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I can hardly find an example of an intelligent father on any program that my teenage children watch. It seems to me that the "Father Knows Best" or "My Three Sons"' even mildly incapable "Courtship of Eddies's Father" figures have been replaced by annoying idiots that must be suffered by their clearly more devious children and savior mothers
Originally posted by zarp3333
Help me out here. Am I simply suffering from the age old perception that "kids these days are lazy, unwilling to work hard and take everything for granted" or have things really changed?
Do other men feel like their most important contribution to the family was a source of viable sperm with a delivery method that cost less than invitro fertilization?
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
A) As they mature into teens, kids recognise just how stoopid their parents actually are. Fortunately, they also observe how we get smarter as we age.
B) Women...beats me all to heck.
Originally posted by Vardoger
I am not a father nor husband but I wish to tell you of my experiences having recently (well 3 years) moved out of the home and reflecting on my fathers way of raising me.
Throughout my teens my father routinely asked for my help around the house and I resented him for it. Often coming to shouting matches. I just didn't understand the burden of working 8-5 mon-fri and coming home to dishes/garbage/laundry.
He also refused to buy me the latest/greatest products especially if they were superficial items (I'd have to buy them myself). However he would always help me out in purchases that were worth something such as.....tools for my project car, music lessons (drum), hockey equipment (even though i had a job and could by it myself) etc.
Once I moved out and now work 8-5 mon-fri and come back home to a less than clean house I can FINALLY understand my fathers position. If I could go back and help out I would and regret that I can't. I feel that I am a much better person from not being given everything under the sun as some of my friends (who were bought everything) are having a incredibly hard time starting out after leaving the home.
Best words I could say is to be tough on your kids, but always make sure they know you love them.
Originally posted by davidchin
I guess it depends on how old you are in that it took this long to notice what has been happening.
I recall those older television shows that you mentioned. But I think it was somewhere maybe in the early 1980s that I recall a show -- I think it was called "Silver Spoons" -- that was somewhat more blatant in the idea of a father figure character who tended to be much less intelligent with the focus on the smart child. Other shows since then have expanded the theme of a stupid/bumbling father living with the smart wife and street-wise children.
The movement may have developed through the 60s and 70s following the Feminist movement and Sexual Revolution as well as the teen rebelliousness that attacked the fundamental family structure. I think the pro-homosexual movement also has a hand in this. The idea is to take away from the traditional definition of a family being a married husband and wife with children, with the husband/father being the spiritual/moral leader and role model for the family. I've seen the attempts to "redefine" what constitutes a family through the television shows, trying to call any collection of people living together who "cared for each other" a family unit.
I suspect it stems from attempts to disengage God from society in order to make allowances for previously objectionable activities to be accepted within mainstream society. Without a strong moral guide, everything becomes relative and acceptable within a person's own concept
of what is acceptable. And everyone else is forced to accept it under the name of 'tolerance'.
Originally posted by zarp3333
On a lighter note maybe this is simply a cultural trend and as a 50 year old I am simply behind the times as middle aged men tend to be since being "with it" holds little importance to me.