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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by DrChuck
If these companies were forcibly and intentionally suppressing the discovery or knowledge of cures, then it becomes a problem. But that's not the case here, they are deciding not to pursue it.
How do you know this isn't the case here?
It seems to me this is exactly the case...
Check the stats on the amount of research that goes into some of the drugs the FDA releases for various acute illnesses. They don't do as much testing as you'd think when they can charge out the ass for these pills. You'll telling me that they've extensively tested pills that are made for various issues when many times the side effects are worse then the condition that the pill is made for?
This isn't forcing anyone to lose anything... these are huge companies that make not millions but BILLIONS of dollars each year from peoples illnesses. IF it saves peoples lives... they should suck it up and take the frickin loss.
Its not the same. If we were forcing a person to give his money to research that is one thing. If we're forcing a company that makes billions upon billions of dollars EVERY YEAR.... screw them they can take the loss. And should for the sake of humanity.
Well we wouldn't know about this compound if Big Pharma was trying to suppress it would we?
The reason why these drugs are allowed on the market is that the disease will kill immediately without exemption if nothing is done, so why not try to curb it with a strong drug.
The side effects may worsen other aspects of the patients condition and they certainly will, but as long as the patient is alive and the immediate threat is curbed those side effects can also be countered
Yes and without these companies imagine the untold deaths that would occur.
No they should not just suck it up and take a loss, then that should apply to EVERYBODY.
You can't single out a group just because they have more money. They are not running a CHARITY, it is a business.
Why demonize just the companies for not pursuing a unprofitable product?
Why not demonize all the necessary components of a research such as physicians, researchers, accountants, medical equipment manufacturers, lawyers, FDA, nurses, technicians, computer companies, property owners, laboratories, etc? All of this and more will be required to do proper testing
They arn't suppressing the chemical, they refuse to use it for cancer treatment because of the lack of profit.
There is no disease that "kills imediately"... if there was it would negate the need for drugs wouldn't it...
Right, countered with more drugs....notice a cycle here?
Pointless statement... They do exist so that arguement is invalid. The fact is these companies do not "test" many drugs extensively and because of the lack of testing there are many lawsuits filed by people that have taken various drugs that have "fast tracked" the testing stage. Look up "Avandia"... or even Accutane which was promoted as an acne medication for years without knowing the full side effects because of lack of testing. Accutane causes crones disease and several other serious complications.
That is just rediculious... Corperations are slowly ruining the world, and drug companies are at the top of the pyramid. Big Pharma makes enough money to take a loss now and again for the "improvement" of our species.
The money these corperations make from psudo-remedies is disgusting. Do you have any idea how much some drugs cost? Seriously...
Its not about charity, its about making billions each year from peoples illnesses. Giving people pills that have side effects that need more pills to counter the side effects...
Why demonize just the companies for not pursuing a unprofitable product?
That is a dumb question honestly... Why not demonize companies that are in the medicine business who choose not to help others because its "not profitable"
Im glad you're not a real doctor...
Simply because they do not make the final decision on if the product is marketed or not. And the FDA likely accepts certian drugs to be marketed mearly because its good for investors and their profits.
Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by Alda1981
cause thats centralizing power, and when power is in one place, its easier to control. oh.. and its also socialism. which everyone believes is the devils little sister.
First off, that is not what you said in a earlier post, you clearly accused them of suppressing.
Secondly, so? There is nothing wrong with declining to pursue research on a drug. They are under no obligation, just as you, to save the world. Their business is making pills to alleviate symptoms and cure diseases, and if there is a product that will be unprofitable they are not doing anything evil by not pursuing it.
OK, bad choice of words. However there are diseases that do kill immediately. But you didn't go to med school did you?
Certain diseases, if not treated as soon as possible will kill very fast. Is that better?
For example, Linezolid - can cause pancreatitis, liver damage, fungal infections, neuropathy, and many other adverse side effects. But with a septic MRSA infection, a patient would be dead less than a week. Linezolid may make life a bit harder while their on it, but a bad MRSA infection will literally ruin your day permanently.
Better than dying, don't you think?
Yes, its true that many drugs do have side effects much more dangerous than the condition it supposedly treats. And they are taken off the market as fast as possible. This is one area of Big Pharma that I truly hate. FDA will force Big Pharma to take their stuff off the shelves, but they will come back with lawyers and extend and appeal that period just so they can make money while harming others.
But seriously, do you know what the casualties would be if we didn't have streptococcal or malarial antibiotics, polio and smallpox vaccines, or HIV antivirals?
I understand they make enough money to take a loss now and then, but it is not their obligation nor duty. And to force that upon them is wrong. They should be doing it out of their own kindness or sense of compassion. It is their money, they can choose to do with it as they please.
Like it or not, these "psuedo-remedies" save lives. But what you say is true, there are no real cures for most of our diseases except for microbial infections.
So what if they make billions from peoples illnesses? It is their product that they made from their research and money, and sadly it does not belong to the world it belongs to them. And as such, they can do whatever want with it.
My emotions do not veil my logic as yours do. And my views on property rights and free will have no bearing on my ability to practice medicine. I believe every man has a right to choose whether or not to help their fellow man, I choose to help. But if you choose not too, I respect your decision as it is YOUR freedom to do so.
Well according to you, shouldn't all these professions be giving up their money and time just like Big Pharma? Every one of the professions I listed play a integral part in researching paid by Big Pharma. Without them, Big Pharma cannot produce drugs.
No smiley face this time ?