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WTF is wrong with us Americans?!

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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You want a leader? Alright then, I'll lead. I have no problem defying authority. Been doing it all my life. What is needed is a movement, similar to the Tea Party, but set up as a non-profit. Why non-profit? Well, if you are really going to take the bull by the horns, it will mean a lot of people. It will mean lawyers, strategists, etc. It will need foot soldiers (lack of a better term) to do the field work. As a 501(c) non-profit, you can raise funds and employ these people. It is also an opportunity to put people to work. What better way to help the economy recover than to put people back to work regaining their country? I couldn't think of anything better!




posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
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Here are the main reasons why Americans are not protesting:

- American Idol
- America's Got Talent
- Fox news
- Hollywood
- Celebrities
- Excessive Student Loans
- Excessive Debt
- Lady Gaga
- Fake Politicians assuring them Freedom and tax cuts
- They have no clue that America is doomed once the dollar collapses, which the Fed intends to do just to make America's Debt "cheaper".

And the list goes on and on...


I couldn't agree more; First the Romans used the Arena to put on a show to distract the public. Today it is much more improved and addictive.
The other thing is that the new and improved entertainment is at home on a screen. This prevents people from gathering.


it's a distraction, nothing means nothing, even christians.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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this maybe,




I couldn't agree more; First the Romans used the Arena to put on a show to distract the public. Today it is much more improved and addictive. The other thing is that the new and improved entertainment is at home on a screen. This prevents people from gathering.


ya think?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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Dude, he said nothing about christians, so get off it. The romans also had gladiators. The point being made was that they distracted the populace in order to do what they wanted.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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I was one of those in the 60's who protested on college campuses, and camped out in parks, trying to "be the change I wanted to see in the world". See where that got us? Now, you can barely hold a family reunion without a special permit! As the poster above said, those same people in the 60's are now our leaders! All we did in the 60's was teach our government ways to stop us from doing those same things now.

We have a country going downhill faster every year, a government who strong arms poorer countries and their people for their assets, and a president who caves more than a professional spelunker. Every generation has its problems. Only problem, the only ones who learned anything from our protesting was the government. Look around! Is your life better than life was in the 60's?
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by jdb51
I was one of those in the 60's who protested on college campuses, and camped out in parks, trying to "be the change I wanted to see in the world". See where that got us? Now, you can barely hold a family reunion without a special permit! As the poster above said, those same people in the 60's are now our leaders! All we did in the 60's was teach our government ways to stop us from doing those same things now.



Yes and consider that for the "leaders" of the 60s protesters, protesting was a tool that they now want to have an exclusive on. And dont anyone get on me here for promoting the Tea Party becouse I am not, but you see the way they are handled by the same folks that used public protest back in their day? Who are now in power? These are now deciding what constitutes legitiment public protest. Its meet the new boss same as the old boss.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Its hard to find a leader that will work non profit, see the tea party while it started with the best intentions by the people it was not speared from private interest, as the movement grew in numbers so the dependency on big money.

The government has a WAY to infiltrate movements that are started by the people and eliminate them before they become a danger to the status quo.

Targeting them as homegrown terrorist, the only reason that the tea party is still going is because it was turned into a way for private interest and political parties advantage with the right amount of bribery (I mean "financial" support).

Spying on American citizens, anarchist, anti government groups and possible militant groups is the job of private interest that then sells the information to the government, because the government spying is not done by them but by private entities with grants paid by tax payer dollars.

The American gestapo is run by private interest, they will squash any small movement unless the movement have enough monetary funding and like I say most of the funding comes from sources that are after their own agendas.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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And that may be, but like the old saying goes, if at first you don't succeed, try try again. Failure is not an option at this stage of the game. You have to start under the radar, grow under the radar, and then by the time they realize you are there, you are too big and they can't do much at that point. Think of it as a new constitutional convention if you will. The group forms to hammer out the agenda and how to proceed. What is the message, and goals? Where to solicit funds? Heck, I bet there are even grants for this! How ironic would that be?

Point being, if there is a will, there is a way. Will there be collateral damage? Possibly, but I for one am willing to take that gamble, are you? How many others are willing to walk the walk and talk the talk of our forefathers? Actions speak loader than words, so here's the chance to prove what you say, and I mean everyone who feels this way.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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In one of Katy Perry's song she sings about the possibliity that 'they' or 'someone' did put something in the water.

Maybe that is the reason why certain people/ elements in the US government can do whatever they want without ever held responsible in court of justice....the people are made docile ...... is the proper word I guess..


Fortunately I still had time to edit my reply...I have something to show you.

I am not an american but if I had to choose a guy who has the spunk and would be an example to represent the USA it would be him. Pure american and is convinced of what is good for his country...a no nonsense kindda guy when it comes to his country. Somewhere in the interview he says some true stuff about what the situation is in the US. It would not surprise me if he is an ATS member too.

This interview is from 2008 but the matter is still very actual....this guy deserves my respect and he rocks also.




