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Parents of seven told: Your children are too fat, so you will never see them again

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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I don't smoke.
Used to.
My mother in law used to live with us (she's passed on now...) and the first time she lived with us, my husband had no problem letting her smoke in the house.
Hm.
She moved out.
Moved back in some years later.
She tried smoking in the house. Doors closed. WIndows open.
It seeped through the cracks of the doors and floors and the vents.

My husband went down her throat about smoking in our house. She kept sneaking it, we could tell whenever she was trying to smoke in the house.
Because you are accustomed to the smell of it, you can't tell that the smoke is still getting in the rest of your house. SO for your kids sake, keep it outside. It sounds like you really love your family, and that's why I'm just saying, the only place to do it that it won't hurt him is outside.




posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Suspiria
These authorities to my knowledge get more money the more children they can snatch, hence they go after *easy* targets instead of actually helping children who's lives actually ARE at immediate risk by truly abusive parents.


Of course you can view this in the "conspiracy" sense, if you want to. Isn't it good their job is to find the mistreated children?

I don't know how fat these 7 kids were, but they must've been FAT. It's wrong that 7 children need to see their present and future lives DESTROYED in multiple ways (bullying, serious health issues, no sex, no sports, no energy, no jobs, etc etc) just because of one parent. Her intention is not directly evil (as hurting) cos she feeds them what they want out of a twisted form of love... but she should realize if her kids love mountain climbing without ropes she shouldn't let that happen, and she doesn't so the kids are being taken away, and rightly so.

If I was the dictator, I would return the kids to the mother for a trial period after she proves she herself has changed her eating habits distinctly. Until then, no.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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No they're actually not. They still require the same nutrients for health and their immune system as anyone who's body can metabolize food better. So they're stuck fat but healthy rather than depriving nutrients. If they're fanatical and put hollywood looks above the nutrients they are actually PROGRAMMED.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Actually bud, it IS my business when I have to pay the welfare of these obese people who suffer from all sorts of health/nutrition related diseases. It IS my business when i have to pay for obamacare for all of these irresponsible fat asses. You need to educate yourself on nutrition and food intake. I can guarantee the "fat" one in your family do not eat the least. Dieting as in fad dieting may cause rebound obesity, but taking control of what you eat is what I am referring to.

Health care costs are soaring due to the obesity rate in America because we are fat and LAZY. Have some responsibility. So anyone who is healthy and paying into medicaid/medicare should have a say on whether you are too damn fat to take care of yourself or your children because I am tired of paying your doctor bills!

Also there are laws in place if i go to a night club and drive home drunk, whether I get a DUI or kill someone along the way, there are laws in place on what kind of porn people look at. So where are the laws for keeping your children healthy.

But from your point of view it is ok to starve your children as long as you love them??? Bah! What a load!




posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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What about the health care costs due to the tobacco industry? (Wow I feel like I'm sounding like a broken record.)
Kwim?

Understandable that people are worried about health care costs! Heck if everyone else has to pay the price right?
So what about the tobacco industry?
Parents who smoke in the home directly in front of their kids, putting in harms way every single day.
My husband grew up with that. He has horrible issues with his sinuses.
Studies have shown hands down that second hand smoke is That bad. I see parents, super skinny parents, smoking in front of their kids and no one looks down their nose at them. It's acceptable.
Doesn't matter the kids are being forced to inhale that crap and are likely going to end up smoking like their parents, ending up with asthma, chronic bronchitis, heart disease, emphysema etc.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this about being fat and healthy. The reason people have excess body fat is because they are starving at a cellular level. Not enough nutrients are making it to the cells therefore your cells tell your brain to eat more calories and if you are eating nutrient deficient food than you are getting NO WHERE! Add to that that most food offered in the American diet are nutrient-less, due to erosion, GMO food, or just plain old fast food, and pesticides. Plus the lack of exercise in this country is appalling.

It is not about looks it is about health and you can not argue that without lack of intelligence and basic knowledge on nutrition. We are meant to move and be active, we have sedentary lifestyles, so it is your responsibility to get moving and eat right.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
The real problem is not that the evil SS fourth reicht is trying to act. Its that people are not doing the right thing.

What would I do if they tried to come in and do things like this?

I would speak with everyone at that office and get their names, phone numbers and addresses and the judges too. And everyone involved would facing a massive court case, and I would refire justice over and over and over until it fired correctly, I would never ever tolerate their curfew. I would not OBEY the crimes these people are passing as laws. I would start a news letter, tshirt, media, bullhorn campaign in front of the legistlation building and in front of the courthouse and in front of the ministry and I would be charging 100 000 dollars per day that my children were stolen by these SS. I would also be hiring or finding a volunteering private investigator to expose all the crimes and corruption of all those names I had and press charges.

