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Topic started on 31-8-2011 @ 10:21 PM by kdog1982
We,as humans,may have had an earlier history than previously thought.
We may have left our birth place of Africa much,much earlier.
So,what does that say about our species and what we could achieve?
I think alot,that we may have achieved more,earlier than previously thought.

In "Birth of Humanity," the second part of the three-part series "Becoming Human," NOVA investigates the first skeleton that really looks like us–"Turkana Boy"–an astonishingly complete specimen of Homo erectus found by the famous Leakey team in Kenya. These early humans are thought to have developed key innovations that helped them thrive, including hunting large prey, the use of fire, and extensive social bonds. The program examines an intriguing theory that long-distance running–our ability to jog–was crucial for the survival of these early hominids. Not only did running help them escape from vicious predators roaming the grasslands, but it also gave them a unique hunting strategy: chasing down prey animals such as deer and antelope to the point of exhaustion. "Birth of Humanity" also probes how, why, and when humans' uniquely long period of childhood and parenting began.



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Turkana Boy, also occasionally, Nariokotome Boy is the common name of fossil KNM-WT 15000,[1] a nearly complete skeleton of a hominid who died in the early Pleistocene. This specimen is the most complete early human skeleton ever found. It is 1.5 million years old.[2] Turkana Boy is classified as either Homo erectus or Homo ergaster. His age has been estimated from as old as 15 years to as young as 7 years six months. The most recent scientific review suggests 8 years of age.[3] It was initially suggested that he would have grown into 1.85 m tall adult but the most recent analysis argues for the much shorter stature of 1.63 m.[3] The reason for this shift has been research showing that his growth maturation differed from that of modern humans in that he would have had a shorter and smaller adolescent growth spurt.[3] The skeleton was discovered in 1984 by Kamoya Kimeu, a member of a team led by Richard Leakey, at Nariokotome near Lake Turkana in Kenya.[4


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And we were making tools earlier than thought.
Evidence of tool making 1.8 million years ago.
A new study suggests that Homo erectus, a precursor to modern humans, was using advanced toolmaking methods in East Africa 1.8 million years ago, at least 300,000 years earlier than previously thought. The study, published this week in Nature, raises new questions about where these tall and slender early humans originated and how they developed sophisticated tool-making technology


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We have been around longer and were more advanced than previously thought.
So what civilizations ,if any civilizations were built before recorded history that we don't know about.

If homo erectus was possibly using rafts,what were the possibilities of homo sapiens of the past?

Homo ergaster used more diverse and sophisticated stone tools than its predecessors: H. erectus, however, used comparatively primitive tools. This is possibly because H. ergaster first used tools of Oldowan technology and later progressed to the Acheulean:[23] while the use of Acheulean tools began ca. 1.6 million years ago, the line of H. erectus diverged some 200,000 years before the general innovation of Acheulean technology. Thus the Asian migratory descendants of H. ergaster made no use of any Acheulean technology. In addition, it has been suggested that H. erectus may have been the first hominid to use rafts to travel over oceans.[24]


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reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 10:59 PM by kdog1982
Another study done,was that we became hairless much earlier than believed.
It has to do with hair lice and pubic lice.
Two different species of lice and the split was about 3 million years ago.

There are two species of lice that infest humans: pubic lice, Pthirus pubis, and human head and body lice, Pediculus humanus. A new article suggests one explanation for the separation of the two species. See Also: Plants & Animals Apes Evolutionary Biology Nature Fossils & Ruins Early Humans Cultures Human Evolution Reference Louse Crab Hominidae Homo (genus) In the article, Robert Weiss from University College London describes how he was struck by inspiration while pondering the question of why lice would separate into two groups when our ancestors are quite uniformly hairy, "I was having difficulty envisioning a clear separation of habitats between the groin and other parts of our ancient common ancestor. My 'eureka moment' came, appropriately enough, in the shower: although naked apes have pubic hair, surely our hairy cousins don't?" Pthirus pubis, popularly known as crabs, evolved from the structurally similar gorilla louse, Pthirus gorillae. Interestingly however, while genetic analysis carried out by David Reed at the University of Florida indicates that this split occurred around 3.3 million years ago, humans are believed to have diverged from gorillas much earlier - at least 7 million years ago - suggesting that early humans somehow caught pubic lice from their gorilla cousins. Happily, this may not be as sordid as it sounds. According to Weiss, "Before one conjures up a King Kong scenario, it should be noted that predators can pick up parasites from their prey. The close contact involved in human ancestors butchering gorillas could have enabled Pthirus to jump hosts, rather as bushmeat slaughter practices allowed HIV to invade humans from chimpanzees in modern times

www.sciencedaily.com...

And so maybe we got the crabs from gorillas.


reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 12:07 PM by BritofTexas
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The domestication of Wolves to Dogs has also been found to be earlier.

