The most propersous state in the Union .. RIGHT NOW ?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

reply to post by sayiamu


What gives him the ability to win? What constitutes his track record?

You're right -- experience doesn't matter in elections. Just look at the current bozo. Need more proof that the public doesn't care? Obozo got elected because of skin color, mainly. People wanted to be able to tell their kids they were part of a "historic" election. Well, they got it, except not too many folks will be bragging anymore.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Cuervo

 

You think a person who chose Obama over McCain is an "utter fool"? I would say the opposite.

I can forgive 2008 Obama voters. But 2012 voters for Obama are fools. I would have hoped that would have been obvious from our previous conversation.

Then you better make sure you GOP guys get Ron Paul in the primaries. Otherwise it will be another McCain/Obama. Obama hasn't done half the damage I'd imagine Bachmann, Perry, or Santorum would do. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

reply to post by sayiamu


What gives him the ability to win? What constitutes his track record?

You're right -- experience doesn't matter in elections. Just look at the current bozo. Need more proof that the public doesn't care? Obozo got elected because of skin color, mainly. People wanted to be able to tell their kids they were part of a "historic" election. Well, they got it, except not too many folks will be bragging anymore.

Apparently you weren't around during Bush II's Presidency. Kim il Jong could've run against any Republican candidate and won.

"Race won it" - Bwaaahaahaaa

Who is the Perry guy anyway. Never heard of him In a band or something

reply to post by mikellmikell

Who is the Perry guy anyway. Never heard of him In a band or something

Yeah, he's in that gospel music group, AeroStar. Like the Ford minivan.

reply to post by Cuervo

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Cuervo


You think a person who chose Obama over McCain is an "utter fool"? I would say the opposite.



I can forgive 2008 Obama voters. But 2012 voters for Obama are fools. I would have hoped that would have been obvious from our previous conversation.

Then you better make sure you GOP guys get Ron Paul in the primaries. Otherwise it will be another McCain/Obama. Obama hasn't done half the damage I'd imagine Bachmann, Perry, or Santorum would do. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

I haven't made my mind up yet. RP is not my first choice, unless he's the only one left against Obama. RP has several issues that I definitely disagree with. And I'm afraid that when people start to question him for unfulfilled expectations and promises,he's gonna say "Hey that isn't the govt's job. I believe you should fix it yourself." That's what he's been saying all along but people aren't listening. Rugged individualism sounds great until you run up against a problem bigger than yourself. When that happens, your magic leader will be nowhere to be found.

BTW I'm not GOP, I'm Indy.

Just my .02

reply to post by userid1

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


reply to post by sayiamu


What gives him the ability to win? What constitutes his track record?

********************

You're right -- experience doesn't matter in elections. Just look at the current bozo. Need more proof that the public doesn't care? Obozo got elected because of skin color, mainly. People wanted to be able to tell their kids they were part of a "historic" election. Well, they got it, except not too many folks will be bragging anymore.

Apparently you weren't around during Bush II's Presidency. Kim il Jong could've run against any Republican candidate and won.

"Race won it" - Bwaaahaahaaa

Except that GWB won twice, didn't he? And he was experienced. Not like Obozo.

A strong R against a typical D had a good shot at winning 2008. But too many ahole D's and Indys wanted to be "historic". :shk: That's the only way Boy Blunder won.

You are sorely naive if you don't think Obozo won because of color.

reply to post by mishigas


No he's saying after GWB second term.
If you were around for his second term you would vote for anyone in the next election to get away from GOP. I think that's what he's trying to say.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

reply to post by mishigas


No he's saying after GWB second term.
If you were around for his second term you would vote for anyone in the next election to get away from GOP. I think that's what he's trying to say.

Well, he's wrong. I avoid anything Democratic anymore because they are extremists, radicals, racists, warmongers, and socialists. They are poison to the American culture.

In 2008 the GOP candidate was McCain, as you know, Dem Lite. He was the worst and weakest candidate from the right. I'm still trying to figure out how he was handed the nomination -- what were they thinking?

The first time I saw Obama I knew he was as crooked as a dogs hind leg. The GOP is gonna make mincemeat out of this poser, I thought. Yet the exact opposite happened, and the GOP showed their true pussiness when they didn't attack him one bit. Instead, they turned on innocent Palin.

GOP is a bunch of cowards and backbiters. That's why I'm glad the TPM has emerged.

Perry got a D in economics in college and has been trying to ruin the Texas economy ever since he took office as governor. He is a fake, a profiter, and corporate puppet.

Are last chance at saving our nation is Ron Paul, end the wars and it racketing and restore our image to the rest of the world. Win back our liberties and end the strangle hold the government and its corporate masters have over us.

