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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Turkey to sign strategic alliance with Egypt


www.ynetnews.com

Ankara-Cairo relations receive boost as crisis with Israel worsens: Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan slated to visit Cairo and possibly Gaza soon to sign strategic cooperation agreement with Egypt. Meanwhile, recently expelled Israeli ambassador Gaby Levy says there's no chance he will return to Ankara.
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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If you ask me, I'd say they are strengthening ties with neighbouring countries in preparation for an offensive. At least that is what it looks like to me. I think Egypt and Turkey know the time is ripe to stand up to Israel.

Otherwise why would Turkey suddenly cut all ties with Israel and improve co-operation between them and Egypt?

This is getting interesting. Very interesting!



www.ynetnews.com
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edit on 4-9-2011 by Jepic because: to correct a certain part of my text.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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It is interesting as Turkey is part of NATO and allied to the U.S.

I think we can safely say which side the U.S would choose if an attack was to occur.

I guess there are a hell of a lot of diplomatic meetings going on between Turkey and the U.S currently, with regards to what Turkey's agenda is.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Jepic
Otherwise why would both Egypt and Turkey suddenly cut all ties with Israel...



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According to the source Egypt hasn't severed ties with Israel..... yet:


An Egyptian foreign ministry official said that Turkey's decision to expel the ambassador will not propel Egypt to do the same with the Israeli ambassador to Cairo. In an interview with the London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper, the official outlined the differences between the Egyptian and the Turkish cases. "The Turkish decision to expel the ambassador is based on an international UN probe, similar to the investigation Egypt is conducting now. Egypt's decision will be based on this probe."



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
It is interesting as Turkey is part of NATO and allied to the U.S.

I think we can safely say which side the U.S would choose if an attack was to occur.

I guess there are a hell of a lot of diplomatic meetings going on between Turkey and the U.S currently, with regards to what Turkey's agenda is.





I still can't safely say which side the U.S. would choose. We have to keep in mind the well-known fact that Washington D.C. is mainly run by Jewish lobbyists.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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The Thirty-Six Stratagems:

Make a sound in the east, then strike in the west
Befriend a distant state while attacking a neighbour
Point at the mulberry tree while cursing the locust tree


I don't know I still think Syria is next and this is part of the posturing.
edit on 4-9-2011 by TheRemedial because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Jepic
Otherwise why would both Egypt and Turkey suddenly cut all ties with Israel...



www.ynetnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


According to the source Egypt hasn't severed ties with Israel..... yet:


An Egyptian foreign ministry official said that Turkey's decision to expel the ambassador will not propel Egypt to do the same with the Israeli ambassador to Cairo. In an interview with the London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper, the official outlined the differences between the Egyptian and the Turkish cases. "The Turkish decision to expel the ambassador is based on an international UN probe, similar to the investigation Egypt is conducting now. Egypt's decision will be based on this probe."


You're right! My fault.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Putting an Islamic face on new negotiations between Egypt and the West {NATO/US}?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:07 AM
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The lines are being drawn in the sand.

What an interesting position for the United States to be in. What does a lap dog do?

God forbid our congressfolk lose that AIPAC support!!!! We might have to get out of NATO




posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
It is interesting as Turkey is part of NATO and allied to the U.S.

I think we can safely say which side the U.S would choose if an attack was to occur.

I guess there are a hell of a lot of diplomatic meetings going on between Turkey and the U.S currently, with regards to what Turkey's agenda is.





Question is... why would they chose that side if an attack on israel happens? Maybe the us would stand for israel but to get in that mess... hmm I dont know. First the attack would be so fast the us wouldnt have time to mobilize to actually do something. Second troops are spread too thin, that an effort to help israel would result in a perfect opportunity for those countries where the US is in, to start brutal attacks in every "us-occupied" zones... and thats a lot of zones. If the US joins israel they'll have their hands full protecting their own interests.

Either they defend israel or defend themselves... defending israel is a tactical error that will put every us troop in every part of the world with a bullseye in their heads, too many fronts to fight in which they will lose. The us cant risk the fragile equilibrium they try to set up in the middle east - losing is not an option - taking israel's side is biting more than you can chew.

If I was the US, I would morally stand with israel... "condone the attacks" and all that bs... but only by "words", never by action "my heart is with the israeli people" and nice stuff like that... and never ever risk losing all that I've been working on and entering a downward spiral that I could never win - and in the end game I would be risking my own national territory considering the chain reaction and all the big powers that could get involved.

They way I see it, the us saying "I will play too", gives a lot of big guys and not so big guys but still dangerous an excuse.

Attacking israel... the us defending it... would change the face of the planet. When its over, you wouldnt recognize your own planet. It would be a major mistake.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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They wouldn't go on an offensive.

There are a few hundred reasons why there hasn't been a major Arab-Israeli war since 1973 and they all involve the word nuclear.

Turkey and Egypt arn't suicidal, if anything they will wait for the Gulf States, Iran and Israel to go to war some time in the next ten years and after the US disengages from the Middle East. If its nuclear, the Turks and the Egyptians could roll right over the entire Middle East as peacekeepers delivering humanitarian aid. Though I'm sure Turkey and Egypt would get into it after that.

