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Is Something That Is Coming Down In Our Air Causing Some Of Our Issues?

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:24 PM

Originally posted by BadNinja68

Originally posted by onthelookout

Back at the end of May 2011, I noticed something going on with plants, trees, etc. It looked like they *might* be trying to change to fall colors already. The tops of them it looked like they were turning a reddish color, except it never went to a full red and something just didn’t look right about it, but I couldn’t put my finger on what was strange about it.


This one sentence caught my eye.
Earlier this year, around may...My wife and I had a conversation about local flora fruiting and flowering in may rather than in the fall.
Puzzled us both.
I wrote it off as photosensitivity issues and the position of the plants relative to the shade around them and due to it being natural plant growth (just about anything is possible in nature), but it still shouldnt have been possible in that context... so it was a puzzle.

Now Im curious....has anyone else noticed anything like this?

Yes, my husband and I noticed the same thing. We live in the midwest. We had a few trees turning reddish orange very early this summer. It seemed odd. Also, I have had several plants with rust looking leaves on them. Not just dead looking, but like something is wrong with them.

I had another odd thing happen. Today when I filled my bathtub for a bath, I came back into the bathroom and could not believe what I saw. My bathtub was filled with orangish-brown water. When I drained the tub (which was scrubbed clean and rinsed prior to filling it), there was a thick brownish-orange gunky residue ring from the top water line where the water had mixed with the bath bubbles I had put in. No, the bath bubbles were not orange or brown. It was gross and very odd. It scared me and I actually stood there wondering what was going on with my water. We have a private well, and our land is surrounded on two sides by farm land-- (Currently soybeans). I am suspicious anyway because we have planes flying above our town nearly every day leaving chemtrails. I know the difference between the contrails which disappear, and the chemtrails that fly from cloud to cloud in criss-cross patterns with ever expanding exhaust trails. Also, the rain leaves residue on our vehicles.

Whatever is going on, it does seem strange. Just this week, my marigolds took a turn for the worse. Today as I pulled off some of the deadheads, I noticed that they also look like they have something wrong with them. They normally thrive until frost. I'm still pretty new at posting and have not yet tried to post pics. I need to figure that out so I can contribute even more than verbal testimony.

I will be watching this thread. I too am curious and puzzled at what is wrong. Something is not right.

posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:41 PM
Yes, definitely, before you get too excited first check with your local horticulturalists and growers to see if there is a precedent in your area. Eliminate the obvious first.

As for ash becoming charged, it's quite common during volcanoes Source

posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 12:07 AM

Originally posted by onthelookout

So while stardust itself would be too small to do of anything to interest to the planet, it does aid in increasing the amount of other extraterrestrial material that we see raining down on our planet. I think this particular article was saying it would be increasing from 2005 onward. So that is something to look into. What would asteroid & comet dust mostly consist of? I'd like to see if/what any studies regarding the effects (is that right? or affects...I never get it straight) the material have on us & our planet.

The thing is that interstellar dust is not the only thing which has found it's way into our Solar System.

I made the sugestion back in 2006 that if more interstellar dust was finding it's way into the Solar System, then more charged particles, radiation, gases and other forms of matter and energy from the interstellar cloud that the Solar System is encountering will also find their way into our Solar System.

The usual suspects such as Phage et al kept claiming this would not happen, or it would not affect Earth at all. But now we actually know differently.

Space radiation hits record high

Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASAs Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago."The space era has so far experienced a time of relatively low cosmic ray activity," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech, who is a member of the ACE team. "We may now be returning to levels typical of past centuries."

I already showed research in which scientists say that even though the Sun's activity had lowered since 2006, until not that ong ago, something else, which has been carried by the Solar Wind, has been warming the Earth's atmosphere. That something else must have a source, and imo that souce is either the interstellar cloud the Solar System is entering, or something inside it.

I have also shown other evidence in other threads that shows something with massive mass is causing changes in the Solar System, such as.

