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Rap music is an absolute joke

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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I dont know why we have to go down the illuminati path. I am mainly talking about the content, substance and by inference the merits of the genre as a whole. I am aware that the people at the top of the pyramid control the majority of the MS music that we hear, although I dont get what the beatles have to do with it. The label had absolutely nothing to do with their compositions/content, nothing whatsoever. They were lucky to even HAVE the beatles releasing records on their label, so no the beatles dont apply to this, they are just as good as an indie band in the sense that they had absolute creative freedom as time wore on, sure they had to dress it up a bit early on and be a bit nicer and more lovely, but at least what they were singing about cheered up an entire generation.




posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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I agree.

But, I never said it 'bothers me that people listen to garbage music". What bothers me is the worshiping of the context of the songs, and the 'rappers' themselves.
"Why do you like Lil Wane?"
"Oh, because he's a straight up gangster, and he's so hott."

^That's what I don't like. I despise Lil Wayne, yet I'll listen to "A Mili", "I Feel Like Dying", "6Foot, 7Foot" simply because I appreciate the production of the beat. I make beats myself. Those songs in a car bump HARD. And I love to freestyle, those songs are perfect for freestyling. Well, maybe not "I Feel Like Dying"...



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by sir_slide
reply to post by nahsik
 


The genres you mentioned dont really have the same message though, I appreciate what you're saying totally but you are missing my point. I really do not judge music based on its commercial success though you must understand, i am just pointing out the mainstream nature of this music now and that it is a disgrace to have such music being played as much as it is, its message is usually so bloody negative and self serving its embarassing for me to listen to. You have people idolizing people like Kanye West because he does he wants and 'doesnt give a F***', well yeah, great, awesome, isn't he valuable! He can't even sing in tune. So I guess my point is that it is about what the substance of the music as a whole is and what it can offer people in a positive way, I can't think of many things.......


I used to love Kanye's earlier work. Especially when he was only recognised as a producer. I won't however respect him for the vile use of auto-tune music he pioneered and how he created a new generation of terrible rap, rnb and other popular music that followed. Personality wise he also seems like a tool. But I see a lot of tools in the industry no matter what genre of music. Anyone care for a bit of Bono?

Yep I agree that there is a problem with the message that has been interpreted as rap music because more conduced to popular music. It's definitely not the message I want my kids to listen to. But I'm never going to be complacent like a lot of parents are nowadays in raising my kids. What kids turn out to be are the subject of our teaching and beliefs that we instill on them at an early age. Why would anyone in their right minds (unless they are literally stupid parents) raise your kids around rap music?

I just want you to know that there are a lot of factors that come into play other than rap music when it comes to our dissolving society.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by sir_slide
reply to post by sabbathcrazy
 


I dont know why we have to go down the illuminati path. I am mainly talking about the content, substance and by inference the merits of the genre as a whole. I am aware that the people at the top of the pyramid control the majority of the MS music that we hear, although I dont get what the beatles have to do with it. The label had absolutely nothing to do with their compositions/content, nothing whatsoever. They were lucky to even HAVE the beatles releasing records on their label, so no the beatles dont apply to this, they are just as good as an indie band in the sense that they had absolute creative freedom as time wore on, sure they had to dress it up a bit early on and be a bit nicer and more lovely, but at least what they were singing about cheered up an entire generation.


Their is a whole arrangement of evidence that you are not aware of. But clearly you love them allot and do not want to know, so I will not waist my time. To understand why main stream music is so crapy you have to dig into the occult aspects.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by sir_slide
Another thing. The outfits these guys wear, it's one thing to wear a diamond necklace (totally ghetto apparently, or maybe symbolic of their shift FROM the ghetto) but it is quite another to walk around in some of the monstrocities these guys sport, I honestly don't know where some of these je** offs get off.

(here is 'Gucci Mane')

(this one cost $410,000, and to think that people in africa are starving, 'oh well, my power to ME!')
It is just ridiculous.


These "big ass chains" are symbolic in a ritual for a noose



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by AskWhy11
reply to post by nahsik
 


I agree.