Archaeological evidence goes back about 14 000 years.

But DNA evidence goes back 60 - 100 000 years.

UCLA Link


reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 12:20 PM by kdog1982
Originally posted by BritofTexas
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The domestication of Wolves to Dogs has also been found to be earlier.

Archaeological evidence goes back about 14 000 years.

But DNA evidence goes back 60 - 100 000 years.

UCLA Link


Thanks for that BritofTexas.
It seems more and more evidence is turning up to support they theory that the human race is much older and more advanced to previously thought.
I'm post a quote vfrom that article.

Dogs have ancient origins, dating back perhaps 100,000 years or more -- much older than scientists had thought, UCLA scientists and colleagues found. While many scientists believed, based on archaeological records, that domestic dogs dated back only 14,000 years, molecular genetic techniques reported in the June 13 issue of the journal Science show that man's best friend is much older. The new research also confirms that dogs evolved from wolves. "Our data show that the origin of dogs seems to be much more ancient than indicated in the archaeological record," said Robert K. Wayne, UCLA associate professor of biology. "The origin of dogs dates well before the development of agricultural population centers that occurred approximately 10,000-14,000 years ago, and goes back to hunter-gatherer societies. While many people think a high level of sophistication was required to domesticate wild mammals, our data imply that very primitive societies may have had domestic animals." Scientists believe from archaeological records that many domestic animals, including cats and cattle, originated within the last 14,000 years. Cats may have been domesticated as recently as 7,000 years ago, Wayne said. Wayne noted that his techniques do not enable exact dates to be determined for dogs. "Because of the extrapolation involved in the calculations, it's possible that the first dog dates back 60,000 years, or perhaps more than 100,000 years," he said.


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reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 12:36 PM by BritofTexas
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Here's another link to the University of Florida on clothes lice.

It suggests we started wearing clothes about 170 000 years ago.

University of Florida News

I was toying with the idea of starting a thread on it but never did.


reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 08:41 PM by kdog1982
Originally posted by BritofTexas
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Here's another link to the University of Florida on clothes lice.

It suggests we started wearing clothes about 170 000 years ago.

University of Florida News

I was toying with the idea of starting a thread on it but never did.


Thanks for that info!
I'm thinking maybe they, humanoids, started wearing clothes earlier as they had lost their body hair and started moving north to colder climates.
Stone tools played an important role in human evolution and one of the most significant stone technologies was the Acheulean, distinguished by the tools' characteristic tear drop and oval shaped handaxes. This technology, named for the place in France where some of the first examples were found in the 19th century, was thought to have originated around 1.4 million years ago (ma).


1.4 million years ago in France!

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reply posted on 6-9-2011 @ 11:42 AM by Byrd
Originally posted by kdog1982There is alot that us common folk don't have privy to such info,and my question is,why?

Many scorn -- or don't trust -- colleges (which is where you get this information) and many don't care to read books by scientists. The research is out there, and it's fascinating.

Although I can toss these tidbits off the top of my head, the truth is that it took a lot of years of learning some mental processes (like how to tell good research and how to "vet" statements.) In addition, you have to learn a lot of background information (pottery, some basic human physiology, a tiny bit of forensics, a bit of geology, etc) to get to the point where you can answer these questions. You have to learn how to look for "first sources" and how to verify that they may be genuine.

It also takes reading -- not listening or watching.

It's much easier to skip the reading, assume you have good knowledge, and then theorize.

I really hunger for this info,not for it really sparking my interests,but for the future of us all as humanity.

Honest answer: I don't think that looking in the past will help us in the future. Society is in a constant state of change (mathematically, it's a "chaotic system"... not meaning that everything is running rampant, but rather that we can't predict anything with 100% accuracy based on the facts we have. The weather is another chaotic system.) We have gone from a society where there were no complicated problems and everything had a "tame" answer (like: we need food for next week. We go hunt and gather roots and vegetables.) to a complex society with issues that simple societies couldn't deal with and with issues that change throughout time (like: what part should women play in the political process -- that went from tribal customs to "none at all" to "use them in marriage to buy votes and gain land" to "you might listen to a few of them but they're really outrageous and shouldn't be let loose on society" to "maybe give husbands advice" to "vote, but nothing else" to "run for political office" to "join senates and cabinets" to "govern nations.")

There is nothing that a tribal society (or even the Egyptians or Sumerians, with their highly ritualized and highly structured and rigid societies) could possibly tell us about how to handle issues such as racism, alcoholism, trade negotiations, technological theft, and the Internet society. Nor would we want their very restrictive society thrust on us with laws and customs that we no longer espouse (cutting off the hands of an accused thief -- and judgment without impartial juries and they only accepted testimony obtained by torturing (torturing the innocent as well as the accused.))

...but you'd only know that after you read quite a bit on them and learned about their laws and social structures.
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