Secular increase of the astronomical unit and perihelion precessions as tests of the Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati multi-dimensional braneworld scenario
Lorenzo Iorio JCAP09(2005)006 doi: 10.1088/1475-7516/2005/09/006

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Lorenzo Iorio
Viale Unità di Italia 68, 70125, Bari, Italy
Abstract. An unexpected secular increase of the astronomical unit, the length scale of the Solar System, has recently been reported by three different research groups (Krasinsky and Brumberg, Pitjeva, Standish). The latest JPL measurements amount to 7 ± 2 m cy−1. At present, there are no explanations able to accommodate such an observed phenomenon, either in the realm of classical physics or in the usual four-dimensional framework of the Einsteinian general relativity. The Dvali–Gabadadze–Porrati braneworld scenario, which is a multi-dimensional model of gravity aimed at providing an explanation of the observed cosmic acceleration without dark energy, predicts, among other things, a perihelion secular shift, due to Lue and Starkman, of 5 × 10−4 arcsec cy−1 for all the planets of the Solar System. It yields a variation of about 6 m cy−1 for the Earth–Sun distance which is compatible with the observed rate of change for the astronomical unit. The recently measured corrections to the secular motions of the perihelia of the inner planets of the Solar System are in agreement with the predicted value of the Lue–Starkman effect for Mercury, Mars and, at a slightly worse level, the Earth.

posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 12:10 AM
I know some people like to think these phenomenon are not related, but it is too much of a coincidence that they are occurring at the same time.

Also whatever the cause of all of this is affecting our Moon as well, asteroids, which are arriving days earlier than they are supposed to, and causing other anomalies such as redirecting the incoming cosmic microwave radiation which is even speculated to be caused by some "unknown gravitational source in our Solar system".

6 The increase of the Astronomical Unit

6.1 The observation

From the analysis of radiometric measurements of distances between the Earth and the major planets including observations from Martian orbiters and landers from 1961 to 2003 a secular increase of the Astronomical Unit of approximately 10 m/cy has been reported (36) (see also the article (37) and the discussion therein).

6.2 Search for explanation

Time–dependent gravitational constant and velocity of light This increase cannot be explained by a time–dependent gravitational constant G because the ˙ G/G needed is larger than the restrictions obtained from LLR.

It has also been speculated that a time–dependent change in the velocity of light can be responsible for this effect. Indeed, if the speed of light becomes smaller, than ranging will simulate a drift of distances. However, a inspection of Kepler’s third law
T2 4π2
a3 = GM⊙


shows that, if one replaces the distance a by a ranging time a = ct, then effectively the quotient G/c3 appears. Only this combination of the gravitational constant and the speed of light governs the ratio between the orbit time, in our case the orbit time of the Earth. Consequently, a time–dependent speed of light is equivalent to a time–dependent gravitational constant. Since the latter has been ruled out to be possibly responsible for an increase of the Astronomical Unit, also a time–dependent speed of light has to be ruled out.

Cosmic expansion The influence of cosmic expansion by many orders of magnitude too small, see Sec.9.2. Neither the modification of the gravitational field of the Sun nor the drag of the planetary orbits due to the expansion is big enough to explain this drift.

Clock drift An increase of ranged distances might also be due to a drift of the time scale of the form t → t + αt2 for α > 0. This is of the same form as the time drift needed to account for the Pioneer anomaly. From Kepler’s third law one may ask which α is suitable in order to simulate the increase of the Astronomical Unit. One obtains α ≈ 3 · 10−20 s−1 what is astonishing close to the clock drift needed for a clock drift simulation of the pioneer anomaly, see Eq.(16) and below.

7 The quadrupole and octupule anomaly Recently an anomalous behavior of the low–l contributions to the cosmic microwave background has been reported. It has been shown that (i) there exists an alignment between the quadrupole and octupole with > 99.87% C.L. [38], and (ii) that the quadrupole and octupole are aligned to Solar system ecliptic to > 99% C.L. [39]. No correlation with the galactic plane has been found.

The reason for this is totally unclear. One may speculate that an unknown gravitational field within the Solar system slightly redirects the incoming cosmic microwave radiation (in the similar way as a motion with a certain velocity with respect to the rest frame of the cosmological background redirects the cosmic background radiation and leads to modifications of the dipole and quadrupole parts). Such a redirection should be more pronounced for low–l components of the radiation. It should be possible to calculate the gravitational field needed for such a redirection and then to compare that with the observational data of the Solar system and the other observed anomalies.

