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Originally posted by beezzer
The welfare state has been around for HOW many generations? Yeah, it's done alot of good.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Janky Red
I might have missed what you were referring to, but what did you mean by it's not the real truth?edit on 5-9-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by The Old American
The poor being who they are (poor) generally means they are in need of the collective American people's money more than you are in need of the few dollars of your taxes that will go to them.
Originally posted by The Old American
I don't really care what they think they need of mine. You are conversing with a person that would destroy entire nations of people if it meant that my wife and son would have a better life. And my income level is such that I need every penny for myself, my wife, and my son. If there is anything left over, and there is nothing I absolutely have to do with it...then it goes into savings for my son. He is more important to me than a million poor people.
When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 23:22
Deuteronomy 15:7, 11
If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.
1. The GOP cares solely and exclusively about its rich contributors. The party has built a whole catechism on the protection and further enrichment of America's plutocracy. Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public.
Ever since Republicans captured the majority in a number of state legislatures last November, they have systematically attempted to make it more difficult to vote: by onerous voter ID requirements (in Wisconsin, Republicans have legislated photo IDs while simultaneously shutting Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) offices in Democratic constituencies while at the same time lengthening the hours of operation of DMV offices in GOP constituencies); by narrowing registration periods; and by residency requirements that may disenfranchise university students.
This legislative assault is moving in a diametrically opposed direction to 200 years of American history, when the arrow of progress pointed toward more political participation by more citizens. Republicans are among the most shrill in self-righteously lecturing other countries about the wonders of democracy; exporting democracy (albeit at the barrel of a gun) to the Middle East was a signature policy of the Bush administration. But domestically, they don't want those people voting.
It should have been evident to clear-eyed observers that the Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe. This trend has several implications, none of them pleasant.
Originally posted by beezzer
What did he say that wasn't true?
The poor will vote for more entitlements, it's in their own best interests. What needs to be done is to get them NOT to be poor anymore.
But what progressive would want to lose their base?
The poor vote against the people who give half a crap about them.
The GOP's answer to everything is
TAX cuts for the WEALTHY
DEREGULATION, just enough so the mega business's can charge 56% when you miss a credit card payment
TORT REFORM so corporations can break up class action by out financing and crushing
any individual legal challenges.
The GOP wants to defund grants systems which help people get educated so they can hopefully leave
the trap of poverty.
The GOP wants to end unemployment benefits, which will further impoverish many more people, which
will further destroy the economy.
The GOP wants to end Medicare because healthcare is akin to a car or watch, XRAYS are exotic,
who needs health anyways?
And I hope you or your family never have to experience poverty; but if you do, there are progressives like myself that are willing to help, your boy, your wife and you. No questions asked.....no provisions....no restrictions....
I still take the religion of my childhood to heart.
The GOP wants tax cuts for everyone
Originally posted by Justoneman
If you are deemed healthy, and a working age person who lives off of the Government dole without returning something to society in some form of a recognizable job or work, you should not vote. We realize that you would be insane to vote against the free money.
The GOP wants tax cuts for everyone
I guess you missed the news last week- the Republicans are against more payroll tax cuts because it benefits working people more than the rich.
Oh, and wanting to end capital gains and inheritance taxes benefits the rich almost exclusively.
But nice try.
Originally posted by mishigas
Progressives have no monopoly on generosity and charity.
Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University, published "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism." The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than conservatives.
If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data.
They include these findings: -- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).
-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.
-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.
-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.
-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.
-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
2. When people find out that they can vote themselves money, we have a problem, thus point 1 is back at the forefront.