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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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While I can agree with some of the tea party's ideas, I cannot agree with what it has become. It may have been started with every good intention in the world, but has been hijacked by the likes of the Koch Brothers, Glenn Beck, and Sarah Palin among others. While I do not believe it to be a racist organization, a small minority of those that support the tea party are, this gives the whole thing a bad taste in my mouth.

There needs to be many things done in this country, but dismantling the federal government, without replacing it with state or local resources will bring about nothing but violent conflict, that I truly believe none of us want to see. If violent conflict is what you are about, I suggest you do some reading on the violent conflict that was waged from 1861-1865.

Corporations are not people, they do not police themselves in anyway shape or form, thus many of the regulations that we have now. A certain portion of our population see no reason for education, another reason why we have a Department of Education.

I do believe in personal responsibility, however to drop it on a group of people that are generational welfare receipiants is going to lead to violent conflict. Whatever we do, needs to start locally, and I am sure programs have been started, but much like the tea party, corporate sponsorship takes over and they are doomed.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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All I have to say is I have a new respect for him. Never really knew a lot about him, just knew he was outspoken. The guy seems genuine, and straightforward. Too bad many Americans are not like him. If more of us were, as he said about Jefferson, then we would not be in this situation.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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There is cause for optimism, believe me. I've been among the remnant of Constitutionalists believers for 30 years - many I know have suffered much longer under the tyranny of the stupid.
Our numbers have exploded over the last few years; this is good news. The first step in any successful revolution is to secure the support of the people. I think this is happening now. This is a peaceful revolution and hopefully it will stay that way. We want to revolutionize thinking, not kill people for not agreeing with us. It has been a long, slow process trying to persuade folks that we have been on the wrong course, but reality has a way of persuading even the most hard headed, and I think we can all agree that reality has come a-knocking.
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
I am on ATS most days, all day. I see constantly the madness that people of authority have done to abuse our freedoms. Yet I do not see people, en mass, protesting this. WTF is wrong with us? Our parents, and some grandparents did more protesting over a war in the 60's. This is our home, our country, our freedoms at stake. What is it going to take for us to finally wake up and say enough is enough! When are we going to make ourselves heard and finally take control back from those who have abused their powers?

I served in the US Navy, and I did not serve to allow this kind of BS to take place. I fully support and defend the Constitution, and ALL Americans should be doing the same! Stop allowing TPTB to take away your freedoms! Fight for them! Protest and label those who abuse them, and try to take them away! For god's sake, get your head out of your a$$ and do something to protect our freedoms before it is too late!!!!


If I may, I would like to ask you to indulge me in responding to your query but first....


I am on ATS most days, all day.


I normally advocate moderation, especially in engaging in matters which are prone to evoke strong sentiments... but ATS lacks the unbalanced focus, so I don't think being here more than elsewhere is much of a problem... except.. take a breath every now and again... step away and try to relax a bit....


....I do not see people, en mass, protesting this. WTF is wrong with us?


Nothing is wrong with us... we are not protesting because of something I call residual wisdom.

Just as you pointed out, our parents or grandparents personally witnessed or participated in massive and heated protest against government conduct. Of course, most of them were young and believed that a harmonious vision of a better future would somehow help to get us there....

It didn't.

In fact, many of the more charismatic and celebrity prone protesters ended up in charge - or close to it - ... lo and behold.... they embraced the construct and became exactly what they decried as foul and repugnant so many years before.

Protest is not the solution... certainly not the kind most envision when using the term. Protest is the cheese in the trap... and most mice nowadays know better. The fact that protest is almost always projected as an emotional frenzy (nakedly vulnerable to agent provocateurs) is telling... because there is a form of protest almost never discussed that MIGHT work...but I will not digress out of respect for your OP.


... When are we going to make ourselves heard and finally take control back from those who have abused their powers?


It is not now, nor will it be in the near future - about "making ourselves heard." Those to whom we would seek redress know EXACTLY what our sentiments are - THEY DON'T CARE. You can repeat your disaffection until you are blue in the face, you can tell them with the finest eloquence or the basest verbal assault... it isn't about them not "hearing" us... it's about them discounting the public will as irrelevant. They DO HEAR us, ... they just don't care about US. This whole charade of governance is not about US... it's about them (the club) - their vainglory, their posterity, their 'entertainment' and their 'well being' and most telling it's about their self-perpetuated ENTITLEMENT to rule.



(please forgive what you may find offensive or profane... there is wisdom herein: Carlin RIP)


I served in the US Navy, and I did not serve to allow this kind of BS to take place.


To me this is heartbreaking.... I am a 12-year veteran of the US Air Force... I am proud of my service... and I will confide in you this much.... not ONE single veteran I know... not ONE, reitred, honorably discharged, dishonorably discharged, medically ejected, disabled - or otherwise ... recognizes this as the same country which they swore an oath to serve..... I don't know if non-veterans can see the significance in that.... but it is the single most depressing facet of being a veteran that I share with them. This is NOT what we were willing to die for... it WAS when we signed up... or at least it was tolerably closer..... but now.... not even close..... perhaps that's why it is apparently so tolerable for the government that there are destitute homeless veterans out there among us.... this could lead to a rant of my own so I will stop....


