Right-wing commentator: Poor people voting is ‘un-American’

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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Jon Stewart's World of Class Warfare:

Jon Stewart produces another brilliant video condensation of the current INSANITY in America.
THIS is what we are up against:

www.thedailyshow.com...

www.thedailyshow.com...




posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by rogerstigers
Oh, good grief. I really wish ya'll could get past the name calling. It's really below ya'll. I have seen just about all of you have perfectly rational and intelligent conversations without resorting to name calling.



It's pretty hard not to call someone a fascist that wants to marginalize, disenfranchise, and take away your right to express yourself in the political spectrum; depending on your income.

What name would you prefer?
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by rogerstigers
Oh, good grief. I really wish ya'll could get past the name calling. It's really below ya'll. I have seen just about all of you have perfectly rational and intelligent conversations without resorting to name calling.



It's pretty hard not to call someone a fascist that wants to marginalize, disenfranchise, and take away your right to express yourself in the political spectrum, depending on your income.

What word should be used?


First, I wasn't talking about how you reference the author. I was talking about how you reference each other. Second, any name or label is, as I mentioned, a diversion from the conversation. If you tell someone you disagree with their idea and why, they may even reconsider their concepts or at least learn something. If you start with name calling, the debate is over.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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The real crimes are the ones that politicians have done to create this situation in the first place, with the goal of using it to their advantage in order to firmly root themselves and empower themselves into the system, making it practically impossible for them to ever be pushed back out..

Politicians have engineered this current state of affairs to empower their futures, not any of yours...



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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But I need to know whaaa...

Will you be equally incensed when they say sick people voting is un-American? How 'bout if they just say anyone with a neurodegenerative disease that might interfere with decision-making abilities? ...Starting to make sense now?


S&F&
btw



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
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But I need to know whaaa...

Will you be equally incensed when they say sick people voting is un-American?



Eventually the fascists will disenfranchise the sick and infirm because they just take from the system, just like the poor and don't contribute to the corporate oligarchy they support. Today they want to do away with medicaid and turn it over to corporate interests. How do you think corporations view non productivity? It's about the bottom line and profit; not individual freedom or humanitarian pursuits.
Euthanasia here we come.

It's a brave new world of tyranny and control just over the horizon; determined not by elections or even a dysfunctional government..... but by CEOs and boards of trustees; the right wing paradise.

Which dystopian future appeals to you?

flavorwire.com...
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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I don't think any ideology should be silenced. Fascism included........


That's really what this is all about. People deciding which kinds of people - are people

They can dress it up however they want - but what many really mean to say is: you have no value - you get no say

Let those that have decide what's best for the have-nots

Poverty is now being repackaged and sold as evidence of a lack of intelligence and worth

By attacking the poor they can, in one fell swoop, deny the credibility and ultimately the value of many groups at once. The poor? First - there's the Progressives (seriously? last week it was leftists - or liberals...) because they support (or promote) the poor. Immigrants, refugees, illegals, unwed pregnant mothers, substance abusers, the mentally ill, the disabled, war vets and their families. Sick people with their irritating lack of health insurance. The unemployed. Farmers who have lost their farms, businessmen who have lost their business.

Bankers now without their banks. :-)

The elderly. Anyone who has lost their 401K. Tree-huggers and animal rights activists no doubt. Public defenders...daycare operators, teachers, out of work postal workers, scientist without grants - people who used to work for NASA...

Then the usual suspects - artists, musicians, writers, dancers, poets...

Law students and lawyers who can't find the work they were promised would be there for them when they graduated?

Have I missed anyone?

People who like pie?

This goes well beyond being a class war - this isn't even about partisan politics anymore - this is something else. Attacking 'the poor' at this particular point in history?

Interesting...

Denying people the right to vote - actually working towards denying the vote - to citizens. Is there a way to spin that into something noble?

This is ATS - it's not like I don't know where I am :-)

S&F whaaa
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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I wish I could say that we are, as a culture, growing up and getting past this and these are just growing pains... I am just not certain. The biggest test of our resolve is not what we are willing to fight against happily but what we are willing to fight for even when it hurts. Until it becomes normal and easy for the general public to fight for what is right even when it hurts, we'll never get past being panicky pack animals that can be easily herded.

The guy referenced by the OP is yet another example of one of those would be herders.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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The big problem I see is that we have the "feel good" progressives, keeping classes separated with artificial benefits and structured monies from the government. It perpetuates itself over and over again. The so-called "leaders" need this class dependent on them. It keeps them in power.

These are whom they vote for.

Now you have folks like me. Tea Party, conservatives who want better for this "class". To get these folks off the dependence of government. To provide the oppourtunity for them to be free of governmnt dole.

And what happens?

Progressives get/feel threatened. They resort to name-calling, distortions, outlandish accusations. So they can keep the status quo.
From my perspective, it is the progressives, that'll fight tooth and nail to keep things "separate". To insure a segregation of the classes, to perpetuate their power base.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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it would seem to be more correct to say it is "bad for the top 2% that the GOP truly represents"



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
What needs to be done is to get them NOT to be poor anymore.


