Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

Originally posted by marinesniper0317
reply to post by Haxsaw

 

Never heard of them raping...but I guess you are just using the term loosely....

NO I'm not, here is just one/some examples of jewish soldiers raping Palestinian kids.

LINK

Dont think this is the worst of it, do some research and you'll be sure to find the jewish soldiers are guilty of alot worse than this.

IF you want to see just how jews work and what they think of non-jews try reading the babylonian Talmud, if you're interested I'll give you some quotes from it translated by a rabbi where it says that sex with a 3 year old is permitted, and believe it or not it contains worse than this, in the mean time just have a look at this as an example of jews thinking they are the superior race:

A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish because he introduced himself as "Daniel"

Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Sweet.... Turkey finally manning up to the bullies.

Dude, you're one of those guys that is a total mystery to me. We agree on almost everything, but when it comes to Israel, we couldn't be further apart. Same with our Aussie friend...

Now, with the pleasantries out of the way, Turkey is making a BIG mistake. They just booted out the Israeli ambassador, and now they are planning to escort aid ships to Gaza? Man oh man are they in for a surprise.

They've been relatively close to Israel over the past decade, up until the Mavi Marmara incident. I think that they are under the impression that because of that relationship, or perhaps because they have a strong military and membership in NATO, that Israel will back down. They couldn't be more delusional if they took a handful of brown acid at Woodstock.

I guarantee that if Turkish warships interfere with the Israeli blockade of Gaza that there will be bloodshed, and the dead won't be just a few terrorists but Turkish military personnel. Once that happens, Turkish civilians will be calling for an all out war; and they'll get it too. It's been a long time since an Arab army stood up against the Israelis, but every time is has happened in the past, the Arabs limped away humiliated. I fear the Turks have forgotten this lesson.

And if they are planning on their NATO membership to provide them any backing, then again: They must be dreaming. There is no way an American led NATO is going to take up arms against Israel. If the Europeans attempt to do it on their own (Germany won't, that's a given) then that could spell the end of NATO altogether.

I don't see ANY good coming from this.

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This is about the only sane post in this thread. If Turkey was smart,they would take some history lessons all the way around. Instead of putting their troops,and ships in danger,maybe a humanitarian airlift,just like the "The Berlin Airlift".

The Airlift officially ended on Sept. 30, 1949, fifteen months after its meager beginnings in June of '48. In total, the US delivered 1,783,572.7 tons, while 541,936.9 tons were delivered by the British totaling 2.3 Million tons from 277, 569 total flights to Berlin. C-47's and C-54's alone traveled over 92 million miles in order to do so.

The Berlin Airlift


The world is watching. This would be the ideal way of sending aid. They could also get NATO to support this,if they did it right..

This could turn bad, quick. The last ship that tried going through the port got blockaded and/or boarded, if I remember correctly.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Turkey is not going to do anything. Palestinians don't want peace, hamas wants war to remain relevant. What happened to the economy left to the Palestinians? I'll give you a hint, it was destroyed and if you guessed by Israel you need to guess again.
Palestine is just propaganda for Arab nations, and Turkey, which used to be western and secular is increasingly becoming theocratic. NATO would never support a war against our only true middle eastern ally, that's not being an Israeli puppet that's just not being completely brain dead.
You want a Palestine state, stop the terrorism, plain and simple. Which is why I don't see it ever happening in my lifetime.

Well then maybe America should be taken off the Americans for their increased terrorism across the globe, making war based on proven lies.

The Palestinians, which included jews, christians and muslims were all living just fine prior to the jews deciding they needed to steal the land because the rest of the world didnt want them in their country due to being sick of thier lies and cunningness. Just because the jews have power over every war America fights in doesnt mean all Americans are stupid enough to fall for zionist manipulation(im obviously talking about the fact America is trillions in debt and they cant even afford to fight a grasshopper if the jewsish bankers who run the banks/Fed/IMF dont want them to) , sad but true, so dont pretend you're not their slave.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Turkey is not going to do anything.

Nor is Israel. Very likely the Turkish navy will escort these boats, the israelis will watch closely, and everything will go perfectly smoothly. Neither Turkey nor Israel wants to get into a fight, after all.

Palestinians don't want peace,

Might I suggest speaking to some Palestinians? It's largely cretins in America and thgeir puppets in Israel who want the war. Said puppets actually depend on dead Jews to get votes. I don't suppose that bothers you too much, though.

hamas wants war to remain relevant.

