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Judge rules on Obama's Social Security Number

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Judge rules on Obama's Social Security Number


www.wnd.com

Announcing it's "not her lucky day," a federal judge in Washington, D.C., has told an eligibility attorney he has dismissed her case demanding information from the Social Security Administration regarding President Obama's Social Security Number, sought because of suspicions it may be fraudulent.

The case was filed by California attorney Orly Taitz, who has brought many of the major court challenges to Obama's eligibility based on a lack of evidence that he meets the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."

The case at hand was filed against
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Well, there you have it.

The POTUS personal info is more important to protect than the atty's/USA right to know etc.

Regardless how many laws may have been broken. Sounds to me like she has then scared.

We'll see what any appeal produces but at this point, I would say she won't get too far. Except that she did help highlight the loopholes that exist in the current processes.

This will help future elections-if nothing else. From now on, you'll see every canidate with the B.C. held high..

Well Except for the 2012 election. You won't see Obama talking about it or producing any more fakes. He can't afford to.

As of now... Case Closed.

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Again if you don't have anything to hide. Why hide it?



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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It honestly is pointless to continue this. I myself do not believe that he meets eligibility requirements for POTUS. That being said, how much do I actually care?

Since not much can be done about it, I prefer to focus on the complete and total train-wreck he has turned the United States into. Actually, in my opinion the train was already speeding down the tracks at 80mph when Bush left office, he just jumped in and kept it on the rails.

America needs alot more than to prove Obama isn't eligible. We need a complete and total restructuring of government and we have to do it with looming global economic collapse.

Get your heads out of your asses and start focusing on real problems that we can actually solve.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Hehe, it was soooooo predictable.

I agree with you that we wont hear anything from him on that case.

It seems that the POTUS really is above the law.

Case dismissed!!

Peace out.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by bigwig22
It seems that the POTUS really is above the law.



Exactly the opposite in fact!

Perhaps you should read the actual reasons for the dismisal of the case??


"The SSA explained that the Privacy Act of 1974 ... protects the personal information of social security number holders," he wrote. "The SSA determined ... the plaintiff had identified no public interest that would be served by disclosure.

"Plaintiff makes no secret of her intention to use the redacted Form SS-5 to identify the holder of social security number xxxx-xxx-4425 – or, as plaintiff puts it, to confirm her suspicion that the president is fraudulently using that number," the judge wrote.


So ther you go - a law from 1974 prohibits the use of SSN's for the purpose the plaintiff admitted he wanted it - in effect he said "Hey - give me the infoso I can break the law with it" - and the judge quite rightly told him to sod off.

it goes to show that even the POTUS is afforded the protection of the law!
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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As a public official they are forced to show eligibility to hold office hence that law should have been bypassed. If any worker for a company had filed an application using false information they are subject to termination by the company, and if the request to look into the subject is reasonable based on evidence is shouldn't be dismissed in court

the plaintiff had identified no public interest that would be served by disclosure. that's only if the SS number was proven to be his if it wasn't then the president is liable for criminal charges and he would defiantly be thrown out of office. This ruling should only be used to protect people from identity theft and seeing as how he wasn't forced to become president it shouldn't hold any weight in the court room. Even if he is a citizen his actions pertaining to his BC and social security number show he is hiding something
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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No More Secrecy, Thats the commitment I make to you as president!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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Full disclosure here: Registered Republican, conservative, did not vote for Obama.



Originally posted by bftroop
 


Again if you don't have anything to hide. Why hide it?


I ask the same of you. Mind posting for us your real name, address, and SSN? Nothing to hide right?


Originally posted by Helious

Get your heads out of your asses and start focusing on real problems that we can actually solve.


Well said, This is probably the most on-point comment this thread will see.


Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
So ther you go - a law from 1974 prohibits the use of SSN's for the purpose the plaintiff admitted he wanted it - in effect he said "Hey - give me the infoso I can break the law with it" - and the judge quite rightly told him to sod off.

it goes to show that even the POTUS is afforded the protection of the law!


Thank you for bringing to the table the actual opinion. The SSN of anyone should be held with privacy. Just as anyone reading this would want their info to be protected.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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so never mind that the law prohibits it, and you couldn't use the same thing on any other civil servant, or private citizen........jssut because he's PoTUS he's not allowed the same protection afforded by law as you are.

gotcha.




posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by anon72


Well, there you have it.

The POTUS personal info is more important to protect than the atty's/USA right to know etc.


You don't need to dive into more of the presidents personal records to figure out whether Obama has committed social security fraud, infact, it is irrelevant:


One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.

www.ssa.gov...