I agree with this

However, the difference between progressives and conservatives
Progressives see the way for them to not be poor anymore is through free education, social programs to free up their resources and spend on investment verses survival
Conservatives see the solution of no more poor by them simply being dead.

Lets face facts. livable wages for uneducated jobs simply don't exist anymore in america. they all went to china, india, etc..and they won't come back.
So, the solution, educate..mass education...try to get everyone a specialized skill. Let the rest of the world have manufacturing, we can have administration, consulting, innovative invention, etc.
The conservatives are stuck in some 1920s mindset that somehow we still have this mega booming dirty blue collar labor force job market...we don't, stop kidding yourselves.

Poor people should be pushed to middle class..that makes them good consumers, and when there are good consumers, corporations make a bundle...seriously, why does the right fight this simple fact. corporations like making sales, and their sales are directed at middle class. kill the middle class, and you kill corporations.

Explain in a bit of detail the conservatives view on how to eliminate, or at least make a dent in, the poor...because the poor spiked when GWB took over...
Look dude:

Its a statistical fact that conservative politics creates more poor people...they just do, their economic model is made of fail that only favors the very elite.
its why the must employ nationalism to get the idiot lessers to also back them...blind them with patriotism so they stop looking at the cold facts of their model.

So...whats new then? What sweeping new ideas do cons have (good name for them btw, cons.) that will somehow do as you idealistically said, make them not poor?
Does it involve some new brilliant economic philosophys, or the same tired old and scientifically proven flop ideas?
They got nothing...they never had anything, they never will have anything...because conservative politics = corporatist politics. the two are absolutely identical in practice.

I assume that now I showed you the facts, your entire perspective has changed and you now accept the failure of conservatism...great...oh...wait, nevermind, you will just ignore the facts as usual.
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer


Now you have folks like me. Tea Party, conservatives who want better for this "class". To get these folks off the dependence of government. To provide the oppourtunity for them to be free of governmnt dole.



So how exactly does keeping the poor from voting like the conservative Mr Vadum recommends; provide opportunity for the poor to go back to work, get an education and become productive members of society.

But let's continue the class warfare, and use them to further the conservative right wing ideology of scapegoating the poor to further hatred and divisiveness in America. It's just more elitist BS.

Please, this time don't let your ideology get in the way of your common sense!
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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You're right.
I've seen the error of my ways.
Government is good.
Government is great.
All power to the governmnt.
*bow 3 times in the direction of D.C.*

Making people self-reliant is the antithesis of what government and progs want.

Too damn bad.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
What did he say that wasn't true?


What did he say that is true?
Seriously. Lay it all our for me wit supporting facts or admit you are just happy to perpetuate a false stereotype because it makes you feel better about what you are trying to pull.


The poor will vote for more entitlements, it's in their own best interests.


You know all the poor and none of them want better jobs? You are going to have to prove you have any reason to believe that.


What needs to be done is to get them NOT to be poor anymore.


You claiming they want to stay poor is not a good place to start, is it?


But what progressive would want to lose their base?


Name calling right off the bat then?



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by beezzer


Now you have folks like me. Tea Party, conservatives who want better for this "class". To get these folks off the dependence of government. To provide the oppourtunity for them to be free of governmnt dole.



So how exactly does keeping the poor from voting like the conservative Mr Vadum recommends; provide opportunity for the poor to go back to work, get an education and become productive members of society.

But let's continue the class warfare, and use them to further the conservative right wing ideology of scapegoating the poor to further hatred and divisiveness in America. It's just more elitist BS.

Eliminating class distinction, class warefare is elitist?

Keep your segregation then!

I can't wait to see what "drinking fountain" the progs make me drink from



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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You're right.
I've seen the error of my ways.
Government is good.
Government is great.
All power to the governmnt.
*bow 3 times in the direction of D.C.*

Making people self-reliant is the antithesis of what government and progs want.

Too damn bad.



I was really hoping you might actually address the facts and reality in that post. Instead you just spout off an angry little off topic retort like a child that just lost an argument. Why? If your ideas are so sound, you should have the facts and reality to argue Saturn into silence instead of getting mad and stomping your feet.

Why do you even live in the US? This is a country with a government and lots and lots of socialism. In fact, most of what you seem to like about America comes from that. It is easy to stand on your side of American ingenuity, resources, and military might and claim you do not need any of it all while only being able to because you benefit from it.



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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Making people self-reliant is the antithesis of what government and progs want.


You are just as reliant on the government as the single mother with 2 kids on food stamps.

Your reliance on government is shown all over your posts. You "rely" on government to act in your best interest...just as those who are incredibly poor.



posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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ENOUGH! The personal attacks will stop NOW. Either voluntarily or by staff action. No further verbal warnings will be given.






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