Which is why the first thing they did after coming to power in Gaza was to try to start diplomatic relations with Israel, right? Which Israel responded to like it usually does when offered diplomacy; gunfire and economic assault.

What happened to the economy left to the Palestinians? I'll give you a hint, it was destroyed and if you guessed by Israel you need to guess again.

Well, the West bank isn't doing too shabbily, given how absolutely tiny and overcrowded it is, and the perpetual theft of land and water. Gaza, of course, is living under an Israely embargo. And since it's a patch of dirt and lizards about the size of two football fields...

Yeah, sorry, these are in fact israel's fault. Maybe you should home up your geopolitics a bit.

Palestine is just propaganda for Arab nations,

And Israel is just propaganda for a pack of Christians who want lots of Jews to die so Jesus will come back.

and Turkey, which used to be western and secular is increasingly becoming theocratic.

Actually it's not. See, just because a nation is unhappy with the apartheid state ruled by a fairly obvious military theocracy does not mean that it is some zany islamist regime. it just means it's opposed to the apartheid military theocracy.

NATO would never support a war against our only true middle eastern ally, that's not being an Israeli puppet that's just not being completely brain dead.

Israel is not, and likely never will be America's - much less NATO's - strongest ally in the middle east. See, everyone in the region kinda... y'know... hates Israel. This makes Israel more or less useless to any other nation seeking regional interests. Historically, Egypt has been the United States' go-to guy for middle eastern business (though we seem to be trying to butter up Libya now "just in case"). As i pointed out above, US patronage of israel extends only as far as it takes to get votes and money out of certain segments of the population. Past that, israel can suck a toad as far as US foreign policy is considered.

Hell, we only had their back in the 70's and 80's because it ticked the Soviets off.

As for NATO, Turkey is a member of NATO. Israel is not. This is great insurance towards keeping htem from doing more than mooning each other. If Israel attacks, Turkey's allies are bound to aid it by treaty. If Turkey attacks, it's on its own. Neither nation has an interest in starting a fight.

You want a Palestine state, stop the terrorism, plain and simple. Which is why I don't see it ever happening in my lifetime.

Nah. All that needs to be done is to wait. Demographic change is a crazy thing, after all. The question is, does israel come to its senses and negotiate the peaceful existence of either a unified state or make substantial concessions for a Palestinian state, or does it hold out as long as it can only to collapse under its own weight ala the apartheid regime of South Africa?

My dad can beat up your dad !
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Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by backinblack

 

israel is a country with citizens that have all sorts of opinions and intentions. its not just israel, talking of it like one solid body

I was under the impression that Israel claims to represent all Jews throughout the world. How else could they justify defining all those who criticize their foreign policy as anti-Semites?

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Turkey is not going to do anything. Palestinians don't want peace, hamas wants war to remain relevant. What happened to the economy left to the Palestinians? I'll give you a hint, it was destroyed and if you guessed by Israel you need to guess again.
Palestine is just propaganda for Arab nations, and Turkey, which used to be western and secular is increasingly becoming theocratic. NATO would never support a war against our only true middle eastern ally, that's not being an Israeli puppet that's just not being completely brain dead.
You want a Palestine state, stop the terrorism, plain and simple. Which is why I don't see it ever happening in my lifetime.

Yeah. Our only "true ally" in the middle east? If they are our ally, why did we arrest and deport hundreds of Israeli spies operating in the US? If they send hundreds of spies into the territory of an ally, how many do they send into the territory of an enemy?

reply to post by Vitchilo


Who's going to back Turkey up? I mean really... If Turkey goes pushing that invisible line that Israel calls it's comfort zone, we can count on Israel to do what it has always done in the presence of any perceived threat. That is, to get America's secret promise to a) provide intel on all the targets and b) look the other way when Israel starts shooting. Especially in the Mediterranean. They even shot up a US boat before. Turkey may want to reconsider rattling sabers with Israel...

Originally posted by Haxsaw
If Israel want to violate international law, then no-one can have a go at Turkey for doing what they want for their Islamic brothers and sisters who are under occupation of megalomaniacs who call themself the chosen race.

Sure they can, and absolutely should. The Floatilla sails uinder the flag of neutral shipping, until they declare tehir intentions to run the blockade, which allows Israel to repel the boat. So far its been pretty tame between the IDF navy and the floatillas who are hijacking the Palestinian issue to continue their attacks on Israel.

