Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

reply to post by gravitational


I suggest you read my original post.

Israel was never outnumber 10 to 1 (military personal) in any war. That is a completely baseless lie.

That is the statement I was aiming to debunk. The only reason I am pointing this out because I feel I am obligated to report the truth. So instead of coming to speculative conclusions and handing out rash accusations, why don't you simply see what I am saying for what it is. Correcting a falsehood.

It is nice to see you so defensice. Accusing me of Israel bashing when I haven't said one negative thing in regards to Israel on this thread. Of course I am not suprised. Any small ounce of critisicm (and in some cases reporting the factual record and correcting falsehoods) targeted towards Israel consits of Israel bashing.

Take a good look in the mirror and grow up, yourself.

Uhm, regarding article 5 @ NATO.. If Israel made an actual attack against Turkey forces, it will indeed be seen as an attack against all NATO members. BUT in the NATO manual at atricle 5 it is never detailed in what way they have to support Turkey.. And imho they will only contribute politically or something..

I doubt the Turks will push through if Israel set's up a naval blockade. Most NATO or UN countries will probably urge Turkey to find other ways to get their relief aid into the gaza strip then through brute force or intimidation. The is too much at stake, and the Israeli's are too stubborn/arrogant (it's true, some colleagues experienced it themselves when being up there) to be convinced into letting the Turks through.

reply to post by Elexio


The fact Turkish naval units are escorting the floatilla in an effort to violate the blockade, Israel would be defending itself, not turkey. Article 5 of NATO is not going to protect Turkey since its their actions that are cuasing the armed confrontation.

People really need to get past the idea that a person / country who shoots first is the aggressor. A country does not have to wait for the person pointing the gun at them to fire before responding. Check your UN laws on blockades, neutral shipping and how that status changes when escorted by military vessels.

Here is something interesting....

Turkey Warns of More Sanctions Against Israel

A U.N. report released last week called the Israeli raid "excessive and unreasonable," but also said Turkey and flotilla organizers contributed to the deaths.

So countries are upset about the raid and the death of 9 Turkish Citizens, and Turkey demands an applogy. What was Turkeys response to the probe they use when going after Israel reference the above quote?

"That report does not mean anything for us," Erdogan said Monday. "We will determinedly maintain this process. Diplomatic relations will be downgraded as of tomorrow, trade relations, military relations have been suspended."

So lets see.. The report is valid when its used by Turkey, Hamas, Hezzbollah etc, yet it becomes invalid and ignored by Turkey when it points out the fact they contributed to the confrontation and death of the 9.

So what idiotic move is the Turkish Prime Minister thinking of doing, aside from deploying Turkish warships in the Med to "protect freedom of navigation"?

He also reiterated his intention to visit the Gaza Strip, possibly early next week, after a stop in Egypt. "We will make our final decision after consulting with our Egyptian friends. There may be a visit to Gaza or not. It is not certain.

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Yup, no esclation on the part of Turkey...

/end sarcasm.

This is right up there with Hezbollah using a UN report to go after Israel, while ignoring the same UN report when it implicates their own leadership in the assasination of Harari.

Well done Turkey!

Now it's time to allow the palestinian children their right to books, crayons, bedding, fruit juices and canned fruit etc. What the hell is the point of not alllowing these basics?

I don't care for politics...all governments are crooks.

just my two penneth!

Originally posted by MissConstrood
Well done Turkey!

Now it's time to allow the palestinian children their right to books, crayons, bedding, fruit juices and canned fruit etc. What the hell is the point of not alllowing these basics?

I don't care for politics...all governments are crooks.

just my two penneth!

Can you give us a link to the source you are using reference the crayon, fruit juice etc comment.

reply to post by backinblack

Are you serious? Is Israel tough enough?
Take a look at your history books. The last 50 years of mid-east history should suffice.

Just because two navies clash at sea does not mean there is going to be Total War.

Its called Limited Warfare. (International Incident)


So ... if they go to war it is going to be a Limited War.


Just like America vs China for Thailand. Our strategy isnt exactly a plan of Total War. Its a Plan of Limited Naval and Air War.

