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Conference aims to normalize pedophilia

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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I knew when I read this, Homosexuals would be labelled as an example. Shall we stop with the labelling or shall, I call a mod in to have this thread closed, since it seems some of the commentators in this thread have shown open bias towards homosexuality, and using this as an excuse to attack the homosexual/lesbian community, rather than looking at the exact causes of Paedophilia?

It is not an illness it is a crime simple as that.

And if I may add, there are more cases of this Paedophilia and Sexual abuse within Heterosexual families than there is amongst homosexuals, so get your facts correct.




posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Hmm sounds like the same thing that happend in the what 60's or 70's with homosexualism.

Also people are instantly linking pedophiles with molesters. Just because people are attracted to children does not automaticlly mean they will go out and molest/rape a child.

I mean if that is the case then all hetrosexuals are rapists and evil.

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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I'm not going to post a reply commenting on everyone else's comments in this thread...
not because I necessarily agree or disagree with anything that has preceeded my own post, but primarily because it's drifting away from the point into a totally different argument.

I'm actually all for the removal of paedophilia as something defined as an "illness"...
that seems, to me, to be almost a form of excuse for the behaviour, which I consider to be inexcusable. Paedophilia is a crime, and one that far too often seems to receive light punishments as it is. As far as I'm concerned, paedophilia and rape fall into a fairly exclusive category, where the victims are effectively being handed a life sentence themselves. Perpetrators should, depending on local legislatute, receive either life inprisonment (and by that I mean LIFE, not "years equivalent to a life sentence"), or the death sentence. Their victims deserve at least that much.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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Lol, just what is it that draws me to subjects like this? I suppose it's the limitless controversy.


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What many people don't understand is that pedophilia and child molestation are two entirely different things. These bastards are apparently speaking of the former.

Secondly, perhaps the reason child molestation is apparently more common amongst heterosexuals is because there are many more heterosexuals than homosexuals to begin with.....?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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Well here is a gay pride image from the 70's of them holding up a sign saying lower the age of consent.



source is Buzzfeed www.buzzfeed.com...



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Hey, it worked for homosexuals. I have been saying for years that this would be next. This is the slippery slope in action folks. Once you accept evil as normal, new levels of evil appear.


Erm... big difference between homosexual love and child abuse.

One is mature and agreed love between two people, the other is abuse.


Oh really??? where do you think all that crap got started in the first place??? Uncle Ernie????

pedophilia is the same symptom as homosexuality, they are both a mental disorder



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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Do you realize the difference between consenting adults and forced sexual actions?
I do. It's not a hard thing to grasp.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Guess we'll fine those racist tea party signs.

Then bam, Tea Partiers hate black people and want to kill the Jews.
Really?



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Here we go again. Sympathetic liberals continuing to soften our society. Not to change the subject, but maybe libertarianism should be classified as an illness. Give me liberty or give me death



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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Making children perform sexual acts should not be "tolerated." Children need to be protected from being the prey for these vultures.

May the path these deviants try to make towards "tolerance" of child-raping be met with the immovable object in the way.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by anumohi

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Hey, it worked for homosexuals. I have been saying for years that this would be next. This is the slippery slope in action folks. Once you accept evil as normal, new levels of evil appear.


Erm... big difference between homosexual love and child abuse.

One is mature and agreed love between two people, the other is abuse.


Oh really??? where do you think all that crap got started in the first place??? Uncle Ernie????

pedophilia is the same symptom as homosexuality, they are both a mental disorder


No they're not. Consenting adults do many very weird things (weird as I define it) sexually, but with full awareness and knowledge do adults enter sexual relations.

Children are cowed, forced, cajoled, lied to, and otherwise brought into something They don't fully understand. I was fourish when I was first molested. I was scared, I was "obeying the adults," I was anguished, I was shaken, and My faith in adults and the protection I thought I had was shattered. I had nightmares for years.

So to equate homosexuality (merely a gender preference) with raping children is disingenuous at very best.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by AnonymousFem
I knew when I read this, Homosexuals would be labelled as an example. Shall we stop with the labelling or shall, I call a mod in to have this thread closed, since it seems some of the commentators in this thread have shown open bias towards homosexuality, and using this as an excuse to attack the homosexual/lesbian community,


Have the thread closed because of the homosexuality issue? What's the matter you can't debate it so you want it censored?



A homosexual foster couple were left free to sexually abuse vulnerable boys in their care because social workers feared being accused of discrimination if they investigated complaints, an inquiry concluded yesterday.

Craig Faunch and Ian Wathey were one of the first homosexual couples in the country to be officially approved as foster parents.

With no previous convictions, they came across as respectable men who simply wanted to help boys with a variety of problems.

In reality, they were paedophiles, who repeatedly abused the children in their care.

Even when the mother of two of the children reported her suspicions to the council, officials accepted the men's explanations and did nothing.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...




posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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I am sure You can find examples of People doing horrific things from any group. Bringing a single example means nothing. Bring statistics. THOSE would be more reliable in gauging the issue.



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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Sorry but I can't take your comments seriously. You obviously have been conditioned in a way that makes you ignore logic.

One of the earlier comments basically said that homosexuals were both consenting where as pedo's are abusing children who are not. you responded by saying 'well they claim to be born that way to its not a choice' - that makes no sense. Saying that then implies that none of us have any choices because this is how we are born.

The difference is gay people make that decision to do whatever they choose to do, where as in child abuse there is a victim who does not or because of their age can not consent to the sexual activity.

If you can not understand the massive difference in this then please just be quite because its very simple and anyone who can't see that obviously has some deep rooted issues. Perhaps deep rooted feelings about ones own sexuality that makes you so angry at yourself for having these feelings?



