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General: China Could Be Planning Surprise Missile Attack on United States

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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Fortunately, as a society we choose to embrace freedom and democracy rather than tyranny.


Really, what are "we" as a society embracing right now?

Don't be so blinded by your patriotism and faith in freedom, democracy and the Almighty US of A that you fail to see what is actually going on around you.

Bluntly put, WAKE UP!

Have you completely missed the last ten years... Especially what has been going on in the last two??

It's hopeless, really what is the point, some people will only wake up when all of this hits them personally... Oblivious and faithful to the END!



Good luck, goodbye, and God bless America.




Lets clarify a couple of points and cut to the chase, shall we?

First off, a bit of wisdom you would do well to take to heart....

Men are respectable only as they respect

With that established, you should know that the faux intellectual superiority act is sophomoric and transparent.

I have no problem with healthy ideological debate however I am growing weary of self righteous academic failures spouting ignorant vitriol as fact and believing that nobody notices.

Education is an interesting quality, it will manifests itself in a myriad of unsuspecting ways and is something you can only fool those who are even less educated than yourself into believing you possess.

You may have deceived yourself into believing you have crafted the semblance of a coherent argument over the last few pages but in truth you've only tipped your hand to the fact that you are easily over your head, short on facts and incapable of supporting your position with any clarity.

You have not represented your point well in this discussion, you are clearly arguing from a posture of ignorance evidenced by the poor quality of the little content you have sourced to support your rebuttal.

By itself, ignorance of information is not a character flaw. An honest person who is interested in fact and truth would take a pause and make an attempt to learn when faced with the knowledge that they are out of their depth on a given subject matter.

A disingenuous person whose interests are motivated by agenda will resort to broad euphemisms and tired cliche's in the hope of continuing to fool the gullible and naive.

Do you honestly think for a second that it is anything besides ill-mannered and uncouth to have the audacity to glibly refute others with tired and lazy euphemisms after they have given you the courtesy of listening to your thinly veiled insults and failed character assassination of their country or ideals?

The United States certainly has its honest flaws and imperfections however the inescapable truth is that never before in the history of human civilization has a society wielded the power of the U.S. with the respect of individual freedoms and morality that the United States has shown during its entire lifetime.

I know that the majority of the criticism and accusations leveled towards the U.S. by many on this website are from grossly misinformed kids who are attracted to the make believe anti establishment zeitgeist of contemporary suburbia.

The angst driven naivety of the entitlement generation who do not understand the difference between individual freedom and civilized law because the local police tell them they cant ride their skateboards on the sidewalk at the mall.

Fortunately for everyone, They cant vote yet so their political opinions are largely inconsequential and with a little luck by the time they turn 18 they will have at least passed basic political science.

I do not disagree that America excerpts its will globally to manipulate geopolitics in both its own and its allies best interest. What is laughable is listening to somebody cite this as some fundamental flaw or proof of tyranny.

The role of every government is to protect the interests of its citizens. I defy anyone to provide an example of a state defining a foreign policy otherwise.

Interestingly, the closest example there is of a nation who places others interests ahead at the expense of its own citizens is unquestionably the United States of America.

The irony of those who espouse bold accusations of conspiracy and deceit against the United States publically and without fear of consequence under protection of the constitution would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic and insulting to both the forefathers and their fellow americans.

I cant help but wonder at the harsh reality many of the clueless who so vocally despise the U.S. would find themselves faced with if they woke up tomorrow and found themselves in some socialist paradise where their views were appreciated, someplace like Cuba or Venezuela or even the DPRK.

The accusations by some of United States culpability in mass civilian murder is another truly idiotic notion with no basis in reality. It is no secret to anyone that current U.S. military doctrine is clearly defined with an emphasis on minimizing collateral damage taking precedence.

The baby killer rhetoric is neither new nor accurate and nothing more a lazy attempt to co-opt the tired smears the radicalized left shamelessly embraced as protest against U.S. involvement in indochina during the 1960's and early 70's.

Again, while by no means perfect or without flaw, there has never before in the history of the world been a state of comparable power and influence that has placed such emphasis on civilian life or held its soldiers accountable to such a high standard of moral accountability.

I choose to participate in these types of discussions to ensure I have a balanced perspective and an understanding of separate viewpoints that differ from my own. I respect others opinions but am growing weary of those which are polarized by mindless hate fueled by gross ignorance and show no respect of their own.