8.2 Other anomalies?
There is one further observation which status is rather unclear bit which perhaps may fit into the other observations. This is the observation of the return time of comets: Comets usually come back a few days before they are expected when applying ordinary equations of motion. The delay usually is assigned to the outgassing of these objects. In fact, the delay is used for an estimate of the strength of this outgassing. On the other hand, it has been calculated in (44) that the assumption that starting with 20 AU there is an additional acceleration of the order of the Pioneer anomaly also leads to the effect that comets come back a few days earlier. It is not clear whether this is a serious indications but a further study of the trajectories of comets certainly is worthwhile.

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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Wertwog
Yes, definitely, before you get too excited first check with your local horticulturalists and growers to see if there is a precedent in your area. Eliminate the obvious first.

As for ash becoming charged, it's quite common during volcanoes

Except that the member Pacificblue showed the following very pertinent excerpt and link.

Credit goes to Pacificblue since he showed the following excerpt and link first.

But according to a new study, electric ash from the Eyjafjallajökull volcano was found a record 745 miles (1,200 kilometers) away from the eruption.

At that distance, it wasnt energy from the eruption itself that charged the ash, said study co-author Giles Harrison, a meteorologist at the University of Reading in the U.K. Based on the average size and shape of particles in the ash, "any initial charging that occurred would have decayed away many times over." In fact, ash from deep in the volcanic plume was still charged 32 hours after being spewed from the Iceland peak, which suggests that the charge was self-renewing, the scientists say.

The discovery means that many volcanic ash plumes might be electrified, which could have implications for the air-travel industry.

I am not saying the interstellar dust, charged particles, radiation and other forms of energy and matter from the interstellar cloud must be the source of this redish sky, orange/redish Sun and whatever is causing plants to change colors earlier, but it is possible that it could be the source.

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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 12:27 AM
reply to post by onthelookout

Possible, could all depend on the size of the particles and wavelength of the light. The RS effect produces spectacular sunsets and other phenomena when there is high ionization and dust. I don't know much about 'cosmic dust' and what these particles are made of, or if they are charged, or if they even effect earth. Longer light wavelengths, red and yellow tend to scatter less than the shorter wavelengths, so normally we see more of the blues and violets, but if there were enough particles of certain types and sizes (especially very small charged particles) we could see some very dramatic colours in the sky.

This does not account for the reported botanical 'browning' which I suspect has more to do with radiation/chemical impacts on plant DNA, or could be a virus/bacteria. If it is radiation/chemical particulates, this would be more evident in high 'rain-out' areas and more visible at higher elevations, and at the tops of plants first where higher concentrations are likely to accumulate as they rain down from the troposphere.

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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 12:34 AM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Thank you for all of the information and the links, you have some really good information, and I can not wait to read all the articles and information that you shared. It is just what I was looking for and that way you presented it makes it easier to understand, than other things I have read about the concept of the electric universe. Cool screen name, btw.

And that is what I meant in my earlier post, why is the ash re-charging itself now at such a great distance from the to do some reading now.

posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 12:41 AM
reply to post by Wertwog

I have been trying to understand Sulphur 35 since I heard it mentioned on fairwinds, I think, so thank you for the explanation and for all of the other information. Still not sure I understand the whole thing, but I think I grasp the basic concept, sort of.

Never knew about Rayleigh scattering, and that is very interesting reading. I have heard it mentioned as the reason that the sun looked like it was in a slightly different place or as the reason the sky looked different, and now it makes much more sense.

posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 07:42 AM
We have the same problem here in the Ozarks. It well beyond a normal haze and has resulted in red sunset after red sunset this year. Last year an area the size of Texas burnt in Siberia and I noticed the same or at least a similar haze. More and more of Siberia is slashed and burnt every year and may be a direct cause for the yellow smog like haze. I have also seen something similar when I was young. It was on a much smaller scale but was the result of a natural gas leak and caused the same kind of haze. Could the horizon or other wells we have not heard of still be outgassing methane? We have many red oaks dying which may be from drought, but they are dropping like flies none the less. I drove to Denver in April and noticed that trees in the rockies are dying like mad as well. I also wonder if this haze may be the reason we have seen record temps this year.