The addition of Turkich naval vessels to the floatilla nolonger makes the floatill neutral shipping, and they will be subject to attack, as will the Turkich Navy vessels present.

Why the demand for Israel to follow UN law when the floatill and Turkey themsleves are violating it with the latest stunt?

reply to post by intrptr


Relations between Turkey and Iran have been on the rise lately. Im not sure about the actions in Syria and Iranian support of those actions and if that has affected Turkish relations or not. Turkey was allowing Iranian military transports to use their airspace in order to land in Syria. Recently Turkey forced one of those transports to land and its cargo inspected.

Weapons were located and were destined for Syria and most likely from their on to Hezbollah / Hamas.

If push comes to shove between Turkey and Israel it will create a unique situation. Turkey is a member of NATO and Israel is not. If things kick off between the 2 Turkey can request the treaty be invokved, specifically the part that states an attack against one nato country is an attack against all (we could look at the relations between Greece and Turkey for guidance since they come close to war a few times in the pasr as NATO members).

It should become a 3 ring circus before long.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Sure they can, and absolutely should. The Floatilla sails uinder the flag of neutral shipping, until they declare tehir intentions to run the blockade, which allows Israel to repel the boat. So far its been pretty tame between the IDF navy and the floatillas who are hijacking the Palestinian issue to continue their attacks on Israel.

The addition of Turkich naval vessels to the floatilla nolonger makes the floatill neutral shipping, and they will be subject to attack, as will the Turkich Navy vessels present.

Why the demand for Israel to follow UN law when the floatill and Turkey themsleves are violating it with the latest stunt?

No, get it right, when Israel wants to obey UN law(which so far it has violated more than 68 resolutions) then they can call others out for disboeying it, while they disobey it they have no leg to stand on. You dont steal someones land, disregard international law, and then try and use international law to justify your actions, unless of course you're a megalomaniac who thinks you're part of a chosen race, in which case you cant blame the world for hating you.

Lets see, what was the name of the last madman who thought he was part of some kind of chosen race and above all laws? oh, that's right his name was Hitler, funny that.

reply to post by Haxsaw


Yeah i have it right.. Maybe the Arabs and Palestinians should have accepted the UN resolutiions ending the war. Arab nations refused since it called for the recognition of Israel., something Hamas and Hezzbollahs charter forbid.

Israel is not a signatory to the ICC, nor are they a signatory to the NPT, so people whining about those issues should learn how those work before calling them out.

Secondly, the blockade is valid under UN / International Law since the territory was captured from Egypt, not Palestinians. Under UN law since Israel is the poccupying power, they can set the requirement for aid going into the region.

The morons putting on the floatilla could care less about the Palestinians. If they did care then they would do all they could to get supplies to them, instead of hijacking the issue for their own personal vendetta against Israel.

Isreal, as a sovereng nation, can choose to comply or refuse with whatever they see as an issue to their national security and interests, just as Syria is doing by killing protesters who are threatening the dictatorship there.

If nations want Israel to follow UN law, then those nations demanding it should comply as well. Since they dont, forcing Israel to makes no sense now does it?


Hamas / Hezzbollah attacking Israel in violation of International law, then crying when Israel responds. Floatilla vessels ignoring international law by violating a blockade, then demanding Israel be held accountible for "violating" internatioal law by stopping the vessels.

the Floatill is lucky Israel doesnt use the extent of that portion of International Law. If Israel did they woul be able to sink the vessels with abolsutely no warning since they have declared their intent to run the blocakde.

So you and several others need to learn and get it right. So long as you guys try to hold Israel accountible while turning a blind eye to other groups in the region, Israel has every right to counter the threats as they see fit.

When all of the tools want to comply with the UN / International law, we might see thigns improve. Until then, all the tools (Israel and Arabs) need to go put themselves back in the tool box.

There's no need for more bloodshed. Hopefully we can get some diplomacy reasoning out of this, this could start a chain reaction otherwise.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Sweet.... Turkey finally manning up to the bullies.

Report: Turkey navy to escort aid ships to Palestinians in Gaza

Turkish officials tell Hurriyet Daily News that Turkish navy will strengthen presence in eastern Mediterranean Sea to stop Israeli 'bullying'.

"The eastern Mediterranean will no longer be a place where Israeli naval forces can freely exercise their bullying practices against civilian vessels," a Turkish official was quoted as saying.

