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Right-wing commentator: Poor people voting is ‘un-American’

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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Every Conservative Right-winger currently in office dont give a rats behind about anyone in this country other than the EXTREMELY wealthy. Its so obvious that you would have to be a damn fool not to see it at the rate in which they have been showing their TRUE COLORS lately...

LOL, by the way, there are a few Right-winger SHILLS here that are so blatantly OBVIOUS that its PAINFUL. They cant POSSIBLY be as ignorant in real life as they make themselves look on these forums. PAINFULLY IGNORANT!!
edit on 4-9-2011 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)


You could also replace "Right" with "Left" and still be pretty much on the mark.


I have lived in a "Left" wing county going on ten years now, and many of the councilmen and their lackies are now headed to jail for a long time. Oh, and they are ratting on each other like no tomorrow.




posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by userid1

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by userid1
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I call you - reconcile them.

Conservatives don't really give a tinkers damn what you are, who you are or what you do.

Liberal-progressives have to categorize everything and everybody. you are a hyphanated- American to them. They segregate by race, by pay check, by education level. . . .

Again, conservatives could give a sh**!

What value are you as a person?


So...Vadum is a "progressive" - interesting...can you support this?

Vadum is a person with a point of view. Sorry to break this to you, but not all people fit into pre-subscribed categories.
. I never said he was a progressive. Why would you insinuate?

Let me ask you, would you trust people on crack coc aine to vote sensibly?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Yep, you are right on. But an author may take various tangents throughout their stories if it helps further them.

Just because I like, and happen to agree with the author in one book, doesn't mean I will agree with them in their next one.

As Beez said, Progressives do have a tendancy to group people.

I have a tendancy to actually look at them and listen to what they say....whether I agree or not. I try to still listen.
edit on 4-9-2011 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)


OK -so the quotes are a wash...however, I'm not sure I agree with Beez that "Progressives"/ "Liberals" /"Democrats"/ - whatever, are anymore prone to "classification" than any other political or socio-economic, ethnic, or religious group. Frankly, I think that's just a convenient moniker to support a questionable point...

I know this is a big ask - but, is there irrefutable evidence to support this point Beezer is trying to make?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Where does this joker live?
After that line I will only say one more:
Thank the good lord almighty we have "innocent by reason of insanity" in this country!
Okay, I am kidding but really do I REALLY DO think someone should hunt this MORON down tie him up and burn him like a witch in Salem.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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I think that he is right on the money.

But do I think that Republicans do the same...Yep. They just don't advertise it. You only see it after a bill has been passed. One that usually irratates the hell out of the other side.

But my Dad had a saying, "I never worked for a poor man, son." That phrase has always made sense to me.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Unfortunately for people who might want to claim otherwise, he's actually correct. Inclusive voting *is* demonstrably un-American. When the Republic was initially founded, only white males (not women or slaves) had the ability to vote, and their votes were still mitigated via the electoral college.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by userid1

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by userid1
reply to post by beezzer
 


I call you - reconcile them.

Conservatives don't really give a tinkers damn what you are, who you are or what you do.

Liberal-progressives have to categorize everything and everybody. you are a hyphanated- American to them. They segregate by race, by pay check, by education level. . . .

Again, conservatives could give a sh**!

What value are you as a person?


So...Vadum is a "progressive" - interesting...can you support this?

Vadum is a person with a point of view. Sorry to break this to you, but not all people fit into pre-subscribed categories.
. I never said he was a progressive. Why would you insinuate?

Let me ask you, would you trust people on crack coc aine to vote sensibly?



Strange - but one of your *apparent* supporters just implied that's exactly what you were saying (re; categories). So, again, if you believe what Vadim was saying, then explain why his point of view does NOT represent a right wing point of view - even when he's been publically labeled as such? (My mistake and apologies to you for the sarcasm).



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by userid1
I know this is a big ask - but, is there irrefutable evidence to support this point Beezer is trying to make?


A huge point. I live the category life. was born to mixed parents in Kentucky in the 60's. Big guess. I was adopted. I know my birth mother, I don't know my birth father. As a conservative, I have been called every name under the sun. BY THE LIBERAL LEFT.
Growing up, conservative associates could give a damn. It was about who I WAS versus what I looked like.

Any more questions to ask the black angry man?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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And if I remember correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong, They also had to be land holders as well in order to vote.

But that was then, this is now ain't it?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

uh........

I got this information off a news site.


Try and keep up!

But anyone that has worked on a campaign before knows that "perception" is the key to winning.
I have worked on both sides of the political fence, GOP and Demb, in 3 gubernatorial races as a media guy. Hired gun if you will.
Do you think that the phrase "poor people voting is un-American" won't be used to it's full advantage? I can guaran "damn" tee you it will.

Sorry to burst that bubble, amigo.



Cmon whaa, I expect a little nicer tone from you, I actually like a lot of what you write, not that I agree with ya.... Anyhoooo. I will take bets with you that this statement doesn't do anything, in fact it will barely get reported outside of MSNBC. Rachel Madow will be all over it.

Now if someone that actually meant something in the Republican party had said that, then you might have something. As it is....Labor Day weekend, not a major Republican pundit, big so-called jobs speech coming up and the Congress budget cut panel on deck............ equals zero chance of this being a "Big thing".

What are we going to bet?????
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by userid1
I know this is a big ask - but, is there irrefutable evidence to support this point Beezer is trying to make?


