Rap music is an absolute joke

reply to post by sir_slide



I hear exactly what you are saying.
I do find that it has much to do with the "Generation Gap" though as younger people find it much more appealing.

My parents didn't care for my music much when I was younger either.
And would always tell me to turn it down !


But this RAP music all in all is simply another product of our society.

Being of an analytical nature I Look at the basis and foundation of rap from a musical instrument perspective for example.

My suburban high school had a nice band room, practice rooms, instruments to learn on ...and private instruction. ( I attended a very good high school).

I learned how to read music in Cadet band and moved up to Concert Band, then Symphonic Band and Jazz Band.

In contrast to schools in the ghetto....

Ghetto schools don't have the funding for band because all of the instruments were stolen and pawned by the local junkies long ago.

No instruments means no music department.

Living in poverty it wasn't as if they could afford to buy a guitar and an amp and pay an "Instructor".
Can't have a garage to practice in when you live in an apartment.

But these individuals most likely had a radio and or cassette tape player at home which is the reason as to why recorded music became the foundation of their music.

Just as the Delta Blues, the foundation for today's Rock and Roll music were created out of the dismal conditions of slavery and share croppers in the Mississippi Delta region of the south and hence the term "The Blues".

So is/are the background of most of these rap musicians ...

We are all products of our environment.

And our music is merely an expression of who we are.

And it is what it is...

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

Personal attacks and strawman arguments only make you have less credibility.
Is this a topic that hits too close to home??

I see you have a quote by that idiot too short in your sig.
Get personal much??

Isn't he the guy who did the tune...A b***h is a b***h??
www.youtube.com...
Very classy.

edit on 1-9-2011 by DrumsRfun because: (no reason given)

That idiot like you say has alot of fans I wonder why. lol

Youre just bitter.

Deal with it. Not everyone likes rock or metal, not everyone likes rap, it's all relative.

This thread is a strawman argument, not my comment.

I love rap

Just like I love flamenco and rock and near enough all music genres, the ones that I dont like aint crap really, just not my musical preference.

But I wont sit here and rant about it like im pissed off or something.

All relative.

My fav movie might be your worst or am I wrong here?

Of cos im not.

reply to post by sir_slide

I think it's a bit late to change it, although I get your point man. A lot of people here seem to be very into Immortal technique, he never really did much for me, although I do understand that his stuff is pretty deep.

Pretty deep is a massive understatement. His music is some of the realest stuff out there, he's fully independent, raps about politics, corruption within the government, and stuff that's too real for most people to fathom. He is definitely my favorite rapper, his style is so unique, I haven't heard anybody that is even comparable to him.

He's working on a new CD and it's going to be dynamite.

I really like Biggie, it's funny that you mention Non Phixion as I've actually seen them live, although I would have to say that they are just kinda crack and coke heads who are pretty hardcore and write mean raps.

Yeah Non Phixion is pretty deep in lots of their songs, but lots of the time it's just random rhymes. I like that though, they're really lyrically talented even if they're rapping about whatever. They've got that horror-core feel to a lot of their music, really graphic rhymes and stuff like that, but of course it's just exaggerations meant to give you that "Damn!" factor when you hear it.

I admire good lyrics and good rhymes, not a good beat and a chorus that covers more of the song than the actual verses, AKA mainstream rap music.

reply to post by sir_slide


3cheers for rap music
Hip hop hooray
Hip hop hooray
Hip hop hooray

reply to post by sir_slide

although I would have to say that they are just kinda crack and coke heads who are pretty hardcore and write mean raps

Ah yea?

Sabac Red, from Non Phixion;



Youre wrong....again.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


Not really bothered about how ONE MEMBER looks in his video, I've seen them live, very close up, and I'm right. Stop being so confrontational. Oh and please add the part where I'm proven wrong, I fail to see it in that video...

reply to post by sir_slide


Look if you gona make a thread be prepared for discussion.

You said, they are coke heads and write mean raps and I posted a track that says otherwise.

I seen em live also sherlock, join the club.

What's your point with "I seen them live?", now you know them or something?

To me it's pathetic to come out and say this music genre is an absolute joke when rap is worldwide and not everyone does the same rap just like not every rocker does the same rock.

Basically, you should know this, it's seems to me like it's common sense.

I wonder how many of you who put rap down cos of the lyrics then sit at home and watch Tarantino movies and praise it....

This thread is like a road with a dead end.

reply to post by sir_slide

Oh and please add the part where I'm proven wrong, I fail to see it in that video

Well, it seems pretty obvious.

The song has no mean lyrics....

reply to post by Dr Cosma


I'm totally prepared for discussion and am encouraging it, a lot of the posts that you have made have been rude and hardly can be interpreted as wanting to have a discussion. Again that is only one member, my point about seeing them live is that they were absolutely coked off their heads and looked as if they did it regularly. A friend of mine also managed to mooch her way into their hotel room....
Oh and I'm more than aware of tarantino's thievery, I majored in cinema.

ETA: By mean I kinda meant you know 'bad ass'. Although they do rap about smashing gay peoples faces in, true story.

reply to post by sir_slide


So then im correct and rap is not absolute crap but you think it is?

So then shouldnt the title of your thread state that or are you a sensationalist?

I agree with some of your premise, as well as recognize some of the talent in the industry too. As mentioned, J5, Immortal Technique, KRS One, Dilated Peoples, People Under The Stairs, and of course numerous others, have talent and address social issues in reflection and inspiration. But the rise of superficial, empty and downright disingenuous culture crappers, dominating the airwaves and casting their impressions to the youthful generations is disenchanting....yo!