My observations are supported by fact and the historical record of the actions of my country. Right or wrong my opinions withstand scrutiny, my facts are accurate, my ideals have historic precedence and are entirely a product of my own perspective.

I understand the history of civilization along with the political and economic decisions that have contributed to the rise and decline of the worlds great empires. Most importantly I understand how that history applies to the modern world.

My beliefs are the product of education and experience , not spoon fed to me by some internet ignoramus posting on the free wifi at McDonalds on their lunch break who hates the system because their parents kicked them out of the basement for smoking dope.

With respect to any other dissenting opinion, in this particular instance it is clear by the loose, pedestrian facts misrepresented in support the flawed conclusions voiced by your posts that you have used little real knowledge with which to form your worldview.

Blind and oblivious indeed....
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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The only thing you succeeded with there is sounding like a shill. Do some actual research and then you may actually have something to add on the topic. Also, who are these armchair tacticians you refer to? I, for one, have had some "unique" experiences regarding the topic. I think you need to be directing insults at the people that actually deserve them, not the ones who are trying to shed some light on a very misunderstood topic. Research it properly, then we'll talk.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by kellynap43
I love the people on here who are trying to make citizens of the USA scared of this possible attack that will never happen by China. Do these people understand that in this fantasy land where they would attack and win, that China would be coming after the rest of them after we are gone? Face it world, we are your protector. Support us or shut up and get out of the way.

Also- USA made and aircraft carrier in 1922. China makes one almost 90 years later. I’m pretty sure we have them beat in everything know to man, especially technology.


We are not the world's protector. We are but one arm of the world's destroyer.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Africa does not trust USA nor China.Rather they are more distrustful of American and European intentions.

As for Indonesia,if China offers them Australia for sharing,chances are Indonesia will be on China's side.

India,may stay neutral or be on USA's side.

Russia will wait out or join China in the escalations if USA continues to expand into Central Asia and Eastern
Europe.With Brzezinski plan to surround and destroy Russia via covert means,I believe Russia will join China.Expect weapons support to american constitutionalists,La Raza, Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters in the coming civil war.(which is why US govt is creating databases so that all dissidents could be simultaneously killed)

China has stopped REE supplies to West deliberately and reconstructing the REE industry will take 15 years.

Expectation of very major war timeline:2012-15

Russia vs USA/UK

Israel vs Muslim Brotherhood

Iran vs USA/muslim Brotherhood

Economic war between China and USA

Syria,Saudi Arabia,Iran will be destabilized.Israel will destabilized.Expectation of major natural disasters in USA in 2013 or major war with a major power(max probability Russia)



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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And with war-loving talk like that, if they do attack, you will have thoroughly deserved it. I think they should get every idiot who believes that war is a force for good to go to hawaii and call the chinese right in just to see if they would do anything. My bet is, they would not do a damn thing. Get over yourselves. Seriously, you ever wonder why people all over the world hate americans? Well there's reason numero uno right there : War culture-need I say more?



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil

Russia vs USA/UK



I hope if this war materialises, the UK sides with Russia. The UK should side with any enemy of the US.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
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The only thing you succeeded with there is sounding like a shill. Do some actual research and then you may actually have something to add on the topic. Also, who are these armchair tacticians you refer to? I, for one, have had some "unique" experiences regarding the topic. I think you need to be directing insults at the people that actually deserve them, not the ones who are trying to shed some light on a very misunderstood topic. Research it properly, then we'll talk.


At the risk of sounding redundant, which part of either my initial post in this thread, my response to your statement regarding what "we americans" fail to understand or any of the following contributions do you find to be lacking in either research or accuracy? (excepting my last post in response to Fractured Facade, which was admittedly heated and arguably deserving of an apology from myself)

May I be so bold as to ask the nature of your unique experiences regarding either the topic of PLA strategic nuclear capability or Chinese military industrial espionage?

I was being polite with the term "armchair tacticians". There are at most two or three people posting in this thread who seem to have an understanding of the topic.

The bulk of the "contributors" have little understanding, fewer facts but rich imaginations ( I was especially impressed with the youtube clip of the videogame, how far would you say that went to help shed some light on this very misunderstood topic?)