I would spend my life doing that until JUSTICE IS DONE and everyone in the entire country and world would know about it.

People, Stop Taking Corruption, Don't Follow Crimes or Obey Crimes. I would have instructed my children to escape confinement and get help from certain people well positioned in every area to GET HOME.

I also can out perform those workers mentally and would be really putting them in their spot. They probably woudnt have chosen my family to pick on. But I would never tolerate injustice. It would never succeed.
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The courts that deal with these things are closed. You are hung, drawn and quartered without even knowing exactly what they are really hanging you for. There is no recompense, there is only the threat of legal action against you or further threats against you ever knowing who adopted your child.
The SS are the new predators, they care nought about children and all about their *yearly statistics and commission*, they have been found on many instances of purely *making things up*.
The second children are now taken away they are offered up for adoption, babies obviously are more precious to them for this. You haven't even got time to clear your name before your children are long gone.

It's sick...



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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What about tobacco, I don't smoke or chew, and this thread is about obesity. Soooooooo? If you want to start a thread on the benefits of smoking I will gladly take aim at that as well.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Most people seem to be programmed to be so null and void. With freedoms and more gifts like our countries have, comes more responsiblitie. We will be answering on the test score at the end on how we used those extra things, for football games and serving self, or serving others and closing holes on corruption, especially for the things that didn't affect us immediately but our neighbors.

With freedom comes greater responsibility.

With freedom comes greater responsibility.

I always stand up for myself with others and have done so with the cops, made them slink of my property head down. Oh, that one slithered, like the S he was. I stand up for others as well.

We all need to start doing so.

Period.

There is no dictatorship, unless we allow that. But I don't even if you do.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Terrorist
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They should face some sort of legal penalty, because that's definitely child abuse, but I agree that it's extreme for them to be faced with the possibility of never again seeing their children.



The real child abuse here would be splitting up a happy family because of something many in the past had to endure that sometimes comes with puberty. The real abusers here are the ones who would take a child from it's parents during a very pivitol time in a childs growth where the overweightness of the child might just be part of their growing into an adult. The government, in this case are the abusers. They are the abusers in most cases today. This is nothing more than government trying to own our children more than the proper parents, simply because they can. It's tyranny and slavery. They are simply "bigger" than the people with their guns (which makes you wonder why they would want to take ours away...and that's clear...so they can do crap like this and we can't defend ourselves), so they bully people around and make examples of certain people by saying "see, we can even take your children from you if you don't cooperate with us, and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it". Never give up your guns people...not even if they make a law, for when you do.....you will have no more rights and when they come for you and yours...you may be the one they use to set the next example for all.If they take away guns, this will be against the will of the people and the constitution...and that is THEY who are breaking the law (as they have so many times before), so why shouldn't we then? When it comes down to the wire, ask yourself HOW did this right get taken, by WHOM did it get taken, and WHO has them most to gain from it. Your answer will always be your government. They are supposed to fear us not us that fear them...something has already gone wrong. Keep your guns no matter what...they will take all childern eventually and when this happens they will do with them as they please.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Here is the real abuse.

Judging others appearances AT ALL. Not seeing their inner selves, not drawing out the light in them.

We all come down here in a less than perfect world, more o f a hellzone, with the tests to wake up and serve/love others, to respect them and see through the outer meaningless crapola of life, and all the programming. To respect the inner core of all people and never put down their self esteem. For example with my overweight boy, the only one out of 5, he feels bad, and yet he's beautiful. Never look at a person on the surface. Teach them about good food, and excercise but do not force or bully anyone into anything and make them feel bad about themselves.

Love them, encourage and draw out happiness, laughter and love.

Model good examples don't dicatate them

And no government ever has the right into your fridge or to pass CRIME/HATE legistlation and its a Responsibility of the people not affected, the larger numbers to End All Corruption in their governments and Serve and Protect All People. That is a duty.

You never ever judge or force anyone. You love and encourage and find the beauty inside and create happiness, lasting positive memories and joy.

This abuse of these children was done by the ministry and it not only ripped their family from them but forcing them to hate themselves.

Planet earth is a school about loving others and helping everyone and being concerned with the inner person, not seeing the surface stuff here at all.

Every person is born with their own mix of light/dark squares and biology/health issues as well. And some things run in families. One group of mixed black and white squares can't point fingers at others. That is a FAIL on the test. Its about thinking yourself dirt and serving all others as gold. That is a PASS on the test. That dirt part, is a metaphor for humility but don't put your own inner core down either.

And have gratitude see your blessings as the gifts they are and the oppurtunity to shine light and be Love in this world.


I thought this needed to be resaid and emphasized.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by gnosis111

Is it ok to starve your children as long as you love them???



