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Evolution and Love what do they have in common?

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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Here is just a nice Vid...but other than that...I am curious as to your thoughts?






posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Humans are naturally a social species. They have evolved to be so. I suppose that love evolved as a way to assist that.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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I like what Gregg Braden says about the love vs hate vibrations and DNA coding....



Living with and in fear will arrest your development and growth in many ways, and it really is healthier in general to be in good spirits.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Ok...A GB fan...nice!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Still doesn't explain what Evolution and Love have in common.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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This might give some clarity...but maybe not...either way...it's fun to look at!


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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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It kind of does as in explaining what helps trigger the evolving DNA. That DNA is then passed on and so on.
When severe trauma and horrors are the majority of one's life, those offspring will not be as quite evolved as the others living with love in their lives.

DNA is always adapting to it's environment, the better the environment, the faster the DNA evolves. Love is a shorter wave length, higher frequency, faster and better results.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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i always thought it was commitment that gave evidence to love. and therefore, conscious choice is what expressed love is. otherwise, it would just be reaction.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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You give a good argument! I will think about the wavelength theory. I believe there is more though to the connection to our evolution and love? I watch all the vids..and try to understand...what does love have to do with it????



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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I really don't know about how that affects evolution!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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evolution really has nothing to do with love. love has to do with choice. evolution doesn't.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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Are you sure about that? Why do they keep saying that Love is the next step to Evolution?
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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Haha I get what you're saying, and we are in back-words world.
Freedom is Slavery
Doctors destroy Health
Lawyers destroy Justice
More Laws create More Crime

So why not love = evol
The reverse of Live is Evil, we can do this all day.

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:36 AM
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What do they have in common?

Human growth and development, because the human being to BE human is not a "thing" but a process, is a becoming, and love, for self, others and yes even God as love's great cause, is the very means by which we grow, create, and share with one another (no man is an island unto himself). And because we are social beings, love itself grows in the soil of the "relativity of human being". There may be no aether, as Einstein proved, but there is still a universal connecting principal, as an evolutionary first/last cause in eternity, and that principal is love itself as the creative dynamic and evolutionary impulse to grow, through an ever expanding process of differentiation and reintegration. Love is the very standard by which our own growth is measured as human beings. There is nothing else going on of any consequence whatsoever.


edit on 1-9-2011 by NewAgeMan because: because i love you is the answer to the question - because why?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:56 AM
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The Evolving Self




August 30, 2011 By Bruce Sanguin

from his blog Evolutionary Christianity, and the author of "If Darwin Prayed"

I’ve been re-reading Robert Kegan’s, The Evolving Self, and finding it an invigorating read. Neither Piaget, whose foundational research informs Kegan’s own theory, nor Freudian psychoanalytic theory, were explicitly evolutionary—even though they both were developmental. Kegan was one of the first developmental psychologists to posit that the cognitive (Piaget), moral (Kohlberg), and psycho-sexual (Freud) lines of development were actually different aspects of a single evolutionary impulse. This evolutionary life principle is “panorganic”. It is the animating power of the universe at all orders of existence—geologic, biologic, psychologic, cultural and spiritual. Our evolving self is embedded in this larger, all-pervasive evolutionary dynamic. And, contrary to neo-Darwinians, this process seems to have an agenda.

It is the nature of this impulse to transcend itself through a ceaseless process of assimilation (unity with) and differentiation (distinguishing from). This resolution of this evolutionary tension means that what we once were identified with (the whole of us) becomes merely a part of a more encompassing whole. In Piagetian terms the subject (“I”) becomes the object (“me”) of newly expanded subject (Bigger “I”). To get a little “geeky” about this, the “I” of one stage becomes the “me” of the “I” of the next stage. In periods of relative stability, we have negotiated an “evolutionary truce” between these two poles of unity and differentiation. This is how we evolve.

“…we are drawn to a radical consideration: that this evolutionary motion is the prior (or grounding) phenomenon in personality; it is the very source of, and the unifying context for, thought and feeling…” (Kegan, The Evolving Self, p.44). This evolution motion is what we experience as emotion. It is the movement of this impulse through us, showing up in our meaning making activity and as our feelings about where this motion is taking us.

This is actually amazing, don’t you find? Kegan doesn’t get metaphysical about it all as a psychologist. But in discovering this ceaseless impulse to transcend and include, transcend and include, that moves in us, through us, and as us for our entire life, we are immersed in the secret of life itself. We are occasions of that process. It is a great mystery that no prophet, no mystic, not Jesus, not Buddha, no shaman, no Druid or high priestess, could have possibly known. They may have intuited it—in fact, I have tracked this evolutionary intuition in the teachings of Paul and Jesus and continue to do so in my preaching. We now know how life does life! But knowledge of it only serves to deepen the mystery.

When life conditions begin to shift and as we mature, our old ways of making meaning are not up to the new complexities facing us. These are the transition times in our life when we experience increasing anxiety, and if not resolved, even depression. We are left with a couple of basic choices: either we try to fit this new complexity into our existing framework: (Wilber calls this horizontal translation: it’s a coping strategy, which may be successful or not: Jesus called it trying to put new wine into an old wineskin) And then there is vertical transformation: these are those times when we actually move up the evolutionary hierarchy and shift up a level: (Jesus called this rising up again after three days—mythically, this is the time it takes for transformation to occur).

