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Right-wing commentator: Poor people voting is ‘un-American’

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
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so lets get to the facts of a myriad of democrats telling us the right are unamerican and unpatriotic and other slurs to marginalize people who disagree with the party line of more government and government has all the answers.

all that communistic goodness and joy(thats right people who push for government as in the collective and in no individual identiy or responsiblity) are the communists in this thread.

but wait anyone who disagrees with that school of thought as in the above quote doesnt know the meaning of the word freedom.

i will tell all this fact that you will argue to infinity every single person receiving their government check or government service has no clue of what the definition of that word means.

a lifetime of enslavement and they chose to sell their votes to maintain their poverty because they are either too stupid or too unwilling and have too many people in this thread who push their own sense of morality on them.

that post said it all janky didnt have nothing in this thread so what did you do as most of your supporters always do make it about the poster instead of looking at the issue at hand.

and the issue at hand is 50 million on welfare another 65 of that other thing they wont call welfare because they cant admit it is out of a country of 300 million and adding more to them and adding more services like them called medicaid and medicare.

and the overiding support for them holding them hostage and fear and scare tactics such has pushing granny off a cliff.

the people who are unamerican in this thread are the people who think government should be taking and paying for everyone in this country and that is a fact.
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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Yea....and what about our prison population? Disenfranchised by legislation. Start a thread on that. I'm sure they stimulate the economy by paying for something and pay some kind of tax. Right?



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by neo96

and the issue at hand is 50 million on welfare another 65 of that other thing they wont call welfare because they cant admit it is out of a country of 300 million and adding more to them and adding more services like them called medicaid and medicare.



Something that has always come to my mind whenever I read posts crucifying all who receive money or other assistance from a governmental agency....

Why aren't the businesses who receive supplements from the gov ever included in the list? Arguably they are every bit as reprehensible as those on welfare, am I correct?

Can you help me understand as to why you never include them in you lists, Neo?



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:31 AM
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like ge and gm and insurance etc the fact is they are on the list but if over 100 million peoples whose sole means of support is the us government doesnt bother you then so be it and that sole means of wealth destruction is by government force.

i am not a fan of any government subisidation from business and finance to agriculture to energy.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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If your on the government dollar I feel you shouldn't be able to vote.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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No, I don't believe anyone should be able to remain on welfare or unemployment for extended periods. Short-term assistance while finding a new job is fine by me. Usually this takes place as a form of insurance anyway. However, if you are being honest about business recipients being on the list as well as individuals, then we should really expect to see you list them as well in your future posts, correct?



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Zaanny
If your on the government dollar I feel you shouldn't be able to vote.


How about if you own or manage or even work for a business who receives government money? Do you deserve a vote then?



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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couldn't this guy just be saying that because humans are inherently selfish, they will vote in a way to improve thier own lives, rather than whats good for the rest of the country supporting them. don't get me wrong, I get it. He prefers the letter R, so lets verbally lynch the guy and ignore whatever hehas to say. FYI the poor don't pay taxes.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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The wealthy vote in their own service too. The idea behind one man one vote is that all people of all persuasions and experiences get a voice. If there are so many poor people that it's messing up the fun for the rich folks, then spread the wealth....

That's the point of giving everyone a vote..
This guy doesn't support democracy unless everyone agrees with his views.Talk about unamerican.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Montana

Originally posted by Zaanny
If your on the government dollar I feel you shouldn't be able to vote.


How about if you own or manage or even work for a business who receives government money? Do you deserve a vote then?



NO....

And if you still believe in the illusion you consider a democracy in America.....

You might wanna wake up and realize the game is fixed...
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by whaaa
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This sort of elitist conservative attitude will in the long run help the progressives. Poor people will now hear of this attack on them and register to vote in record numbers and they will vote in their self interest; just like all members of all political flavors.

And the GOP/TPM calls the progressives elitist........


Errr, in case you didn't know MANY Progressives, and Liberals in power don't like poor people, and even want to "get rid of unwanted poor people"....

Perhaps you are unaware of the statements made by Liberal Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on abortion....


In an interview with the New York Times, Ginsburg admitted that abortion is about getting rid of certain types of people that the elite do not want to have around:

"Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we dont want to have too many of."

futurestorm.blogspot.com...

The world's Socialist elites, which comprises many Liberals, Democrats/Progressives, Socialists etc, are not even afraid to admit that they want depopulation, and population control.

Many of these people, and institutions are the same ones who created the German eugenics program.


Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation

America's richest people meet to discuss ways of tackling a 'disastrous' environmental, social and industrial threat

John Harlow, Los Angeles

SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.

The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.

Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of Americas wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

These people hide behind the claims that "they are doing it for the good of the world", but the truth is that they are using lies, and exagerations only to further their own agendas, which do not include to help mankind but rather to have us under their control.

Some of the new advocates for population control, such as Oprah Winfrey, are probably not aware of the real agenda behind all of this, but who knows maybe they are aware and they don't really care.

The eugenics movement is alive and well today, and it is hiding behind the claim that they are just trying to help mankind, and "save the Earth".

This reminds me of a few quotes which are directly related with this article.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L. Mencken

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt

"Find out just what any people will quitely submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." -Frederick Douglass.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by Zaanny


And if you still believe in the illusion you consider a democracy in America.....

You might wanna wake up and realize the game is fixed...