With research of that caliber being presented I completely understand your admonishment that others do "proper research"

As far as directing insults at the folks who are trying to shed some light on the topic, is it honestly too much to ask for someone to have the courtesy of making an effort to have a clue before proceeding to denigrate my country or is the rule that facts are optional as long as your trashing the U.S. military, the U.S. government or its citizenry?


Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Slayer has done an admirable job keeping the conversation rationale, I would like to add a few details.

Overlooking the obvious senselessness of armed conflict due to such minor considerations as trade interdependence and the post WWII preference for civilized diplomacy in lieu of military aggression....

While China unquestionably possesses the ability to force their will throughout their own geographical locale, China does not possess a credible strategic nuclear capability.

As pointed out by another poster, China has at most a couple of dozen delivery vehicles with the range and throw weight to threaten the U.S. mainland with a thermonuclear weapon.

Not only are China's DF-4 ICBM's incapable of the precision needed for a first strike against hardened targets, they are liquid fueled and require substantial preparation time to launch (unlike the U.S. Minutemen which are solid fueled and capable of near instantaneous launch from the time the order is received)

U.S. surveillance assets would be aware of any such PLA preparations well in advance and would in all likelihood take the appropriate preemptive measures.

China's SLBM capability is widely regarded as a paper tiger with at most 3 boats. Most western analysts believe that China has yet to sortie a single nuclear deterrence patrol, which considering the USN's unparalleled ASW capability is a smart decision.

China does not currently have a nuclear capable submarine launched cruise missile in its inventory.

As pointed out by other posters the U.S. has a well developed multi tier missile defense system in place and operational whose only real vulnerability is being overwhelmed in a saturation attack, which as stated above, is something the PLA does not have the resources to accomplish.

In a conventional role China does not have the ability to project their forces globally, they are very much a regional power and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Compare that to the current U.S. strategic nuclear triad of 500 deployed single warhead Minuteman ICBM's, 14 Ohio class boomers each with 24 Trident MIRV SLBM's and the nuclear capable bomber force of nearly 100 B-52's and 19 B-2's.

As a conventional force the United States is unparalleled in the ability to rapidly project overwhelming force globally and has the critical advantage of nearly 20 years of constant operational experience.

The U.S. arms and munitions industries have been spooled up to provide the equipment and supplies necessary to support multiple theatres of operations for nearly a decade.

The U.S. has known and applied the lesson learned by Imperial Japan during the second world war regarding the necessity of stockpiling reserves of the raw materials needed to wage protracted total war.

None of this is my opinion on the matter, these are facts that I will gladly source if anyone so requests.

The entire pretext that "China Could Be Planning Surprise Missile Attack on United States" is silly and naive.

Sorry to the Agent U.S.A. haters and PLA fanboys in the crowd but these are the facts.China can not now, nor in the near future, expect any outcome to this scenario other than the complete and total devastation of both their military and industrial infrastructure.


Yep, that was way of base...



Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
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What you americans don't seem to understand is that as soon as a new weapon is developed by your MIC, it is stolen and adapted into the chinese military. Ever heard of Huawei? Didn't think so.


What many of the armchair tacticians who espouse the philosophy that espionage equals innovation don't seem to understand is simple and twofold...

Theory is only part of the equation, the sophistication of industrial technology needed manufacture a weapon system is often the most difficult challenge to overcome.

Secondly, contrary to what some here would lead you to believe, the U.S. intelligence community is not staffed by incompetent fools. It is an old and effective counter espionage technique to purposefully allow an foreign intelligence program to be seeded with false information.

China has undoubtedly enjoyed a couple of major technological infusions at the expense of the U.S. defense industry, notably the miniaturization of the W88 warhead, terminal guidance capability of the Pershing II missile and the low observability technology of the agm 129a cruise missile.

These are certainly annoyances but by no means game changers.



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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Swanfilters
I hope if this war materialises, the UK sides with Russia. The UK should side with any enemy of the US.


I would hope so too but the politicians are complete lap dogs.

They cannot think for themselves.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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No actually the African Union pretty much is very nice and happy to the European Union. The Europeans randomly decided to grow some balls and a conscious after ww2. I suppose it was seeing the blatant disregard for human life on their own continent versus ignorantly tucked away somewhere else. While the Belgium and French pretty much cut and ran, leaving their colonies in everlasting war and genocide to this day, an many in which the US gets sucked into, the English actually did attempt to keep their colonies at peace while they left. For that reason, Nigeria, India, Egypt, South Africa, and others are a hell of a lot more peaceful. For this reason, and British commonwealth promises, the African Union does tend to trust the European Union a hell of a lot more than you'd expect, considering their history. If faced with an economically hungry China, they would fall in line, knowing damn well that China would occupy, Europe would not.