... get your head out of your a$$ and do something to protect our freedoms before it is too late!!!! ...


I know you may disagree.... but we are doing something... right here... right now... and by the way... it is NEVER too late. The idea of a time limit on achievable freedom is a political concept ... divest yourself of that baggage ... the right thing is ALWAYS the right thing.... and it will always surface... Freedom cannot be eliminated, only temporarily squelched.
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by BubbaJoe

There needs to be many things done in this country, but dismantling the federal government, without replacing it with state or local resources will bring about nothing but violent conflict, that I truly believe none of us want to see. If violent conflict is what you are about, I suggest you do some reading on the violent conflict that was waged from 1861-1865.

Corporations are not people, they do not police themselves in anyway shape or form, thus many of the regulations that we have now. A certain portion of our population see no reason for education, another reason why we have a Department of Education.


Many at large and in the Tea Party understand the Department of Education to be in place to insure proper brainwashing rather than proper eductation. Unfortunately there is much and very good reason to believe this. The DoE is just another brick in the wall.

The Tea Party it is clear is of such a nature that they are going to gravitate toward producers in this society. They do see the forms and philosophies of socialisim as the far larger threat to personal freedom and prospeirty. But to be fair there are some libertarian types that also hold that economic monopoly and corpotate intersts first is not all its cracked up to be. However even these respect what corporate america can provide above the alternative.

There are some things at work in regards to shunting power back to the states but unfortuately those that protest these moves are so void of any real understanding of the relationship between the states and the fed, that they liken all state exertions to its worse case, the Civil War, and thus define the whole of the issue to emanations steming from 1860 secessionst philosophy.....and we can thank the DoE for this. While these see the Federal Government as savior then they fail to see that the shoe is one the other foot now. That the Fed is a blackmailer of states, collectiong money from states and then using the same as leverage agaist the very people of whos it is. Any good example where the FedG has steped in to insures civil rights in the past have now become forged into a new type of shackle to secure states rights from their just exercise in the face of out of hand federal control. So narrow has this become to some that any move of states to free themselves are seen as a new birth of the Copper Heads and a nostalgic return to Sweet Home Alabama.



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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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not only you americans but hey, at least we will all go down together ....



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by MrsBlonde

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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All the chemicals in our food, water, medicine, pretty much everything is keeping us all down.. Its all about the chemicals man, it's keeping most of us down.. All the hormones in our food nowadays, just look at the little 13 year old girls with bigger boobs these days.. Menstral cycles are happening for girls a lot younger in their lives due to these chemicals.. And to add to that we are distracted at every corner of our lives.. We constantly have bills, children, work to worry about.. It honestly would take a huge shakeup and the threatening of our everyday lives to get people off the couch.. Thats just my opinion of course..



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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A big part of the problem is that our media went from getting the public outraged and organized to protest, to being part of the government propaganda machine. As long as their guy holds the office, they're going to keep the public nice and stupid.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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millions of Americans are busily donating time, money or both to all sorts of organizations that seek to right the wrongs and make America a better place. they've been doing it for a long time. since before either of us were born, in fact.

ever notice you almost never hear of these people or these groups in the news? darn straight. it is when the keepers of the flame and the do-gooders happen to be doing something (or trying to) that goes right in line with what our fearless leaders have inked on their personal agendas, those causes get support, publicity and walked up the steps and made into Bills and what-not.

these causes that do get support usually also help to further etch away at the stone, divide and conquer, and place another law or statute upon the citizens. we've seen it happen time and time again. oh, something to make sure the kiddies are safe? only a demon sicko nazi would oppose that, right? pass a Bill, make up new Laws. next thing you know guys will spend a lifetime in the public eye on a sex offender pervert list because they urinated behind a dumpster. what few causes that get recognition also get twisted and manipulated and used against the masses.

WTF is wrong with us Americans? The same thing that was wrong with the Germans in the 1930's. Youth are misled by blind patriotism, and instead of being in America and standing ready to defend our borders, they are sent to shiat holes around the globe where we aren't welcome and we don't belong. Our Government is obviously hell-bent on taking over the world regardless of cost to human life, suffering, destruction etcetera. Hitler has been looking up from his grave for a very long time at our leaders, shaking his fist and muttering "you magnificent bastids!" Meanwhile another of the governments paid muscle, law enforcement 'professionals' are often quick to play the merciless thug, free to injure and kill unarmed citizens. we read of it every day. On and on it goes.

In all my many years on earth I've never met a sane sober adult who thought war is a good idea. that whole time I've been alive our government has had us at war here or there, always. while millions of people around the world hate us for it. It is sick and evil yet it never ends. You won't find very many children of the powerful wealthy joining the armed forces. hmmm, wonder why.

These freedoms and rights and wonderful documents so many are so quick to point to - they mean nearly nothing now. Our freedom is in our mind. Our rights are a nice concept. If you aren't a very wealthy man, if you don't come from a well-to-do and connected family, well good luck to you. That's some of what is wrong with us Americans.



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