But, I never said it 'bothers me that people listen to garbage music". What bothers me is the worshiping of the context of the songs, and the 'rappers' themselves.
"Why do you like Lil Wane?"
"Oh, because he's a straight up gangster, and he's so hott."

^That's what I don't like. I despise Lil Wayne, yet I'll listen to "A Mili", "I Feel Like Dying", "6Foot, 7Foot" simply because I appreciate the production of the beat. I make beats myself. Those songs in a car bump HARD. And I love to freestyle, those songs are perfect for freestyling. Well, maybe not "I Feel Like Dying"...


Hmm.. I have to tell you mate there are a lot of stupid people in this world today, you would be surprised. People who can't give clear reasoning as to why they like something might be just making a mistake. But if you choose to live out those mistakes like the idea of 'gangsterism' or 'being a ho' because some song told you so then you clearly have some problem with your head. Unless you have been forced into that kind of lifestyle, I don't like when people talk to me like a degenerate. It's offensive to disable people. lol

I appreciate producers for their creativity and yes I used to work in the industry (events and management) and have a few contacts as well as producers who have worked with significant people in the industry overseas.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:35 AM
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Huh?
I appreciate your insight, but I think you have me all wrong mah man. Please, read my other posts, because you seem to have missed some of my points; points in which you just brought up...
edit on 1-9-2011 by AskWhy11 because: grammar



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Man you're not wasting your time at all, present the evidence and I am all ears, it's just that I know far too much about the beatles, and this does seem like a whole funny bunch of speculation to me currently.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by Heartisblack
I really can't stand it either, I prefer acoustics, a little screamo at times, welsh and french folk music. Things like that and I am black, I can't understand what is the point of that music and it's usually demeaning lyrics.


poetic phonetical quality, 'offensive' words, generally get people to pay attention to meter inherent in rhyme.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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Rap is commercial crap pushing stereotypes down peoples throats, if I was a black dude I would want to get as far away from that junk as possible. There is not one positive thing that culture has to offer anyone.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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Yeah I know you are referring to the "Mainstream Garbage" that pollutes the radio airwaves.

Now underground goodness is in a realm of its own. Kids or even adults don't appreciate it much because it requires diggin n' the crates. The underground will always remain supreme above all wack artist.



^^^
Dr. Oop aka Droop Capone rhymes about truth on this track



^^^
The Arsonists drop a good vocabulary of hot rhymes



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:58 AM
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wait, are you being serious when saying you think the op is racist, or is that a joke?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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word up homey


nice thread. you forgot to mention how when the most rappers try to rhyme, the context no longer makes any sense....just putting rhyming words together because they rhyme....unreal.

i can't believe that the youth of today looks up to these fools and actually think that emulating them makes them cool.

i am an acoustic musician and really enjoy bluegrass



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Exactly, most of the time whatever is being said doesnt even make sense, its just nonsensical rhyming. It's pretty idiotic really. I play piano and guitar, mostly bluesy stuff, so I totally dig the bluegrass homes....nice one



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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not to mention how much exponentially simpler to create it becomes when what is said doesnt have to have any sort of melody whatsoever. everything is carried by the beat/music, which is written by someone else the majority of the time. i'm not saying you can't be creative and interesting without melody, but when you're limiting yourself to no melody, then it gets to be a bit contrived and... how do i put this... easy? too easy.
edit on 1-9-2011 by thedeadlyrhythm because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Me being a musical connoisseur of all musical trades. I don't even know where to start honestly, for every brain cell that is in my head there is a musical archive. I can go on about ragtime, jazz, psychedelic garage, classic rock, bossa nova whatever may be the case, but since this is about RAP I will stick to that. However; my arguments will be from an underground “Hip/Hop” point of view not Commercial rap garbage.




“The Absolute majority of the 'music' is stolen. It is sampled/STOLEN from other people.”


^^You can thank the Japanese for the manipulation production consoles what I like to call the MPC. It’s not the Underground “Hip/Hop communities” fault they learned how to use this piece of equipment better than anyone else in the business .




“IF it is not it is usually unimaginative”


^^I want to see how well you chop drum samples, and get all musical aspects in sync to make it listenable, not many people can do that manually, but it seems like the commercial music industry relies more on drum breaks and repetitive loops then actual drum chops, and rhythm sections whether it be the piano or brass instrumentals.