A huge point. I live the category life. was born to mixed parents in Kentucky in the 60's. Big guess. I was adopted. I know my birth mother, I don't know my birth father. As a conservative, I have been called every name under the sun. BY THE LIBERAL LEFT.
Growing up, conservative associates could give a damn. It was about who I WAS versus what I looked like.

Any more questions to ask the black angry man?


Just one. What were your parents mixed with that made you come out black?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by userid1
I know this is a big ask - but, is there irrefutable evidence to support this point Beezer is trying to make?


A huge point. I live the category life. was born to mixed parents in Kentucky in the 60's. Big guess. I was adopted. I know my birth mother, I don't know my birth father. As a conservative, I have been called every name under the sun. BY THE LIBERAL LEFT.
Growing up, conservative associates could give a damn. It was about who I WAS versus what I looked like.

Any more questions to ask the black angry man?


And your "opinion" speaks for all and constitutes "irrefutable evidence"? Perhaps if you were a thalidomide baby too? (Just to stir the "guilt pot" a little more in your favor?)



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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And if I remember correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong, They also had to be land holders as well in order to vote.

But that was then, this is now ain't it?


And that is a big point - they had to be land owners (which automatically excluded Blacks and Women at the time), and/or? pay property taxes. Based on this, can it be assumed that non-native americans (i.e. - 1st generation Europeans), could be land/business owners if they had the money and vote? If so, how does this play into the idea of "un-american"?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by userid1

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by petrus4
 


And if I remember correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong, They also had to be land holders as well in order to vote.

But that was then, this is now ain't it?


And that is a big point - they had to be land owners (which automatically excluded Blacks and Women at the time), and/or? pay property taxes. Based on this, can it be assumed that non-native americans (i.e. - 1st generation Europeans), could be land/business owners if they had the money and vote? If so, how does this play into the idea of "un-american"?


Well, the point is moot. That was then, this is now. I believe that this debate/discussion now has morphed into more about how we review and grant the right to vote.

Right now, at the age of eighteen, we all have the right...but are some of us actually responsible enough? Do we vote for the Nations and its people’s well being, or do we vote primarily to serve our own personal interests?

We live in interesting times.

Wait a sec....ain’t that an ancient Chinese curse?
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Poor or wealthy, if they are taxed, they should be represented in the government by officials they vote for.

This is one of the most basic rights in our republic and one of the primary reasons for our revolution.

Anyone who disagrees with this basic right is spitting on the graves of our founders and being an anti-patriot.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Let me ask you, would you trust people on crack coc aine to vote sensibly?


beezer - I don't even trust you to vote sensibly

that is not the point

the point is, you are a citizen of this country - and you don't have special privileges

you do however have the right to vote - just like the rest of us

I may not agree with you, I may not feel comfortable with how you might choose to cast your vote - but I will absolutely fight to defend your right to vote



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Although there is some truth to Obama's motivations from this man's perspective, he still could've put it in a much nicer fashion. People in the lower, middle, and even upper classes have all been brainwashed to think the government will always be there for them. The truth is, the government, at least in its current form, does not give a rat's you-know-what about most of us, and the majority of the government is controlled by banker/oil interests and the 13 richest families in the world, Gates' Rockafellers Rothschilds Bushes etc. What we need to do is not listen to these Left vs Right garbage talk show hosts, and listen to alternative media, where they provide a humanist perspective from the average working class American.

We are all Americans, young or old, wealthy or poor (im not wealthy for the record) but the banker controlled globalist executive branch of government is against anybody and everybody that isn't directly linked in to their little group (bilderberg, bohemian grove etc) This has been proven, that politics has been highly corrupt ever since the Federal Reserve was created, with unlimited printing powers and unlimited lending with their associate banking cartel, they've destroyed our dollar and systematically shipped the whole of our jobs overseas.

Did you guys hear about the raid on Gibson guitars just recently? They were raided for buying Indian Rosewood, from vendors IN INDIA, and then crafting it into necks and frets themselves in the United States, instead of letting it be manufactured in India. The government representatives actually told the CEO of Gibson "You would be better off moving your business to Madagascar" which is where the wood is from. They're basically telling them to GTFO!! If this isn't outrageous and unconstitutional, I don't know what is. Here's the article. online.wsj.com...

Ron Paul 2012 if you want to stop this mess we are in and get back on the track America needs and deserves.
edit on 9/4/2011 by smarterthanyou because: wall of text, fixed it



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Let me ask you, would you trust people on crack coc aine to vote sensibly?


Really? My first post in this thread was a joke about how people stereotype welfare recipients as drug addicts. You really just pulled that crap? Remember Florida's drug test for people on welfare? Turns out 2% of them failed. Wow, I guess they really are all crackheads. Keep pissing on the poor beezzer. Obviously they're only poor because they're all on crack.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:00 AM
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To have a massive and growing welfare class is a sign that the system has failed. When you pay as little as one can pay to employ someone and cut every possible corner to suppress costs you end up with substandard products that no one can afford...

That means poor education, poor quality of product, poor standard of living, high crime, desperation and corruption.

Until the empowered grasp an understanding of community wellness the money will continue to move in to fewer and fewer hands and the greater condition will continue to degrade.

The rich will become prisoners of their own greed until the social structure finally collapses and they either flee or die as a means of rebalancing.

For all of the brains that ostensibly run this society, it shocks me that not one professes to understand the critical importance of the consumer class in the wellbeing of a capitalist economy. One simply CAN NOT function if the greater masses are devoid of spending power....Doom awaits and no money can buy salvation from the destruction you wrought upon yourselves by devouring the future of your fellow man to sate your greedy thirst.




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