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Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33
Originally posted by Artorius
reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33
When I've spoke in tongues its usually to myself. Iv'e heard people just go off and start babbling and like Paul said, its pointless for the benefit of the listeners. From the speakers perspective, it fills you with joy and strength (at least in my experiences) so its not pointless to them. I've also heard people speak it then decipher an awesome word straight from God. Sometimes it is genuinely uncontrollable when the Holy Spirit's presence is strong then again, some people want attention so you must use wisdom.edit on 1-9-2011 by Artorius because: (no reason given)
How do you know it's from the Holy Spirit and not demons? Convulsing and rolling around and shaking looks like demon possession to me.
Originally posted by Artorius
Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33
Originally posted by Artorius
reply to post by IlluminatusOculus33
When I've spoke in tongues its usually to myself. Iv'e heard people just go off and start babbling and like Paul said, its pointless for the benefit of the listeners. From the speakers perspective, it fills you with joy and strength (at least in my experiences) so its not pointless to them. I've also heard people speak it then decipher an awesome word straight from God. Sometimes it is genuinely uncontrollable when the Holy Spirit's presence is strong then again, some people want attention so you must use wisdom.edit on 1-9-2011 by Artorius because: (no reason given)
How do you know it's from the Holy Spirit and not demons? Convulsing and rolling around and shaking looks like demon possession to me.
I might get excited/ jump a little bit/dance/shake but rarely to that extent lol. People who act like that usually want attention this is true but sometimes the Holy Spirit can fill you up and blow your mind...people tend to go a little crazy when that happens in a good way. If they look like idiots to anyone why does that matter? They are having the time of their lives rejoicing in God!! Let them be ...The difference between feeling something from God or the devil is the emotions that come with the action. When you're in the presence of the Holy Spirit, joy/peace/zeal/understanding/awe overcome you.Demons want to make you feel the total opposite sadness/confusion/prideful/angry/lustful/fearful. That's how I know its not them because I only feel positive emotions and the power of God... their main goal is to draw us away from God through these emotions. Letting pride or fear of what you look like to others hold you back during worship will rob you of a possible life changing or simply rejuvenating experience. That's what the demons want more than anything else....edit on 1-9-2011 by Artorius because: (no reason given)
I had that happen to me once, where five demons came up through the floor and grabbed me and pulled me down to hell.
Do you truly feel/know that demons are real? I mean are there actual demonic entities roaming the lands ( albeit invisibly) looking for souls to corrupt and drag to hell?
No friends or relatives. Seems it was people showing up so it was whoever had come soon before and soon after I did, who were the people I met and talked to. I would not say that anyone was necessarily damned so much as just recently deceased. There was no torture going that I was aware of. I did not see Satan and if I did see angels there, they would have been distant to where I could not make them out well. It felt like I may have been there a long time up to two months, gauging by events, but there was no sun, moon, or stars, or day and night, to be able to tell time. It was as if I was in a high vaulted room that was so big that the ceiling would have been in the fuzzy distance. I mean if there was no features to it and it was just a smooth dome, you would not be able to judge its distance. So there was an ambient light without an apparent source. I never felt hungry or thirsty and the general mood there seemed to be resignation verging on apathy but with an overriding sense of bewilderment.
Originally posted by dreadphil
reply to post by jmdewey60
ok now wait a minute. you say that you litterally were dragged down to hell by 5 demons that came up thru the floor? Ok some questions for you then.. first of all how did you escape? why 5 demons and not more or less? What was it like in hell? smells. emotions, physical feelings? temperature? was there light to see? do you have any physical scars? What did the demons look like? had u imbided any drugs and/or alchohol ( I ask this repectfully and in sincerity). Did these demons say anything to you? Where in hell were you?(pun not intended) what did it look like? Did u see Satan? were there any more damned souls? were u tortured? Im not intentionally making light of this..but you MUST admit this is a truly extraordinary claim..was there a sense of direction and/or spatial awareness there? were there sounds? were you hot or cold? were you hungry or thirsty?how long were you there? Did you see angels or god or jesus? did you see relatives or friends? sorry to hit you with a flurry of questions but as I said, extraordinary!!
Originally posted by IlluminatusOculus33
Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church. -1 Corinthians 14:6-12
But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. -1 Corinthians 14:19
So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? -1 Corinthians 14:23
If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God. -1 Corinthians 14:27-28
Basically the Apostle Paul says it's better to give clear instructions and not some incoherent babbling. When someone speaks in tongues another has to be able to interpret it. The speaking in tongues movement doesn't do any of that. They just randomly say gibberish that has no meaning. Like Paul said it makes them sound crazy when the whole congregation does it. Pentecostals tend to ignore what Paul taught.
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by dreadphil
As a saved Christian and born again Child of God, I am more than Bitter about TONS of things! I down right hate many things, and people. I can't stand sin or the flesh....and for that matter I can't stand my own self half the time BECAUSE of my useless flesh!
But the point is, I can, should, and will be ANGER over much more than just this issue, as I am commanded to be according to the Holy Bible. I am not mad at you however, as you are just seeking answers here. So I am sorry if I may have seemed mad at you. I am not, I am only mad at the foolishness of tonuges.
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by dreadphil
As a saved Christian and born again Child of God, I am more than Bitter about TONS of things! I down right hate many things, and people. I can't stand sin or the flesh....and for that matter I can't stand my own self half the time BECAUSE of my useless flesh!
But the point is, I can, should, and will be ANGER over much more than just this issue, as I am commanded to be according to the Holy Bible. I am not mad at you however, as you are just seeking answers here. So I am sorry if I may have seemed mad at you. I am not, I am only mad at the foolishness of tonuges.
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by dreadphil
As a saved Christian and born again Child of God, I am more than Bitter about TONS of things! I down right hate many things, and people. I can't stand sin or the flesh....and for that matter I can't stand my own self half the time BECAUSE of my useless flesh!
But the point is, I can, should, and will be ANGER over much more than just this issue, as I am commanded to be according to the Holy Bible. I am not mad at you however, as you are just seeking answers here. So I am sorry if I may have seemed mad at you. I am not, I am only mad at the foolishness of tonuges.
What a joke!
That not enough? Here is a little New Testament doctrine for you:
Romans 9:13
"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau HAVE I HATED."
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