Share Australia? Uh, probably not considering Australia is a desert and it's only real value would be destroyed in a war. This isn't like Poland in WW2. This is like Croatia or something. No offense to Australia, but it is, in fact, an oil dependent services based economy, whose only purpose under joint Chinese-Indonesia rule a la Poland would be likely to aid China in being able to surround Indonesia and take over them all the more quickly.

Russia is a joke whose only purpose is the yearly role out of advanced former soviet designs, natural gas, and carpooling to the ISS. Beyond that, Russia is collapsing in many places. Many fiction stories these days deal with Russia having a civil war even. If anything, Russia will become a technocratic state, interested in taking advantage of Europe should she begin to collapse. There is the potential for economic black mail in the future. But Russia really simply is not that powerful nor interesting. It could definable stand its own against Europe in a war, but not against America.

Though you are correct for an American civil war. Just bare in mind that all it would take would be a noble general with corporate ties to unionize the military industrial complex, and then what you get is more or less a corporate feudal state system that's likely to come down on itself. It won't be a civil war. It will be a universal rejection of the federal government. It will be the Russian Revolution all over again. Though not communist, obviously. This is the tie breaker in a conflict. If China can funnel a nuke or something to this general, and he can feed it to the groups you mentioned, and time them to blow up the politicians, well you have a repeat of Russia being pulled out of WW1 100 years ago. Once again, this century follows the last pretty damn closely.

I don't know what REE is. Please explain.



You're timeline there seems somewhat accurate, though I imagine that the results would be a Nazi-like government taking over in America, as the unionized Military Industrial Complex fills the power vacuum from the fall of th federal government. After that, I mean, I'm not all that concerned. After all, if this government chooses to scapegoat corruption and evil people rather than poor innocent people, it may just be one of the best governments to ever reach America. Let the world burn if this government comes to America. I would rather enjoy it.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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seriously a lot of your post is based on stereotypes from TV.Africa has been invaded and enslaved by the whites not chinese. Chinese did not inroads in Africa on the basis of exploitation,but friendship




he English actually did attempt to keep their colonies at peace while they left

is this some kind of joke ? Great Britain is the biggest mass murderer in History and its documented by NCERT and indian historian who have stated that british were responsible for the death of more than 200 million indians during the British raj.



Russia is a joke whose only purpose is the yearly role out of advanced former soviet designs, natural gas, and carpooling to the ISS. Beyond that, Russia is collapsing in many places. Many fiction stories these days deal with Russia having a civil war even. If anything, Russia will become a technocratic state, interested in taking advantage of Europe should she begin to collapse. There is the potential for economic black mail in the future. But Russia really simply is not that powerful nor interesting. It could definable stand its own against Europe in a war, but not against America


some of former soviet designs were more advanced than anything american and its economically efficient to use them.secondly Russia has the best budget ary management practices in the world and lowest debt level in the world.
www.zerohedge.com...

and USA also carpools to the ISS with the crap shuttle always demanding maintainance and USA totally is in debt



Russia is collapsing in many places.

that was during yeltsin not under Putin






But Russia really simply is not that powerful nor interesting


Russia has a kind of strategic superiority in the form of 200 massive underground cities ,30 of them the size of large cities and thousands of underground bunkers fortified against nuclear attack and the narrowband HPM weaponry in the class of petawatts and torsional weaponry you cannot imagine.

maybe you should read psychotronic Golgotha




I don't know what REE is. Please explain.


rare earth elements.check my and ludwigvonmises003's posts on this.
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Buncha sucka** chinese arent going to attack anyone except dissidents within their own country...or maybe Tibet...they have this huge army and all to defnd themselves with and all



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Meekbot2000
I know americans like to deny that it could even happen because "no one would do that we would nuke them" but the chinese are very capable. They did launch a missle off the coast of California as well as pop up in the middle of an American naval exercise. Im not saying they would, but they could attack mainland USA. With troop all over the world the mainland troops would be shorthanded on an all out attack.