My gut says it is smoke from Russia friend!

The taiga, which accounts for one-fifth of the world's forested land, has seen a tenfold increase in the rate of deforestation in recent decades mainly due to forest fires. The scientists say global warming and lack of funding, which has left foresters ill-equipped to combat fires, are the main factors behind the loss.

Loggers have also been accused of starting some fires, which enable them to trade in timber which is cheap but still usable.


It looks like Chinas insatiable need for cheap timber and chop sticks may do us in!
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posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 01:42 PM
I've been busy at work (1st of the month reporting and all that jazz), but after work today I'll have time to come back and respond & add additional information as well as this weekend. I love the information that is being added here, as well as the personal observations, and suggestions. For the moment though, I wanted to throw this information in before I forgot.

It is talking about the solar wind being at a 50 year low (which is how long we've been scientifically tracking it). And the solar wind is what keeps the other stuff floating around away from if it's really low then more stuff can get in. I wonder about the timing of it going to a new low, and the increase (from my personal perspective) in noticing that something is different or "off".

Source - Sun's Wind is Lowest Ever Recorded

But during the sun's latest quiet period, the spacecraft found that the overall solar wind is 20 to 25 percent weaker, in terms of pressure and density, than during the previous solar minimum. Weaker solar winds mean a smaller and leakier heliosphere bubble, a protective sheath that surrounds the entire solar system. That means more background cosmic radiation gets through.

This is specific to the part of the discussion regarding stuff coming from space, but that doesn't mean that's what I think is happening, it's just something that I found this morning that I wanted to add. At this moment, I'm still not favoring one possibility over another because there is so much information to look through. Just throwing that out there until I have more time to respond. And thank you guys again for your contributions...they're awesome.

posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 03:18 PM
Another quick update:

I have contacted a couple of local places regarding the plants and trees. One was a Community Stewardship Specialist with our local government (who was recommended as a contact regarding questions about native plant resources for the Pacific Northwest). The person had already left for the holiday weekend, so I've sent an email to him.

I also contacted the Washington Native Plant Society (both the main society as well as a coordinator local to my county) to see if they could answer my questions or at least point me to resources who could, and I'm still waiting to hear back from them.

So perhaps they'll be able to help provide some additional information at least in regards to the plants and trees part of the mystery.

posted on Sep, 2 2011 @ 05:24 PM

Originally posted by onthelookout
reply to post by Byrd

I'm the 4th generation to live in this area, my great-grandmother came here in the early 1900s. And also being a family of hikers/campers we all grew up getting pretty cozy with nature. So I am very familiar with the local plant/animal life and overall environment. But, having said that - it isn't a bad idea to get some feedback from professionals who may have more information to help with the discussion - so thanks for that suggestion.

I also love the outdoors and used to get to spend more time hiking, camping and bird watching, but not in the last couple of years. However, now I may just be able to get out and enjoy the rest of summer. That is neat, that your family has been here so long. My mother was from Oregon, but we grew up in the Desert Southwest.

Glad you enjoyed my description of the fuzzy white balls.
I used to be a master gardener, but I knew more about growing plants, as opposed to the trees in the area. We have a farmer's market here on Saturday, and there is always someone who know about botany, at the information booth, so I will ask them tomorrow and let you know if they have any relevant information. There is usually someone there from Oregon State University or some other institution.

I used to see the orange and yellow pollen floating around when I lived in the Southwest, it was common, and there were many times the sky was red from dust, but I have not really noticed that here, at least not in my area. The only time I did, was when there was a fire in the general area.

Thanks for the information on iron, as it was very useful, and I had not realized what the effect of excessive iron consumption were. Great thread, and enjoy the sunshine, as it looks like we are going to have a really nice holiday weekend.

posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 07:03 PM
I spent about 4 hours today walking and driving around taking pictures of the different plants and trees. I took nearly 200 pictures, so it will take me a little bit to get it down to a few good ones to share with you guys to *try* and illustrate the variety and how widespread it is (at least in my area).

Pacific Blue - Did you happen to get a chance to ask someone at the farmers market what they think it may be?