As part of the plan, the Turkish navy will increase its patrols in the eastern Mediterranean and pursue "a more aggressive strategy".

According to the report, Turkish naval vessels will accompany civilian ships carrying aid to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Additionally, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan instructed his foreign ministry to organize a trip for him to the Gaza Strip in the near future.

Hell yeah Erdogan! Israel's government bullying needs to stop. Turkey's navy will make sure of that.

And if Israel wants to go at it with Turkey, they better ready their nukes because that's the only way they gonna win.

Israel needs to man up, SUPPORT a palestinian state, make economic deals with them... make peace with everyone and stop acting like they are above everyone else. Going to war isn't what a real leader does. Going to war is ``easy``... what is hard is NOT going to war and DEAL with the actual problems.

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This is a good thing, it gives the West just cause to invade and liberate the Holy City of Constantinople from the filthy turks.

Also the turks need to be driven from Christian land they unlawfully took and pay for the genocide they committed.

You do realize that no matter what is said or done the Palestinians dug their own graves on 9/11. I can still see those filthy vermin dancing in the street. So let them dance all the way to their own grave and the grave of any who would be foolish enough to help them.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Yeah i have it right.. Maybe the Arabs and Palestinians should have accepted the UN resolutiions ending the war. Arab nations refused since it called for the recognition of Israel., something Hamas and Hezzbollahs charter forbid.

Tell me, if the world was to say hey there is 300million muslims who are being oppressed in the world, so what we are going to do is split America in half and give the muslims half of America to call their homeland, and we are also going to make sure the muslims get so much aid and weapons that America/Americans wont have a hope in hell of defending themself, and if any American should try and defend their country/people then we are going to overtake the MSM with smear campaigns calling the American freedom fighters 'terrorists'. Then we'll do some international false flag operations pretending to be Americans to bring other countries to war with these Americans.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Israel is not a signatory to the ICC, nor are they a signatory to the NPT, so people whining about those issues should learn how those work before calling them out.

Israel is not a sgnatory to human rights in general, they dont call themself the chosen race for nothing.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Secondly, the blockade is valid under UN / International Law since the territory was captured from Egypt, not Palestinians. Under UN law since Israel is the poccupying power, they can set the requirement for aid going into the region.

Again, dont tell us about UN/international law when Israel is one of its biggest violators, when they want to abide by it we'll worry about whether or not their blockade is justified.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
The morons putting on the floatilla could care less about the Palestinians. If they did care then they would do all they could to get supplies to them, instead of hijacking the issue for their own personal vendetta against Israel.

You mean "COULDNT care less", anyway that aside, no, some countries arent run by jews like America, so they see past the BS chosen race diatribe and have had enough, cant say I blame them.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Israel, as a sovereng nation, can choose to comply or refuse with whatever they see as an issue to their national security and interests, just as Syria is doing by killing protesters who are threatening the dictatorship there.

Ok, that's it, they have no leg to stand on except to use other countries bad deeds as justification for their own, lame.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
If nations want Israel to follow UN law, then those nations demanding it should comply as well. Since they dont, forcing Israel to makes no sense now does it?

As mentioned, vice-versa, so I say good on Turkey for sticking up for the oppressed, at the end of the day the Palestinians arent the ones calling themself the chosen race, they were living happily together as christians, jews and muslims, before the international zionists chose to bribe other countries into helping them steal the Palestinians land. This issue wont be solved for some time no doubt, in the mean time it might be best for you to concentrate on your own country(America?), who is currently ruled by jewish bankers(Fed Res.) who you pay your taxers to and who decide whom they want to let you go to war with, coincidently(sarcasm) they have your tax payers dollars paying them ridiculous amounts of interest to go to war(based on lies) with at least 5 muslim nations. You're only fooling yourself mate, no-one is going to sympathize with freaks who call themself a chosen race, unless they're either deaf,dumb, and blind, or one fo them.

when israeli commandos board vessels and kill your citizens, if you don't act, especially in a democracy, you're going to have a full blown revolution.

Originally posted by korathin
You do realize that no matter what is said or done the Palestinians dug their own graves on 9/11. I can still see those filthy vermin dancing in the street. So let them dance all the way to their own grave and the grave of any who would be foolish enough to help them.

You're just another sheep, if the Palestinians deserve it then so to do the jews according to what you've said:

So let the jews dance all the way to their own grave and any who are imbecilic enough to help them? or are you a complete hypocrite?

