a Binary Choice

Another common propaganda technique is for the speaker-writer to insist that the audience make one of two choices: to join with us, or to join with the enemy.

Such a demand is commonly used by religious zealots and political extremists, but once one learns to recognized this propaganda technique, one can find it in speeches and writings of mainstream politicians too

www.rbs0.com...

How many of the above tactics are used in just this one sentence from the OP:

But to believe that the CIA demolished the Twin Towers you have to be a) mad, b) malicious, c) intellectually lazy or d) drunk – Charlie Sheen is a voluble 9/11 sceptic.

Originally posted by pshea38
Any 9/11 path can be trodden as long as the whole notion of 9/11 Media Fakery
and MSM complicity is kept at bay. People cottoning on to these
truths spells disaster for the perpetrators. Media fakery threads are
tossed in the deliberate lie/hoax bin here at ATS, the irony being that the
general public is in fact the victim of the biggest hoax in history.

Is ATS considered MSM now that it is apparently so popular?

Anyone or any 9/11 group that denies and ridicules, after investigation,
the major role that media fakery played in 9/11 can be catagorised as 'sold-out'.
IMO.

Bang on the money.. How come this member was banned ATS? Was he getting too warm?!

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by pshea38
www.septemberclues.info
www.cluesforum.info

"September Clues" is a HOAX and deliberately made-up disinformation. ATS has moved the "September Clues"-related threads to the HOAX bin as a result of it being a proven HOAX. The "September Clues" HOAX and disinformation is debunked in my thread here:

DEW/Energy Weapons? Holograms? TV Fakery? No Planes at the WTC? -- A 9/11 Disinfo Campaign


Then there's this from Sauron:

From this point forward, ONE TV FAKERY THREAD WILL REMAIN OPEN.

This one: SEPTEMBER CLUES exposes 911 TV Fakery
The opening posts of all "TV Fakery" threads will be modified to direct users to this thread. And likewise, this remaining open thread's first post will contain links to important questions raised by our members.

For now, new "TV Fakery" or "No Planes" threads based on the work of this group will be deleted. Please use the existing thread indicated above to add any new material to the discussion. Repeated attempts to start new threads may result in account termination. If we see an improvement in tone, and an effort for collaboration, this restriction will likely be lifted. It's up to them.


It's unfortunate that what seems to be aa habitually malicious group has seen fit to act this way over events that deserve thoughtful debate, open research, and most of all collaborative participation. We've added additional staff to the 9/11 forum, and we'll be watching closely. Members, please help us by using the new "post alert" button when you see issues you believe we should be aware of.


And before we hear potential complaints of an uneven approach to moderation, YES, long-standing members will indeed be favored over the new participants who have shown no respect.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
The staff of AboveTopSecret.com

The Terms and Conditions of ATS also state:

15l.) [HOAX]: In the event you Post more than three items that are later determined to be of an obviously hoax, fraudulent, or faked nature, your account may be terminated without warning.

There's three violations of the T&C just in this thread alone, not to mention all the other previous spam posts of this HOAX in other threads.

Can a mod please deal with this issue?

edit on 4-9-2011 by _BoneZ_ because: (no reason given)

Wow! You got one star from a fellow shill buddy for this reply bonezy! You really grabbed people's attention! LOL

So because you say so it's been 'debunked' and upon lkooking at your daft thread there is no such debunking, just large amounts of shillness going on.

Why are you whining to mods about this being a hoax, especially when it is NOT a hoax. A desperte attempt to get mods onside to help you with your shilling, and I'm sure some mods probably are helpoing you out, maybe even admins, who knows?

Crying to mods about T's & c's etc is just clutching at straws because your fake arguments aren't working anymore.

Until you prove through proper debunking that september clues is a hox (which it is not) then no one will take you seriously. You'll never debunk it though because you CANT, and you'll call it a hoax without anything to back up you claim because you are a 'faker' disinfo agent who has no evidence to debunk anything!

9/11 was a sham and the truth will out.

reply to post by robhines


Agree, here is a clue everyone missed, British false flag attacks in Saudi pre 9/11 to create a new terror group in order to dissuade the Saudis from funding Palestine to the tune of $1 billion dollars. The MI6 agents were however captured. Shortly after, 9/11 happened, draw your own conclusions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...