What happens when two "artificial minds" talk? The results are eerie!, page 5


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reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 04:01 PM by dontreally
reply to post by Fractured.Facade



User: This program sucks.

Cleverbot: Lets play rock paper scissors.

User: Ok.

Cleverbot: Rock.

User: You lose. I chose paper.

Cleverbot: Scissors cuts paper.

User: And you chose rock. I win.

Celverbot: And Spock Vaporizes Rock and breaks scissors.



reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 05:29 PM by BlackStar99
Originally posted by petrus4
They're a couple of textual databases with a (possibly weighted) randomisation algorithm, a voice synthesis program, and a graphical subsystem strung together. That's literally all.

I am prepared to state catagorically that strong (digital/mechanical, at least) artificial intelligence does not exist; and also that it most likely never will. If you're going to call this AI, you'll want to call literally any database lookup system that has ever been written AI, as well.

The responses are generated via pure text matching. Sometimes there are wildcards or regexes used, and because of that, the results can *look* a little emergent and like true intelligence, but that is all it is. A complete illusion. What you're essentially looking at here, is a couple of very basic implementations of something like Google, bouncing search results back and forth between each other. Each result is generated by an entirely dumb, static (or mildly fuzzy in the case of a regex, as stated) search pattern.

Nothing to see here, folks. Nothing at all. Move along.


A.I. will never exist??
An artificial neural network (ANN), usually called neural network (NN), is a mathematical model or computational model that is inspired by the structure and/or functional aspects of biological neural networks. A neural network consists of an interconnected group of artificial neurons, and it processes information using a connectionist approach to computation. In most cases an ANN is an adaptive system that changes its structure based on external or internal information that flows through the network during the learning phase. Modern neural networks are non-linear statistical data modeling tools. They are usually used to model complex relationships between inputs and outputs or to find patterns in data.

Artificial Neural Networks

If artificial intelligence doesn't already exist, then it will soon. In fact remember this?


reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 05:38 PM by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by mossme89



And this is now?



Wow, what it says is interesting.

"Conspiring to take over the planet"
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reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 05:57 PM by kindred
reply to post by avatar01



You obviously know nothing about artificial intelligence & algorithms if you think an internet bot has the same level of intelligence & reasoning as a human being. But you certainly know how to plagiarise.


reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 06:06 PM by ErgoTheConfusion
Originally posted by kindred
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post by avatar01



You obviously know nothing about artificial intelligence & algorithms if you think an internet bot has the same level of intelligence & reasoning as a human being. But you certainly know how to plagiarise.


The poster didn't say same level. They said same basic mechanisms.

You pretty much proved their point. There is nothing unique in what you offered, it is pretty much an automatic response based on the data set of information and communication mechanisms you are working with. Not to mention an ill suited response to a misunderstood proposition.

Namaste!
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reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 06:11 PM by kindred
reply to post by ErgoTheConfusion



He insinuated that a human being is no different to an internet or computer bot. Internet bots are governed by their programming, even if it is adaptive programming. They are not capable of reasoning or thinking for themselves. They also don't have the ability or capacity to evolve beyond their basic programming. The mechanisms are therefore not the same.

WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?
www-formal.stanford.edu...

en.wikipedia.org...
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reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 07:02 PM by dreadphil
reply to post by kindred



I like your reasoning sir, or madam as the case may be.


reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 08:01 PM by ErgoTheConfusion
Originally posted by kindred
He insinuated that a human being is no different to an internet or computer bot. Internet bots are governed by their programming, even if it is adaptive programming. They are not capable of reasoning or thinking for themselves. They also don't have the ability or capacity to evolve beyond their basic programming. The mechanisms are therefore not the same.

WHAT IS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE?
www-formal.stanford.edu...

en.wikipedia.org...


For starters, he did not say there is no difference. He made the assertion (correct or not) that there are people who's behavior is little more than a chat bot in principle and form. Repeating what they have heard, not expanding (without external aid) their awareness or understanding, etc. He made the claim that "most" from his perspective, but that clearly indicates that he sees there to be more within human potential than what a ChatBot is currently... even a *really* complex one.

Now the interesting part here is the potential, because you are making the rigid and fixed claim that human behavior is *not* a product of environmental programming... even if it is *adaptive programming*. Is a Human going to instantly adapt wings? No... because that's not in its fundamental programming. Is every human going to be able to adapt any intelligence ability? Not so far as we can tell, because it's not in that individual's programming.

Emotional state can't be ignored here, but you can't prove another person has emotions, nor can I prove to you that I have them. You may *believe* I do... just as people may believe a sociopath has emotions (of the sort they would recognize).

Think you can make the choice to not respond anymore?

Namaste.
edit on 1-9-2011 by ErgoTheConfusion because: Cleared up some assumptions.

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