A True Texan and true American
Congress Ron Paul 2012

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

reply to post by mishigas


No he's saying after GWB second term.
If you were around for his second term you would vote for anyone in the next election to get away from GOP. I think that's what he's trying to say.

Well, he's wrong.

edit on 3-9-2011 by mishigas because: (no reason given)

Your understanding of both history and politics is underwhelming - thanks for the laugh though...

Originally posted by sayiamu
TEXAS ...that's right ...

If you had an NFL team ..that was the best in the league... ..would you want the QB of that team as YOUR QB??

of course ...

this is what it becomes obvious that Rick Perry is the best choice to oppose Obama in 2012 ...

case closed.

Not nessecarily, sometimes the quarterback isn't the best player on the team my friend. Sometimes an NFL team can win the super bowl despite having a mediocre quaterback.

There is something about Perry that scares me. Not even considering his political viewpoint theres something there I just do not like.

Strict...

reply to post by mishigas


That's because a business approach is taken in electing candidates. That's the problem with a country that was too successfully corporatist. Everything resembles a business model and an ad pitch.

There are no candidates that are legitimate thinkers who have come up with their opinions based entirely on long nights thinking and reasoning (with the exception of.. yes Ron Paul).

These are no longer just simple men (or women) we are voting for. It's a perversion. This country is the personification of capitalism gone a little too well.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

reply to post by mishigas


That's because a business approach is taken in electing candidates. That's the problem with a country that was too successfully corporatist. Everything resembles a business model and an ad pitch.

There are no candidates that are legitimate thinkers who have come up with their opinions based entirely on long nights thinking and reasoning (with the exception of.. yes Ron Paul).

These are no longer just simple men (or women) we are voting for. It's a perversion. This country is the personification of capitalism gone a little too well.

I don't think RP had the luxury of staying up all night for much more than studying to become a successful baby doctor. He was by all accounts I've heard a very good doctor; that in itself takes a singular dedication of one's life. How/when he decided to make he switch to politics must be a fascinating story in itself..

Opinion and theory must be tempered by practical experience, though. Life refuses to follow a diagram on a blackboard. People are too unpredictable, Mother Nature is too unforgiving.

RP has some good economic ideas. But his opinions on several other key issues is questionable, such as foreign policy, immigration, and personal liberty re drugs. And as I mentioned, his ideas on govt responsibility are a bit scary, imo.

But he is a good candidate. He has a dedicated following. But this is his last hurrah, his political swan song, and I don't see momentum swinging his way in the magnitude he needs to get a win.

dbl post

reply to post by mishigas


I think his foreign policy ideas are perfect for what we need right now. If we would have adopted his drug stance years ago Mexico wouldn't be a warzone today and we wouldn't be spending millions in taxes paying to lock up non violent drug offenders whose lives were ruined because are drug law are inexplicable compared to the rest of our laws. They seem like they would be more at home in Russia or China (are maybe even harsher than theirs still).

Paul is pretty much dead on.

Originally posted by mishigas
I don't see momentum swinging his way in the magnitude he needs to get a win.

Why not? Because that's what they want you to see.
In all honesty, what's seeping through the cracks is just a fraction of the story and it is making him look very strong.
I'm thinking he might be leading this thing.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by mishigas
I don't see momentum swinging his way in the magnitude he needs to get a win.

Why not? Because that's what they want you to see.
In all honesty, what's seeping through the cracks is just a fraction of the story and it is making him look very strong.
I'm thinking he might be leading this thing.

All we have to go on right now are polls and fundraising success. I read yesterday that RP's following was staying steady. Many polls are internet polls which are useless.

Another metric we can use are the debates. Next week is a very important one. You can be sure that the same cadre of RP's supporters will be there, cheering wildly even when he announces the weather.

Why do you think he might be leading this thing?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

reply to post by mishigas

I think his foreign policy ideas are perfect for what we need right now.

Well, we'll have to disagree on that one. He calls it non-interventionism, I call it isolationism.

If we would have adopted his drug stance years ago Mexico wouldn't be a warzone today and we wouldn't be spending millions in taxes paying to lock up non violent drug offenders whose lives were ruined because are drug law are inexplicable compared to the rest of our laws. They seem like they would be more at home in Russia or China (are maybe even harsher than theirs still).

Refresh my memory. Was that where he would bring the troops home and spread them out along the border? Didn't Dennis Kucinich promote that in 2008....how far did he get? As a matter of fact, there isn't a lot of difference between RP and DK in many areas.

But I'd like to know how we can stop Mexico from being their own hellhole of a drug warzone.

Hell, if you wanted to go for the most prosperous Governor, you'd have to get Bobby Jindall. My parish was the only area of the country to have a positive growth rate at the begining of this mess, and until Obama band new offshore drilling, that trend was going to continue. As it stands right now, most of Louisiana is still doing better than Texas.