The United States is not a democracy, and it was never meant to be a democracy.

The United States of America is a Constitutional representative Republic, or Constitutional Republic.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by theXammux
couldn't this guy just be saying that because humans are inherently selfish, they will vote in a way to improve thier own lives, rather than whats good for the rest of the country supporting them. don't get me wrong, I get it. He prefers the letter R, so lets verbally lynch the guy and ignore whatever hehas to say. FYI the poor don't pay taxes.


I concur, most of us are demonizing this man without trying to understand what he said. Despite his lack of tact I think we can all agree there is some merit of truth to what he said.

After all don't you vote to your benefit?



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Zaanny


And if you still believe in the illusion you consider a democracy in America.....

You might wanna wake up and realize the game is fixed...


The United States is not a democracy, and it was never meant to be a democracy.

The United States of America is a Constitutional representative Republic, or Constitutional Republic.


Call it what you want....

It is a hollowed out shell of what our fore fathers envisioned....



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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To the extent that Barack and his ilk target poor people, the guy is right! Don't shoot the messenger. Our welfare system is NOT about helping the poor to get out of poverty, it is about keeping them there to secure a voting base.

Now, do I see anything wrong with poor people voting? Hell no! But, my view on the subject would be like the government supplying crack heads with crack; if the left is the party that supports a "government crack program", then who do YOU think the crack heads would vote for? BINGO! And this is no different. I'm not stereotyping and I'm not going to say welfare recipients spend their check on drugs. I have no idea what they spend it on and honestly, I don't really care. If our welfare system is set up in such a way that druggies can take advantage of it, then shame on the government for letting that happen. What the government should be spending that money on is education

That being said, the guy could have been more tactful but I totally see his point. If you don't, it's because you don't want to. If 80-year old granny can get a job as a greeter at Wal-Mart, then 90% of the welfare recipients can get a job as well.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by axslinger
To the extent that Barack and his ilk target poor people, the guy is right! Don't shoot the messenger. Our welfare system is NOT about helping the poor to get out of poverty, it is about keeping them there to secure a voting base.

Now, do I see anything wrong with poor people voting? Hell no! But, my view on the subject would be like the government supplying crack heads with crack; if the left is the party that supports a "government crack program", then who do YOU think the crack heads would vote for? BINGO! And this is no different. I'm not stereotyping and I'm not going to say welfare recipients spend their check on drugs. I have no idea what they spend it on and honestly, I don't really care. If our welfare system is set up in such a way that druggies can take advantage of it, then shame on the government for letting that happen. What the government should be spending that money on is education

That being said, the guy could have been more tactful but I totally see his point. If you don't, it's because you don't want to. If 80-year old granny can get a job as a greeter at Wal-Mart, then 90% of the welfare recipients can get a job as well.


EXACTLY its good to see someone not trying to make this man into some sort of Arch-Fiend.
Could he have rephrased his point? Sure but the fact is that he makes a decent point.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by axslinger
To the extent that Barack and his ilk target poor people, the guy is right! Don't shoot the messenger. Our welfare system is NOT about helping the poor to get out of poverty, it is about keeping them there to secure a voting base.


I wonder what % of the poor vote Republican?



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by Fiberx
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The wealthy vote in their own service too. The idea behind one man one vote is that all people of all persuasions and experiences get a voice. If there are so many poor people that it's messing up the fun for the rich folks, then spread the wealth....

That's the point of giving everyone a vote..
This guy doesn't support democracy unless everyone agrees with his views.Talk about unamerican.


On the surface, you make a good point, but you are leaving out the details. You are equating being poor with being wealthy. They are not the same. If your theory is correct then it should be safe to assume that the conservatives want everybody to be wealthy so they can get their votes. Now, based on that, what would you rather see, a party in power that promotes poverty and government hand-outs or a party that promotes self-reliance and prosperity? And which type of people would YOU rather see at the polls?

I don't know where you come from, but where I come from, somebody doesn't "spread" any wealth. My father quit school in the 10th grade because his parents divorced and that left my grandmother to raise 3 boys while working full-time. All 3 boys, my Dad and two uncles, quit school and went to work. All 3 were successful businessmen. My Dad owns a small manufacturing company, a home in Michigan, a home in Florida and for a time owned a home in the Bahamas on 100' of sugar sand beach. No lotto, no welfare, no hand-outs. He did it on his own and had no more than any of today's welfare recipients. And you are suggesting he is somehow required or otherwise obligated to spread his wealth? If that is the case, then you are clearly a product of the welfare left and you always will be as will your children and their children, because you don't know any different.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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What he said that was untrue is that any American citizen should be denied their constitutional right to vote. In my opinion punishing a citizen for the way they may potentially vote is treason. There is a lot of treasonous chatter coming from the right as of late. We need to try to understand each other and try to get something to work right around here. Calling other Americans your enemy is not only treasonous, but it's not going to fix anything.
I was also glad to hear that another cornerstone of conservative ideology fell this week. Corporate profits does not equal job growth or a stronger economy. Last quarter, corporate profits were higher than ever (1948). Our economy is stagnant at best, job market is flat, and there is no improvement in the forseeable future. We also got here through conservative policies. WAKE UP!!! IF YOU'RE NOT RICH OR A CORPORATION THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE!!!



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 02:52 AM
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In Louisiana, it's pretty high, but most of them are driven by their "racial preferences".




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