“They are just arrogant ignoramus's who spit fourth grades rhymes laced with excessive profanity, misogyny and poorly thought out ideas over other peoples compositions.”


^^I agree since you are referring to the commercial side of it.




“Excluding people like J5, dead prez, de la soul etc”


^^Good choice. Jurassic 5, dead prez, and de la soul are all good in my book, but there are many more.




“these guys spit on the graves of people like Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, Curtis Mayfield, Sam Cooke and James Brown (the guy who's drum beats appear in about 30 per cent of rap music ever made)”


^^Again yes the new generation of rappers i.e Lil Wayne, Drake , T.I do not appreciate music for how it’s suppose to be, but then yet I can go on about Lady GagGag how she stole the persona she uses from Todd Rundgren. And the proper meaning of what you meant in parenthesis about the James Brown drum beats would be Drum Breaks, yes the majority of Underground Hip/Hop producers I keep a close ear to do use the James Brown breaks, but they use them exceptionally well by chopping them into smaller samples and putting them back together to make a song worth listening to. A good example would be the one known today as Madlib use to go by the name Quasimoto. His father was a musician Otis Jackson Sr.

My overall stance is if you dig deep enough in the crates or have a wide variety of musical taste you may find a lot of gems worth listening to.

If you ever have the chance check out Todd Rundgren – Hello It’s Me , and tell me that transvestite broad Lady Gaga didn’t get her style from that. I know I am going out on a limb since its a different genre, but this just shows how much pop music appreciates the past greats. It's just not in the RAP community, but POP as well.



edit on 1-9-2011 by KonquestAbySS because: Added the video of Todd Rundgren, and added some more clout to the ending



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:47 AM
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Yeah In the Grand Scheme of things mainstream Rap is a joke....


However.. there is alot of old school and new school stuff that is either fun, or well written, not every rapper raps about the Hood, just stuff in mainstream, also when talking about sampling and stealing music, i hear it all the time in allll genres' of music, like there many chords and beats ripped off by current artists in guitar based music too,

As an out and out music lover, i like clever lyrics, i also like clever use of production... for example.. i bet you hate black eyed peas... well even if you dont i do.. at least i hate them now, there first two albums were much more impressive musically and verbaly.

the genre has changed alot in the last ten years, becoming more mainstream, accepted and poppy but there still alot out there underground and well written.

in the grand scheme of things i hate modern pop/demi rock/indie crap you get subjected to these days too, im sure theres a decent thread in that too


Dont hate the paya hate the game lol


(just to clarify, im asinger, been in many bands, love my Grunge, metal, americana, indie and rock, just got a soft spot for decent rap)



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 05:43 AM
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Tupac was no more of a contradiction than John Lennon....But they both realized that the ideal world and real world are 2 different things..one you have to live in. BTW I am a fan of both Lennon and Shakur..big fans. They both wrote from the heart.

I am a fan of well written lyrics with meaning..much of the current hip hop does have this..nor does much of the music written today. That includes all genres.

Perhaps you have already mentioned why you have chosen to single out rap/ hip hop..I didn't read all the pages on the thread..with so much garbage out there today to single out one genre is curious.

I will be waiting your thesis on the garbage in country music, pop, "rock", metal etc..I hope they are as condemning.

Peace



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by sir_slide
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Death metal musicians play instruments and actually write music, although it is not the taste of most people, it is still music and can be an important release for young people, and it is very rare to find people who listen to death metal to go out and do the things described in their songs. That may be the case with Norwegian Black Metal, but not death metal.

Country music is a lovely form of music, it has composition, spirit, soul and talks about the loves and lives lost in a romantic world of card games, southern dames and freight trains. It tells the forgetten stories of the down trodden and howls with the heart ache of the lonely wanderer, forever on the road to nowhere. It uplifts people and helps them consolidate their feelings and seek comfort in other peoples reflections on harder times and they can relate to it, find some consolation and resolution through the music. That's why I didnt mention those two genres,
only rap.




Country music speaks more about killing, drinking, doing drugs, and cheating than any other genre before our since.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:31 AM
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What a waste of server space.
Get a life.



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