What Kegan and others do that is so helpful is to describe this in terms of subject-object dynamics. Transformation is the process whereby what was subjective—interior and unconscious—becomes the object of our new awareness, the new subject. We are now able to stand back and look at an earlier iteration or organization of our self as external to us. We gain perspective on ourselves, and notice what we previously were identified with. Our incorporated self (undifferentiated) becomes the object of a new subject (our impulsive self); our impulsive self eventually becomes the object of a new subject (our imperial self); our imperial self gives way to an interpersonal self; and on it goes until we reach what Kegan calls the inter-individual self.

Each of these transitions involves a loss of one self in order for the emergence of the new self. This is always associated with anxiety. Theologically, we could talk about death and resurrection as a life process, or even of these transitional times as apocalyptic. An older worldview and self-organization is literally dissolving or passing away. When Jesus’ teaches that unless a seed falls into the ground and dies, it cannot bear fruit, it is oneexample of his evolutionary intuition. Jesus knew that in order to realize our deepest potentials we are going to go through a series of deaths and resurrections. When Peter tries to deny this truth, Jesus admonishes him. “You have set your mind on human things, and not on divine things”. He actually calls him “Satan”, the presence of fear within that tempts us constantly to what theologian Walter Wink called “the regressive alternative”. The defended personality is one that seeks resolution (of the anxiety around the emergence of a new self) without reorganization of the self. From the next evolutionary stage, problems are not so much solved as dissolved—set within a new context that sees the world with the eyes and heart of an increased and encompassing complexity. Conscious evolution is that stage of development when the evolutionary impulse itself is the object of our subjective awareness. Our new self —our “I” gains the capacity to witness this ceaseless dynamic, this spiraling movement animated by the tension and resolution between the two poles unity and differentiation. What is this mysterious “Self” that can witness and consciously cooperate with this evolutionary impulse? Surely, it is the evolutionary impulse that has come to conscious awareness in us. We are That which is yearning to evolve. And what is “That”? My intuition is that it is divine Heart and Mind having a great adventure. And when we gain the capacity to consciously cooperate with this impulse to evolve we are no longer so frightened by transitions. We notice our anxiety, we may have anxiety, but anxiety doesn’t have us. In fact, the presence of anxiety may even become a welcome signal that another transformation is emerging in and through us. The universe is about to evolve through me, through you, and through us. Ok, I admit, it’s never actually fun. But remember, it’s only the end of the world (as we’ve known it). When Paul writes that it is our existential condition “to see in a mirror dimly” (1 Corinthians 13:12-13) he is referring to the difficulty of making conscious what is unconscious—of seeing ourselves clearly because we are too close to ourselves, like fish swimming in water. But as life relentlessly comes at us with new challenges, these become provocations to get outside ourselves (expand our consciousness) and see our lives within the larger context of evolution itself. “Now we see in a mirror dimly, but then we shall see face to face. Now we know only in part; but then I will know, even as I have been fully known”. This is the promise embedded in a sacred evolutionary impulse that we will one day come to see and know ourselves as God knows and sees us—through the eyes of the greatest quality, Love. This kind of clarity of vision is our destiny—the end game of this evolutionary adventure—to awaken to our deepest identity as the presence of Love.

more ifdarwinprayed.com...


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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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Thanks...Those are some deep thoughts.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Evolution is a cool way for life to slowly change and thus the experience of being alive to slowly change through what we perceive as time.

Love is the connection that everything has to everything else, for all is ultimately one and in our heart of hearts, in our soul, we all know this through love. Love is the path to true enlightenment and it is what will eventually lead us back to the source.

Most of humanity operates at a very baseline, instinctual level no different to any other animals except our toys are much shinier and have destroy stuff much easier. Love is the next step in evolution for it is only when we realise we are one, and begin to operate as a whole on that level, that we will be able to move forward both physically and spiritually.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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I think this thread is the most important one on ATS at this time or any other. Too bad it's not more popular!



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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M. Scott Peck, MD. in his world record best seller "The Road Less Travelled, a New Psychology of Love, Traditional Values and Spiritual Growth" defined love as:

Love is the will (choice) to give of one's self for the sake of another's spiritual growth and well being.

I made a poem about it that I think catches the essence of this idea of love as the catalyst to human spiritual and pschological growth ie: evolution.


Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Love is the will to give of one's self or the sake of another's well being,
In unselfish love we grow and expand, a new light dawns in our seeing,
Seeing clearly ourselves at last as we are, we look now to our brother, who
Looking at us, sees his true self reflected, and the will to love, our common mother.


It generates a new order of conscious awareness, which is unitive, and which celebrates unity in diversity.

Regards,

NAM



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Lawgiver
evolution really has nothing to do with love. love has to do with choice. evolution doesn't.

And yet here we are, the human being, perched atop a seemingly eternal mountain of cosmic evolution, so what do we do now?

Also, if as the materialist atheists would insist, that evolution is completely blind - why then, from this vantage point as it's highest expression along the rise to increasing complexification and consciousness, looking back, as well as forward, in both directions, why does it have so much VISION..?


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