Originally posted by Haxsaw
Tell me, if the world was to say hey there is 300million muslims who are being oppressed in the world, so what we are going to do is split America in half .....

We have been there, done that and are still dealing with it. Take some time to research Native Americans and get back to me.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
Israel is not a sgnatory to human rights in general, they dont call themself the chosen race for nothing.

Actually they are signatories to several treaties dealing with Human Rights, which cannot be said for Hezzbollah or Hamas. I wonder why that is..... Oh thats right, they arent a nation state, but terrorist organizations. As stated before, when they accept Israel has the right to exist, then maybe their opinion / political issues might matter. Until then, they are hypocrites.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
Again, dont tell us about UN/international law when Israel is one of its biggest violators, when they want to abide by it we'll worry about whether or not their blockade is justified.

Actually I will tell you Israel complies with International Law, and breaks it as well, just as Arab countries do when they open fire on their own citizens. Hamas violates it by using heavily populated areas, mosques hospitals and schools to launch attacks from, and to store munitions etc there.

You guys who want to go on the tangent about Israel and violating International Law really should learn what Internatioal Law actually is, how its applied, whoit affects, and in what situations its not valid. Here is a hint for you, Article 7.

So as you and others point out Israel violations of Internatioal Law, I will point out the violations by Arabs / terror groups and Turkey.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
You mean "COULDNT care less", anyway that aside, no, some countries arent run by jews like America, so they see past the BS chosen race diatribe and have had enough, cant say I blame them.

I see we have another subscriber to the bogus protocols of the elders of zion. You and some others really should learn to think and research on your own instead of being told what to beleive and just accepting it as fact unquestioned and unchallenged.

Also, funny enough only you and several other bigots seem to bring up the race / jewish issue in these arguments, which is telling. You should think about that for a minute.... sad really.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
Ok, that's it, they have no leg to stand on except to use other countries bad deeds as justification for their own, lame.

Im sorry I didnt realize you didnt want your own argument and excuses used against yourself.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
As mentioned, vice-versa, so I say good ...............snip

As stated, if Hamas and arab countries actually cared about the Palestinians, they would have worked in the begining to get them a homeland, insetad of attacking Israel time and again, and losing, only so they can cry to the UN about lost territory.

Maybe if they sent aid to Palestinians, instead of using the plight to attack a blockade thats in compliance with international law, things might be different. We can play the back and forth games all night, but it doesnt change the fact that Israel has no military units in Gaza, and yet Hamas still attacks Israel for actions occuring in the West Bank, which fall under Fatah and not Hamas control.

Like I said, the only goal of hamas is for the destruction of Israel.. they have claimed it, itspart of their charter, and even if a land for peace deal was met hamas will still continue attacking Israel. Again, they will go on the record as they have done many times before to state they are ready to sacrifice innocent palestinians to put Israel in a bad light.

By all means, continue on your jihad though against Israel, and keep using the same tactics from the past. It makes your argument rpedictable in addition to fail, since to dat eyour argument has never resulted in peace or a change in behavior.

When people with your mindset make claims that "piddily rockets" barely kill any Israeli civilians, its telling. It shows you place the same value on human life that the murders in Hamas do, which is to say they dont care about human life.

Hamas would do the world as well as the Palestinian people, a favor if all member donned homocide vests and blew themselves up. At least then the Palestinians might actually make headway instead of being used by arabs and terrorists against Israel.

Originally posted by randomname
when israeli commandos board vessels and kill your citizens, if you don't act, especially in a democracy, you're going to have a full blown revolution.

Yeah and under International law Israel was not onlu justified in boarding the vessel, they have every right to defend themselves from armed attacks.

Funny how you guys over look that little fact when condemning Israel for raiding the vessels.

Do some researchabout blockades, neutral shipping, which laws apply, and what the consequences are and can be when a neutral vessels not only announces its intent to violate a blockade, but also refuses to heave to and stop.

They are lucky only a few of the cowards on the floatilla vessel dies. Israel would have been justified, under the International Law people keep yelling about, in sending those vessels to the bottom of the med the moment they violated the blockade line.

Oh by the way, neutral shipping in the sense they are using it are not allowed to refuse a boarding party from the country who has control over the territory in question. Something you and others conviently leave out while you continue your one sided attack on Israel and their actions.