Also if the chinese attacekd american mainland the americans wouldnt just hop in planes and fly to china to bomb them, they would be foremost concerned with protecting their own country. If someone is robbing your house you dont run away to their house and rob it back, you first have to defend your own home.


Come on do you REALLY think that was a missile launch off the coast of Cali' ???? don't believe everything you read on ATS...sheeeesh some peoples children



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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They also have this HUGE investment in money in this country,secured with California real estate(They own Los Angeles)...an attack would be pretty much the same as shooting at themselves....I know their leadership is a bunch of dumba**es but thats going pretty far even for them....besides what would they do without 6000 WalMarts to sell their junk?
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posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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seriously a lot of your post is based on stereotypes from TV.Africa has been invaded and enslaved by the whites not chinese. Chinese did not inroads in Africa on the basis of exploitation,but friendship


That's exactly how the Europeans started off. Hell, that's how most future-conquerors start off. With acts of friendship.

What past men did is irregardless to present men. Rome also practically made north Africa uninhabitable for a number of years, yet today Libya and Italy were close business partners before the revolution.


Call it tv this or that, but the fact of the matter is that Africa's greatest ally in the modern era is America and the Europeans. China isn't flying aid packages and putting up hospitals. They're dealing with resources and resources only....kind of like how the Early Europeans were dealing with Africa.

I'd trust a white man giving me funds to teach my people over a Chinese diplomat inspecting my oil fields any day.




is this some kind of joke ? Great Britain is the biggest mass murderer in History and its documented by NCERT and indian historian who have stated that british were responsible for the death of more than 200 million indians during the British raj.


Yes they were mass murderers. As were the Romans to the British, as were the Chinese to the Indochinese, as were the Muslims to the Africans. What people did in the past is irregardless to modern day. What matters is what you are trying to do today. When the British finally left, they were the only ones whom tried to make sure the situation was peaceful when they did leave. Compare the social and economic conditions of countries the French and Belgium colonized to that of the British.




many of former soviet designs were more advanced than anything american and its economically efficient to use them.secondly Russia has the best budget ary management practices in the world and lowest debt level in the world.


Yea right. Russian cars and equipment are notoriously backwards and out dated. Russian military technical skills occasionally role out a really cool plane, or a really cool tank, but besides that it's all outdated. After all, most of the countries we fight these days use soviet tech. Iraq's army lasted what, 2 weeks?


Debt levels are pretty useless in showing a countries abilities or not. A country making 15 trillion dollars a year with the world's best military can afford a larger debt than a country making 10% of that and with a history of unstable government.

Furthermore, I'd like a real source for your claim. I'll supply mine. See, Russia's income is drastically less than the US.

www.google.com...:RUS&dl=en&hl=en&q=russian+gdp#ctype=l&strail=false&nselm= h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:RUS:USA&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en

You can see the Russians are pretty much just more stable than us, in a peace time situation. But they are having their own economic woes, and continue to have a number of issues. They beat us in a few fields, but all signs show that Russia could not practically hope to compete with us, and if they did, they would face some serious problems. Furthermore, it's clear that our own economic burps mirror theirs, indicating their economy is at least partially linked with ours. IE, we fall, they fall.

China is the real contender here. Russia is old news.





Russia has a kind of strategic superiority in the form of 200 massive underground cities ,30 of them the size of large cities and thousands of underground bunkers fortified against nuclear attack and the narrowband HPM weaponry in the class of petawatts and torsional weaponry you cannot imagine. maybe you should read psychotronic Golgotha


Cool claims. Where's the sources?

Also, I doubt those cities are occupied if they actually exist. And in case you didn't know, a ground-blast nuke applies to a bunker buster irradiates such places, more or less making them irrelevant.




rare earth elements.check my and ludwigvonmises003's posts on this.


Yes, they do have those. But thanks to the diversity of nature, we can find something else. Seems we managed to get titanium out of Russia WHILE they were our enemies. So I've no doubt we could pull it off again.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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You guys over in the US really don’t have to worry about China trying to invade or bomb you. Europe would no doubt help the US if they were invaded so it is not in China's best interest to destroy what they a buying. Instead they will come to collect more frequently until you have little left. Why throw away all that is owed to them to risk a fight against US and allies when they can just collect what is theirs over time.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil
Expect weapons support to american constitutionalists,La Raza, Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters in the coming civil war.(which is why US govt is creating databases so that all dissidents could be simultaneously killed)


Will they ship UPS or air drop? I need to know so that I know whether to send my address or grid coordinates to the Kremlin. I've got plenty of storage space. Should be able to handle a couple of loaded Antonovs.