One thing to remember though, is how do these folks get play and promotion? Follow the money and there is someone at the top signing checks for these fools, and imo, purposefully promoting the lame side and selection of artists in order to maintain a negative impression of a race, while laughing at promoting artists that cause fighting amongst themselves, materialism exploitation and reflecting negatively on a culture. I know, that may sound "out there" but it is my theory. To deny that there are those in power who are genuine racists is just unrealistic imo, and I think some of those powerful clowns enjoy putting crap out to the masses that reflect negatively on a particular race, plus they make bank on it. So I don't think the image makers care as much about making doe as they do about influencing culture, and that is a dangerous, destructive and insulting game!

Don't hate the genre, hate the one's who decide what to force-feed the masses...

Peace,
spec



ETA: Maybe the title should read: Rap Music That Is Selected For Widespread Promotion Is An ABSOLUTE JOKE

if you dont think country can get just as crappy as rap can then your credibility is shot.

every genera has its good and bad. commercial country is just as horrible. rock music is just as horrible. pop music etc. come on can't you see this?

i respect some of the things you are saying but singling out rap just because its negatives are highlighted in the commercial realm seems pretty myopic.

perhaps the problem isn't rap its commercialism and the industry. perhaps its the dumbing down of the general audience?

its like you fail to see the forest from the trees or something. i agree there is a lot of crap out there but its not exclusive to one genre.

Your right about rap being a joke. I liked 90's rap/hip-hop alot more than I do today's rap/hip-hop. It seems like its always the same old stuff. The chain, clubs, women, cars, rims, blah blah blah. I don't listen to it anymore and when I tried too I had to turn the station. All these little knuckle heads running around trying to live life like that is a joke. They look up to these rappers and they are giving a bad message to the kids. Its not real! That life is not real life and these kids try so hard to be like these rappers.

There is hope though. I heard Prodigy from Mobb Deep on the Alex Jones show and he changed his way of doing things. He does not wear the jewelry anymore and he is changing how he represents himself. So I think overtime more and more hip/hop artists will wake the f*** up and stop promoting that kind of lifestyle which majority of people don't and can not live.

After Tupac and Biggie rap/hip-hop went underground of course mainstream rap went big and famous and made alot of money while brainwashing the masses. The true followers of hip hop seeked out the good music and found what they were looking for underground. Rappers like Immortal Technique, Diabolic, Vinnie Paz etc have very strong lyrics and rap about relevant issues that we find in today's society. When I listen to rap I like the beat but its really the lyrics that get me and if it's just some dude rapping about chicks and drugs I just cant stand it.

reply to post by speculativeoptimist


You're absolutely right and it is a very good point to make. I have never thought about that aspect of it too deeply but I think your theory is pretty fitting actually, makes a lot of sense.


reply to post by krossfyter

You are also right, although this is a rant about rap, there may be bad country music but that is only really offensive to peoples tastes, its not generally offensive. Do you see what I mean? It is the general dumbing down of the audience that pisses me off, you're right, and a big part of mainstream music culture is rap, its huge.

Only the Welsh really do rap well

I mean it eventually comes down to taste anyway. Jazz, funk and soul are awesome by themselves, but to hear them rearranged in hip hop form sounds great to me, and to hear how producers use the same samples differently or rare samples or change the samples in a way you can no longer recognize it's source, is amazingly entertaining to me. It's still music, it's still creative, it does take time and talent.

Also, when I hear neologisms or "made up words" I treat it as it is; word play. 9/10 times when you recognize it, it's not a serious song. Artists find ways to make fun with their rhymes, maybe to a point it upsets your intelligence I don't know.

The OP knows there is an alternative hip hop community that recognizes the ignorance, but that community can't detach itself from the roots that have sprouted into the industry's pockets that push ego-boasting money loving rappers with non-melodic repetitive production. If you made a list of every mainstream artist that was garbage to you, I could find an equivalently popular artist within the underground community (the artists that are actually signed) that would lead you to say otherwise.

I think it is disingenuous to discredit all hip hop music when there is a culture feud within the genre.

Rap/Hip-Hop isnt music, its for those who cant sing or play musical instruments well, thats why they talk/rhyme and use computerised noises. It's absolute trash, and can make a grown mans ears bleed at the best of times.

HIP HOP HOORAY!!

Lots of great comments...seems like I had this argument with my older brother about 20 YEARS AGO!

I'll never forget the day he told me that rap would be gone in a year just like disco. I was about 12 in 1988 when I began listening and even then I knew he was so wrong.

Like the OP, my brother was a musician. It seems that there are some who feel insulted that someone with no musical training or access to instruments and rehearsal spaces could use technology (two turntables and a microphone or pausing two tape decks back to back) and create something NEW!

Only in America could such a beautiful art form be created. Sure it comes from Jamaican MC's method of "toasting" at parties but the actual birth of Hip Hop is purely American.

I find it strange that you have not touched on the fact that the simple act of creating new music from the recordings of old music REVOLUTIONIZED almost every facet of popular life. Look at the art world, the mash-ups, etc...

Hip Hop is a genre of music AND a way of life. No amount of bad artists with bad songs can destroy it.

And as for the musician trying to pass off the original music as there own? Get real. You missed the mark completely. Many young people listen to and enjoy older songs that are sampled from...SAMPLING BRINGS NEW AUDIENCES TO YOUR OLD MUSIC! And if you don't think that is brilliant and beautiful, that's your loss.

In fact, if I were to take some of the original OP's music that nobody wants to listen to, remix it, add a beat and drop some lyrics over it and people like my version but it also brings awareness to the original how is that a bad thing? Oh did I mention , the OP gets PAID for the sample.

Hip hop is dead -- long live hip hop!

Many of the musicians who feel like hip hop is not music are very much like the traditional photographers trying to keep all these novices who don't know anything about photo composition, shutter speeds, etc from taking photos that are just as good as the pro's! GET OVER IT.