Starving and dieting is not the only solution for losing weight... that's what bugs me about people. Forget about the diets and starving yourself, it's ridicilous. That's not how athletes and other self-caring people roll. You just need to eat living food, fruits and vegs and other fairly healthy, nourishing and filling foods. Big tasty salad, fruits, dark full seed breads, you're full and no poisons digested. You can make a healthy spagetti, there's a thousand ways to make tasty and filling, healthy food. Point is I hate the argument these fat people use: "So do I have to starve my children and it's ok as long as I love them?" You don't starve your kids by not letting them eat white sugars, toxic greases, white bread products and other sh*t.
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:39 AM
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It is related to this discussion that is why.
Would you also support children being taken out of the homes of smokers? If not, why?
Why would you only support legislation in any country that aims at obese people and their families and not that of smokers?

Why is one better or worse than the other that it is okay and acceptable for people to passionately support the removal of these children from their families yet if we were to turn that gun around on smoking parents and their families would we see the same outcry of support?

My guess is that we would not. Therefore this is an act of discrimination.
AND
it begins here.
It wouldn't end or stop.

I am NOT saying that parents allowing their kids to eat themselves to death is fine and dandy. Part of why I had to get offline last night was reading the stories on this thread of what parents are allowing their kids to eat. It seriously made me want to wretch.
But I also feel just as strong when I see a mom light a cigarette in her car with her family in the back seat.
Would I create legislation to have those kids removed from her?

Where would it stop? So what I am asking, not just you, but anyone else who thinks this is fine:
If you are supporting this measure taken, would you also support the govt taking children away from parents who smoke in front of their kids?
If not why?

And my answer is that the overweight people are easier targets.
People hate overweight people and are more likely to criticize them first before a parent who smokes tobacco.
They get your support here, they create the legislation and then they'll turn it around on you later.

It's happened before it'll happen again.

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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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a) I would be sceptical of anything which is government approved, agreed.
b) I believe all parents bring unique and beneficial teachings or experiences to their children.

My parents taught me that shouting, screaming and violence solves nothing. I saw it on a daily basis and it did not one jot of good except to teach me to be an excellent conflict resolver and communicator. I argue well, admit when I am wrong and I know when to agree to disagree. So even inept parents who do strive to demoralise and humiliate their children can have a positive effect on a child, it depends on the disposition of the child.

I do believe that the isolation and segregation of the family unit rather than communities living together, learning from each other and allowing the people best suited for the job to take the lead in raising children is responsible for many of societies ills.

These days everyone has the right to procreate. If you do not have children you are seen as lacking, pitied and often people may be mistrustful of adult without children. They are sometimes treated as accessories, an extension of the parent/parents or possessions to be flaunted or rather are a symbol of the parents achievements. Woe betide these kid if they do not live up to their parents expectations.

I would be a source of pride to my parents, only because I became who I am in spite of them. I have never been overweight, I have been abused. The worst form of abuse is the kind which is not acknowledged to be such by either the parents nor until later realised to be such by the child. Even sexually abused children do not know it is abuse until they are older and more able to see how they were used by others for comfort and gratification.

Just my opinion.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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IMO, this is also a case of ... 'two wrongs' DON'T make 'one right'.

I agree ... obesity is very dangerous and needs to be taken very seriously for anyone of any age, including children. But, maybe the parents need to be educated on nutrition and healthy vs unhealthy food choices, not severely punished and publicly humiliated, while their children are traumatized for life.

Where is the compassion in that inane strategy?

Why didn't the social services agencies display posters in prominent places and on billboards of obese children and educate by suggesting -- "Obesity is a form of child abuse"... "DON''T risk losing your children"... a sort of 'Public Service Message'.

Yes ... I know ... this idea can be considered fear-mongering, but, IMO, this fear inspiring warning is far better than removing children from their home and stigmatizing the parents for life, while traumatizing the children and parents. Why tear apart a family? ... that's their solution? ... tear apart a family?

This ad/poster 'warning' could include an easy-to-recall website address, encouraging parents to go to the website.

The website could contain informative, educational content in an interactive format tailored for families. Information regarding the caloric, sodium and fat content of foods popular amongst today's children (but that kids shouldn't be eating -- frozen micro-waved pizza snacks, ice-cream pops, and other unhealthy high-calorie, high-fat junk foods) and instead offered a wide variety of the healthy alternatives to the fattening unhealthy foods. How hard is that? I guarantee removing the kids from their home will be a lot more stressful.

They could even add a few (age-appropriate) sections designed just for kids that makes a game out of adding up daily calories consumed at the end of the day, using a point system ... all anonymous. Kids like competition. It gives them something to work towards -- to strive for, while lessening the dread associated with 'dieting'.