Many american citizens hold social security numbers that belong to states of whom they had never resided in. Unless you or Taitz can conclusively prove that only frauds have SSN outside their states, which will be incredibly hard I assure you. I trust though that this has little to do with whether Obama's SSN is georgraphically accurate.


Regardless how many laws may have been broken. Sounds to me like she has then scared.


Laws have been broken? She has them scared? I'll assume she's been giving them a run for the past 3 years? They must be some fast runners and tireless runners I'd assume.


We'll see what any appeal produces but at this point, I would say she won't get too far.


One thing we can agree on! (to an extent)


This will help future elections-if nothing else. From now on, you'll see every canidate with the B.C. held high..

Well Except for the 2012 election.


None of the previous 43 presidents presented their original long form birth certificates to the public, and most, if not all future candidates will not do so either. You know why? Because hardly anybody uses their original birth certificate anymore. I have mine, I've never used in since I was a kid, and I've never had an issue what so ever in getting my passport, drivers licence and so forth. Most folks don't carry around their 50 year old birth certificates for ID, it is delusional to argue this. Now as for state governments issuing long form birth certificates? Well..

A) They won't be original ones, they'd be copies of the originals.
B) Most states are beginning to move away from long forms. Hawaii and Arizona for example only issue short form certifications of birth for those born following the 2000's.

Just to add, considering we're entering further and further into a paperless society, I doubt physical birth certificates will even be of relevance for time to come. But this is just my opinion, the last one.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
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so never mind that the law prohibits it, and you couldn't use the same thing on any other civil servant, or private citizen........jssut because he's PoTUS he's not allowed the same protection afforded by law as you are.

gotcha.



LOL ok try and get a job with a fake SS number and when you get caught or suspicion about it being fraudulent are brought up against you try and use this defense in court.
Nobody held a gun to Obamas head to be president and it isn't unreasonable to look into the matter to see if he is in fact legally entitled to hold his job. While people have the right to keep their SS number a secret why dont you try doing it to get a job or get a credit card. Everyone has to show proof of citizenship to work in this country legally so why not him?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:09 AM
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First and foremost the source of this story is questionable as WND isn't viable.

Second and more important anyone's Social Security number is their private right.

Third and almost as equally important anyone can do plenty of research without it.

The most likely cause of this whole insanity surrounding Obama's citizenship being in question is obvious.

He started the rumor himself through deniability to make it an issue to sideline other important issues.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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What if someone thought you weren't a natural born citizen, and demanded the right to see your SSN info, would you hand it over?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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people do that every day in this country where have you people been. It only becomes an issue if it could be used for identity theft, basically if you want a job in this country you have to show it, It doesn't have to become public knowledge as any documents pertaining to his actual SS number could be blocked to insure the public could not steal his identity after the case was over.
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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Uh, there's a difference when your identity is ensure by that company, but when a random person demands to see the Presidents SSN info, your damn right it's going to be denied.


Edit: I'm not debating the idea that he's not american, just that this is the wrong way to go about getting proof, because if you were to attempt this with anyone you would get the same results.
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Nobama
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What if someone thought you weren't a natural born citizen, and demanded the right to see your SSN info, would you hand it over?


Well, since you brought up the question, please allow me to retort...................................

When I had to apply for a new job 6 months ago, not only did they need my drivers license but they also needed either my social security card or my birth certificate. Not a copy of them but the actual document.

Every person in the United States is actually two people, one being... John Doe the private citizen and the other, the only one they recognize....... John Doe, the corporation as dictated by your SSN.

Why should Obama or any POTUS be afforded a privilege that all other Americans are not afforded? If I have to show my SS card and my birth certificate to bartend, I would argue, he should have to show his to be President.
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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by Nobama
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Uh, there's a difference when your identity is ensure by that company, but when a random person demands to see the Presidents SSN info, your damn right it's going to be denied.


Edit: I'm not debating the idea that he's not american, just that this is the wrong way to go about getting proof, because if you were to attempt this with anyone you would get the same results.
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You are so wrong in everything you said, I don't even know where to start......... Every random person demands your SSN, you can not turn on the power in your house without disclosing it. You can't pay your taxes, you can't get a job.

Your SSN is shared with every government agency on earth, it is an identification number (Your papers) and it robs you of your rights because of crafty written fine print on laws that are passed in the middle of the night.

You don't understand the system, the argument or the implications so I will just cut my post short, do your own research on this, I'm not a fifth grade teacher.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Nobama
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Uh, there's a difference when your identity is ensure by that company, but when a random person demands to see the Presidents SSN info, your damn right it's going to be denied.


Edit: I'm not debating the idea that he's not american, just that this is the wrong way to go about getting proof, because if you were to attempt this with anyone you would get the same results.
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This isn't just some dude off the street it's an eligibility attorney as stated above



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