We contain them in their country when they try and take Thailand.


Let them duke it out , Isreal will dominate their naval fleet and air fleet.

news.bbc.co.uk...reply to post by Xcathdra


Not sure iv'e done this right but here goes, otherwise type news.bbc.co.uk...

peace

hmm that didn't work the way i expected...hope i get better at this

reply to post by MissConstrood


lol....

My name at another forum is "MisterUnderstood"

I think we should be husband and wife

Israel ``fights back``...

Greece, Israel sign cooperation agreement

Greek Defense Minister Panos Beglitis met with his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak in Jerusalem and signed a cooperation pact in the security sector between the two countries, defense officials said on Monday.[/URL]

The lines are being drawn.

reply to post by Vitchilo



haha, love it..

The best Israel could do under threat from Turkey is go to the Greeks.

A country that is so broke and in such dire straights, they would pimp themselves out to anybody just so they can meet this weeks pay obligations.

I don't think Turkey has anything to fear.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Actually that move is pretty significant. Even though Greece and Turkey are NATO members, the 2 countries are anything but friends / allies. Long standing rivalries, territorial disputes, Cypress and several other issues cloud the relation between the 2.

I would not put it past Greece, if hostilities break out between Turkey and Israel, to get involved on the side of Israel.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

haha, love it..

The best Israel could do under threat from Turkey is go to the Greeks.

And what's the best Turkey can do? Interrogating Israeli tourists that went there for vacation? Getting the Israeli ambassador out? Blowing hot air and making bogus claims?

You, me, and everyone with a brain knows Turkey is just talking big and when it will come to actually doing something it will be silent as usual.
..Or do you really think Turkey will attempt to break an armed naval blockade over... what exactly? Over ego wars? Or is it over the "sudden" burst of compassion for Gaza (which is unfounded, especially due to the upcoming UN-Comissioned report which will state the blockade is legal)? Or is it about the several IHH terrorists that died trying to reach Gaza through a blockade?

In any case, Turkey is not going to cause an event that will most probably trigger some very violent clashes in the area, especially while trying to get into the EU. They won't do anything alike unless something major happens, like an attack on their soil.
They don't have anything to fear because they are not planning anything.

As for what Israel has to fear... what was it exactly? A couple of armed ships? A frigate? What exactly?
Turkey's airforce is smaller than Israel's and far less equipped. Their naval force is abit more equipped, yet they have got nothing that the Israel airforce cannot obliterate without them even knowing what hit them.
Their ground force is rather large (yet poorly equipped, again), but a ground assault is completely out of the question. Syria is not going to be a route for a Turkish passage considering the recent Turkish backlashes on Assad's regime.. So where are they going to pass from? Syria, nope. Iraq? Hah.

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Only if we can call the kids MissNoma and MasterPlan lol x

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

haha, love it..

The best Israel could do under threat from Turkey is go to the Greeks.

A country that is so broke and in such dire straights, they would pimp themselves out to anybody just so they can meet this weeks pay obligations.

I don't think Turkey has anything to fear.

Actually, that was an incredibly smart move. Any attack from Turkey on Greece will automatically trigger a massive response from the EU.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

I would not put it past Greece, if hostilities break out between Turkey and Israel, to get involved on the side of Israel.

If they do they will be kicked out of NATO, its not worth it for them.

At best, this means they wont get involved, not that they would have had much effect anyway.

So did Erdogan go through with it? I would be surprised if it was anything other than strong words to gain support and votes.

israel has faced real militaries and defeated them both. you need to open a history book my friend. i don't know how old you are, but israel has defeated egypt and jordan in the six day war on two fronts.

turkey does not want to go to war with israel, because britian and the us will protect israel. you keep forgetting israel has nukes and are not afraid of useing them againgst anybody. turkey will back down and go back home with the tails between their legs. turkey is apart of nato and they are not going to let turkey attack or harass israel. turkey is trying to ship weapons to the palestineans. how do think theses guys get their arms. israel has the right to protect itself from any threat.