Many times traumatized children become sick children, especially if they are grieving and trying to fill a void, a void, such as the loss of their parents and sibling(s). Do they think the children will lose weight and achieve a desired weight while grieving the deep loss of their family and suffering the depth of pain created by this unnecessary and outrageous event? While some may lose the weight due to sadness and therefore loss of interest in eating, realistically, most people with weight issues will consume more to fill the empty void, as well as 'self-medicating' -- anger/emotional eating.

Yes ... the children DO need to lose weight to become healthy, but, clearly, there are much better ways to approach this delicate, sensitive situation. Sometimes, and in some cases, the root cause of serious illnesses and childhood diseases is trauma, including PTSD/PTSS. I'll bet they didn't consider that possibility.

People who lack a conscience have a tendency to strike-out with a knee-jerk response -- not a well thought-out plan or strategy designed to help and heal. IMO, there is some kind of an ulterior motive or hidden agenda here.

EDUCATION and SUPPORT is what is needed -- NOT severe punishment.

Removing the children from a home, and possibly separating siblings, will create deep psychological scars and future problems. So, these incompetent morons, with ineffective solutions, will fix one thing (at best) and break another (most likely) ... real smart. I wonder if they are just stupid, crazy ...... or both?

Their outrageous "solution" is not the answer and it DOES raise suspicions.

It spells D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R ...... as in 'disaster waiting to happen'.
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Jana12

I absolutely agree with your post.

I find it very difficult to believe that the family in question had not been informed of why they were under supervision and given the opportunity to change, deal with the problem. They had two years to learn how to address the problem whether they given help or not they had the time to seek help and I assume at least one of them could read the countless literature freely available in doctors surgeries, health advice and treatment is free in the UK.

There should be a full scale campaign raising awareness of this type of abuse. The children trust their parents to do what is best for them and it is a parents duty to do exactly that.

I know parents feel guilty for causing their beloved child to be obese but endless justification and excuse making does not help anyone. It is never too late to change.

My advice to such parents is admit you made a mistake, if it's the only one you ever made you are lucky. Stop trying to justify it and correct it. Activity is as if not more important than diet so just making excuses about diet is not helpful. It is difficult but you can retrain your metabolism, there is no 'fat gene' and to say that someone is predisposed is also a cop out. The same predisposition is used for addiction, it does not over-rule your lifestyle choices. It is your behaviour that causes weight gain in all but the very very rare cases which are medical but are used by lots of parents as an excuse without an actual diagnosis. Until the rare metabolic condition is diagnosed it is safe to assume it is the lifestyle which is the problem.
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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You dont own your kids, the state does. When theyre born and you "register" them by signing a birth certificate and therefore you sign over ownership. look up what Register means in legalese.

on the other hand killing your kids with kindness is irresponsible and if I were a fat kid with a life expectancy of 30 then perhaps missing your parents to have a normal healthy and long life isnt the worst thing.

if your not prepared to be a parent then dont have kids.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by SangriaRed
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perhaps the reason the family were observed under curfew for 2 years while NOT being educated about what they should eat for 2 years , was to help set this precedence.


This is part of what stuns me.
When I read the article what I took away from it was that during the time of their wonderful supervision, things did NOT get better.
Now, how on earth does that make sense?
Shouldn't the entire point of that supervision time period be to HELP the family???
If the money can be provided to put people on the case this entire time, you're telling me that they couldn't put a trainer with them?A dietician? Someone that would help them change their lifestyle?

The whole thing really stinks of the govt wanting MORE say in how people live their lives and they're targeting overweight people, for now>
And the reason people are so infuriated has shown up in this thread> People don't like overweight/fat/porky people who stuff their mouths with junk food.

But if the same govt turned around and started yanking those kids away for any other reason, then there would be an uproar.


And there lies the problem.The fix is broken from the start. The Government is getting involved for one reason. They can create more jobs,and make more money on it,and in return control a population. Period. They truly care not of the individuals,when they do this. I could almost guarantee,if they did a study,with taxpayers money,they would easily find government workers,as a whole,overweight. Maybe they should. With it,if Government workers cant keep the weight off,they get fired.Hows that for being proactive? Hows that for teaching children the harms of obesity? If you grow up kid,and are overweight,you cant get a government job installing CCTV cameras.

Tens of thousands of CCTV cameras, yet 80% of crime unsolved

Just another failed policy,that strips the freedoms of its citizens.



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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We don't, sorry to say, we are lied that we are free but we are not. look in your wallet, you see green paper, that green paper keeps you in slavery. it's really sad



posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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On that note you are not abusing them either. No one made a predetermined list that we all need to fit into. The state will take the kids because the state OWNS the kids. If you don't believe me check into the social securities programs for your country. Somewhere down the line you got a SS number and a birth certificate. Thats concent!




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