Interesting that you include la Raza amongst all the other, opposed factions. Don't like La Raza or something? Want to see them erased? Give them and the constitutionalist-libertarian-Ron Paul axis both weapons, and tell 'em to go to town, see who comes out still breathing.

Government database to kill all the dissidents simultaneously? Pshaw. Can't be done. They ain't got the manpower, and what manpower they have ain't got the will power. If you think erasing a handful of Hajiis has given them fits, let 'em try this tack of yours on for size.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91



Russia has a kind of strategic superiority in the form of 200 massive underground cities ,30 of them the size of large cities and thousands of underground bunkers fortified against nuclear attack and the narrowband HPM weaponry in the class of petawatts and torsional weaponry you cannot imagine. maybe you should read psychotronic Golgotha


Cool claims. Where's the sources?

Also, I doubt those cities are occupied if they actually exist. And in case you didn't know, a ground-blast nuke applies to a bunker buster irradiates such places, more or less making them irrelevant.



He's right about the Russian underground cities existing, although I doubt there are 200 of them of "city" size. Some, however, are. They were constructed back during the cold war, at the height of the US-USSR paranoia. Seems the Russians may have cared more about their citizens, but I suspect it was an effort to protect their industrial base, rather than concern for the citizenry as it was billed. They are not occupied, but they are stocked up - or were, prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union. I would imagine that in the aftermath of that collapse, a lot of those supplies "disappeared" into the black market.

Radiation in such places is a negligible concern. If a burst is close enough to irradiate them through the shielding, it will be close enough to create grievous mechanical damage, if not outright destroy them. Radiation takes a back seat to falling chunks of reinforced concrete ceilings under such circumstances for injury considerations.

I'm with you on the Chinese inroads into Africa, though. Ever since they built a factory there to produce AK ammo for the locals I've been suspicious of their African motivations. Seems to me that they want the herd to cull itself so that they don't have to, and so that the survivors will be more pliant to Chinese direction.




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Oh I know they have some underground cities. I recall an artist named EVOL making a small scale one in Germany.

I'm not so sure about them being as big as cities.

As to nukes, they do irradiate water. And I suspect these places would be dependent on ground water. Well, guess where all the heavy radioactive particles seep into? underground water reserves. (actually, on a side note, I wonder if any of those underground oceans in asia are irradiated. Could lead to some interesting speculation of the past).


Some part of my brain tells me China sees that many African nations have growing female populations and they want to deal with their own sausage fest problem in about 30 years, but that's more along the lines of entertaining speculation.

China seems to simply be planning for its future. Something kings and queens of Europe did quite similar with regards to Africa. China has an entire column of land it could just march down and consume endlessly, starting from Indochina, marching east into India, the middle east, Africa, and then by then they can go to space to get more. It's perfectly lined up for them. People, then water, than oil, than land for farming. Quite literally the exact supply-demand timeline of the west for the last century or so, into the next 50 years.



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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and we have standing armies in each State...they are called hunters..with high powered rifles plenty of ammo, some of wich they load themselves...bring it on...



posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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In case one wonders why “dumping” State (Department) cables via wiki-leaks is not always a great idea, there is a need for communications of a sensitive nature to stay CLASSIFIED. Yeah, yeah I know, the use of “Classified" Labels has been used for covering up dumb ass behavior (usually something that will embarrass) but there really is a need for certain entities in the government and “associates” to communicate with out the WHOLE firkin world hearing about it. The nature of a communique can reveal the “holy of holies”, sources&methods, not to mention operations/order of battle plans, and names of both “on the books” and not contacts (spies). There is often a need to communicate cross-agency, DOD-State-NSC, etc. NO ONE in their right mind will trust anyone if the details are published, no matter how “noble” (my ass) the intent. Needless to say, if a source is revealed to be compromised, other methods of “gossip/and anything else" are used. So other ways are used to hide the more interesting poop, yet still there is a risk, to say the very least. It can be a recipe for cookies, whatever it is it reveals details about who wrote it...




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