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Well, they've already succeeded doing in with homosexuality. When they're done, pedophobia will be looked as bigotry. They're gonna say that "since kids have sex anyway, who are you to outlaw who they consent to"?
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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That's the thing. My own feeling about pedophilia is that it's a horrible joke on humanity. Why would god or evolution plague a person with sexual attraction for children or young adolescents? What is the evolutionary mechanism that has allowed pedophilia to survive? Why would god allow this? I don't believe in god, but it seems cruel and unusual.

It's tragic. I think pedophilia as a fetish should be legal AS LONG AS no children or anyone under the age of 18 is used or exploited in the process. So, NO porn that has an underage actor involved. I think cartoon porn is ok. But as soon as underage people are harmed or used in anyway relating to it, THAT crosses the line and is criminal. No matter what we learn about pedophilia, no matter how tolerant we're of them, I don't believe we'll EVER allow sex or sexual conduct with minor or underage person because they cannot consent. A person that young does not have the ability to understand what it means and their parents are their legal guardians.

So... to recap: if you mess with an underage person, i'll put you in jail and treat you like a criminal. if you watch some underage cartoon porn, I'll think you're gross and ignore you.

There're many fetishes that're like this. For example, there're bondage fetishes. Bondage without consent is CRIMINAL. But bondage with consent is not. That is similar to pedophilia. But since consent is not possible, fictional settings or roles or expressions of the fetish must be subsituted for it. In other words, fetishes can be both criminal or legal, depending on the circumstances.
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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I'm sure the str8 people of the world are pleased as punch that you are their God given spokesman. I do wonder; do you realize how bizarre your comments sound? when you walk do your knuckles drag the ground?



posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Josonic

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Biigs
As stupid as it is and massivly offencive it is, it wont change the common laws.
Most of us straight people said the exact same thing about homosexuality 20+ years ago. Look at it now. Once deviance is legitimized, other deviances seem less deviant, that is the slippery slope.


You must be Christian huh. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality.

Also, homosexuality was never illegal (at least in this country) as you implied.





Also, homosexuality was never illegal (at least in this country) as you implied.


you are wrong, up until the last half of the twentieth century, most states and U.S. armed forces had sodomy laws on the books. by 2002 there had been 36 states that have repealed their sodomy laws, the remaining states sodomy laws were made basicaly mute by the 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision Lawrence v. Texas.

it was during the clinton administration, that dadt ( don't ask, don't tell) started. obama signed the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010 on december 22, 2010. and it is now slated to end sept 20 2011.

i'll have to do some more research. but in most states during the late 1800's and up to the 1940's or 50's, children as young as 12 years old could be married.

and up until 1920's the age of consent in the U.S. was as low as 7 years old.




In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10-12, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven. A New York Times article states that it was still aged seven in Delaware in 1895. [5] Female reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least sixteen, with ultimate goal to raise the age to eighteen; the campaign was successful: by 1920, almost all states had raised the age of consent to 16-18.[6][7] Social (and the resulting legal) attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example, while ages from ten to thirteen were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19th century,[1] the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing attitudes towards sexuality, childhood and adolescence, resulting in raising the ages of consent.[4]


the above quote came from this wiki.

Age Of Consent

and if you look deep enough you will find that Christians, were one of the first groups of people to raise the age of consent for girls.

here is another good link,

Campaign to Raise The age Of Consent

seems that all links on this page have been broken. if you do some research you will see that less than a hundred years ago views, were a lot different.

but that should be held for a new topic.

oh i forgot to add the wiki links for the sodomy laws

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...





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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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What about movies when they portray women getting raped? Does that encourage rape, and should it be a crime? What if a movie has an underage person that's raped or sexually violated. Is that encouraging pedophilia, and should it be a crime? These are interesting issues. In my view, movies SHOULD NOT have underage actors play the role of the underage victim. If the actor is of consenting age (18 in most states) then I think it's ok, even though I do not approve of it. Similarly, I think rape in movies is legal, but it's not respectable.

Similarly, if you rape underage women in your mind, I am ok with that even though it's profoundly disturbing. As long as you keep it to yourself privately and do not throw it in my face. I do not believe we should police peoples minds nor should we invade their privacy to dictate their habits.

As my previous post stated, any involvement of underage people should be a crime (and is).
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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you're having a reaction to the words/opinions of one person critiquing an association of learned professionals meeting to discuss a given topic.

the opinion of one Dr does not mean what they feel, or how they interpret this event, is in fact correct or true. it is just their point of view.

psychiatric professionals are people like you and i. they are mothers and fathers. they love their children. and many of them have seen first-hand the horrors that result from people being the victims of a paedophile, at all ages and both sexes.

to think that these Dr.'s want to minimalize or normalize these atrocities is bizarre; it runs against common sense and logic.

it might be that the Dr who made the inflammatory claims that upset you so greatly is seeking to make a name for themselves. i would not be surprised if that Dr will soon have a book coming out on the subject. it's sad but true: often people seek notoriety and profit. how they come by it often becomes secondary.

paedophilia is an incredibly explosive topic. so it does not take much to stir an ugly pot to make people enraged. a Dr can make all sorts of claims if they choose to, going against the grain on purpose to incite people. next thing you know they are on the talk show circuit and Oprah is recommending "buy this book!" while millions of horrified people across America scream "oh noes! won't someone think of the children!"

please, try to let good sense prevail when some person is making fantastic claims. things are not always as they may seem, especially when how they may seem to someone who may have a private agenda.



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