Some think tanks see Turkey in ten years having an imperialist renaissance, a new Turkish empire dominating the Middle East from the Suez, to Mecca, and the Persian Gulf. If Israel and Iran neutralize each other we could easily see a scenario like that.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Really? I thought the U.S just replaced one puppet with another in Egypt?

Maybe they didn't and this is the route they have to follow in order to have some control.

I think we need to keep an eye on this, especially with Turkey providing a naval escort for the Palestinian relief ships. At least the Diplomats will be earning their money!!



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
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Really? I thought the U.S just replaced one puppet with another in Egypt?

Maybe they didn't and this is the route they have to follow in order to have some control.


It was a question not a point of fact.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Is it any surprise, Any links with the West end very badly...Ask Saddam and Ghaddafi, me thinks Mid east countries should unite its the only way they and us stand a chance. We need a balance in the world otherwise Imperialist Capitalism will enslave us all to ONE organisation.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Whats so damn interesting about ties between Turkey and Egypt? They always had strong ties!

Everytime Turkey does'nt get their way with Israel, suddenly they become pals with Syria and Iran.

Nothing interesting at all.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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You deeply underestimate the power of the dark side.


If the US chose to we could rapidly respond to any event anywhere in the world within 24 to 36 hours, we have over 3000 combat aircraft (not including drones), over 100 strategic bombers, over 70 C-5 Galaxy transports, over 230 C-17 transports, 11 Carrier Strike Groups, and 12 Expeditionary Strike Groups.

Also keep in mind we have less than 1/10th of our total forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are not spread thin and we keep contingency plans for every event imaginable.

If we chose to we could not only respond, but overwhelm.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Jepic
 


Some think tanks see Turkey in ten years having an imperialist renaissance, a new Turkish empire dominating the Middle East from the Suez, to Mecca, and the Persian Gulf. If Israel and Iran neutralize each other we could easily see a scenario like that.


good point.

Turkey is the only Muslim NATO member.

could be that "the plan" is to use Turkey as the "gatekeeper".

The region's economy is set to greatly expand soon, all under central bank control.

AND, the "silence of the Saudis" is loud and clear.

Byzantine II perhaps ?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by ken10
Is it any surprise, Any links with the West end very badly...Ask Saddam and Ghaddafi, me thinks Mid east countries should unite its the only way they and us stand a chance. We need a balance in the world otherwise Imperialist Capitalism will enslave us all to ONE organisation.


They are too divided by religion, ethnicity, and language to unite anytime soon.

You are already enslaved by the G-20 and the central banking system.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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This is certainly another discerning development to go a long with the ones that have previous. First, the Turks boot the Israel Ambassador and cut off military ties with Israel, and have sought to increase naval patrols in the Western Pacific. This is not turning out good for anyone, and that goes for the countries mentioned and more or less the world if this thing goes hot. We already know the Israelis stance on the matter following the UN Palmer Report.

Netanyahu: Israel won't back down in Turkey confrontation

Now, will Turkey carry through with what it has been claiming to do in spite of their rejections to the Palmer Report. Will Turkish naval vessels attempt to cross the blockade? Will they follow through on bring this matter before the international court as they have claimed? What affect will this new alliance with Egypt have on this matter? This diplomatic crisis could definitely go hot at any time. Especially with the increase of naval patrols near Israeli waters, and the threats of breaking the blockade by Turkey to escort flotillas.

I have another personal concern, and that is how this will affect the relationship between the US, Israel, and Turkey if rounds begin to fly? The US has obligations to NATO which Turkey is a member of and strategic obligations to Israel. How does the US stay neutral in this matter, and ensure the viability of its alliances with the two nations. This my friends is turning out to be a diplomatic game of chess or quite frankly a diplomatic quagmire where the US could be the odd one out.

The US has a serious conflict of interest in this matter considering its alliance with the two feuding nations. Who will mediate this thing to ensure it does not become hostile? At the very least, why is the US so quite about it, and riding the bench? Better to engage this thing early than later, because they are at each others' throats. I think it is safe to say the UN Security Council needs to convene over this matter, because this could get serious very quickly.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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kinda makes this map

look "real"






Long Article, but "Interesting"... The Daily Princetonian, Princeton’s school/university newspaper, quoted the former German official as making the following statements: [4]



.1. “Europe’s security is no longer defined on its [Europe’s] eastern borders, but in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East.”



.2. “Turkey should be a security pillar for the European community, and the efforts to derail that relationship are impossibly shortsighted.”


Joschka Fischer’s statements also foreshadow Nicolas Sarkozy’s public campaign in the Mediterranean region. Franco-German policy is also exposed in regards to Turkey; before Nicolas Sarkozy was elected in France, Chancellor Angela Merkel intensified her calls for the inclusion of Turkey within the framework of the E.U. through a “special relationship,” but not as part of the actual European bloc. [5] This also foreshadowed what Nicolas Sarkozy would later propose to the Turks.






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