The reason I'm thinking it's something in the air or coming from above is from various observations over the last year. Things such as my cats suddenly getting sick from the tap water last November (the humans in the house haven't drank the tap water in we didn't notice anything), an increase in the people I know, who in the last year are having respiratory problems (my manager who is a hard core athelete type...does those half Iron man things, etc. had to go to the doctor last month because he has suddenly developed asthma), the increase of days where the air seems an odd orangish color, and the plants/trees looking ill themselves.

It's hard to get any substantial information in personal observations with the air/water and pets, animal behaviors, people, etc. that do any good in further researching the cause - which is why the focus on the plants/trees at the moment. Much easier to document myself and get answers on.

As for the air/sky at the moment here - it looks pretty normal. The next time it's an odd color, I'll attempt to take pictures but I'd be really surprised if it was noticeable. I'm going to reply to responses.

posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Wertwog
reply to post by onthelookout

If it is radiation/chemical particulates, this would be more evident in high 'rain-out' areas and more visible at higher elevations, and at the tops of plants first where higher concentrations are likely to accumulate as they rain down from the troposphere.

OK - I am SO glad that I went back to read and re-read the posts on here because this refers to something I was noticing today. And yes, one of the odd things I've noticed is that it's almost always at the tops of the trees/plants, or tops of the leaves...that's one of the main reasons I started looking to the sky for answers.

This morning I went out for two hours and took over a hundred pictures. The stuff I'm describing about the trees and plants is all over the place here. I wish I had a camcorder, because I could've just taped my entire walk over the 1.5 miles that I went and you would've seen it everywhere.

About an hour or so later, I drove between 6 and 8 miles away and got out and walked and took more pictures. However, I noticed that it wasn't nearly as widespread and bad as the first place. And my first thought was...

The main difference? The first location is about 630 - 640ft above sea level, and the other two locations are at about 30ft above sea level. I don't know if that's enough to make a difference - but it's something.

If anyone else noticing the differences in plants/trees, you could use an online tool (I used EarthTools ) to see how far above sea level you are and see if there is anything to it.

posted on Sep, 3 2011 @ 08:39 PM
@ Byrd -
Regarding pollen/pollution, the pollen was at low-medium to low. As far as pollution, I have not looked further into that at the moment because that's a little lower down on my list because I'm out in the countryside. If pollution is that bad out where I am...then gosh help us all. BUT - it is on my list. I'm not ruling it out simply because I don't think's just lower on the priorities. Thanks for all of your suggestions.

@Hope4Good -
Regarding your well water...ickers! Have you found anything further with that? I've lived places before with well water, and one place in particular had trouble with reddish water due to high iron content (?I think?...this was nearly 20 years was high *something*). Anyways... I think if that was the issue, you would've noticed it more than just this one I would be interested to know what you find out. Also, you mentioned rust colored leaves you happen to know your approximate altitude? And is it the tops of the plants/leaves?

@ElectricUniverse -
Wow...there is so much information to soak in from you. Regarding the electric nature of the various things going on - I have been wondering as well in regards to how people have been behaving lately and whether it's something related to the magnetosphere/electrical (or maybe even solar related) - because on some days people seem to be really, REALLY out of it. I see people swerving in and out of lanes everywhere I go, and sitting at green lights (and none of the 3 or 4 cars behind them even honking), people being spacey...and on those same days the birds are flying all drunk-like or dive bombing the roads. This is one aspect of things I've been noticing that I'm not sure where/what it's coming from. Any thoughts? (Btw, I know this isn't the main point with what you shared...but I'm still chewing on the bigger picture you presented.)

@Donkey_Dean -
Thanks for sharing - I have fires & drought also on my list of things to look into. Could fires from that far away really show up over here? I actually have no idea....I guess that's one of the things to look at, is the distance pollution and fires could cause a haze or coloring in the air.

Any ideas or knowledge that you guys have, even if you think it's far-fetched or silly, I would love to hear (as I'm sure others would). It could be the very thing that brings it all together.

posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 01:43 AM
Have you considered forest fires? There was a fire burning last week, and there are several fires in the Pacific NW that are still burning.

Tumwater Canyon Fire

USDA Forest Fire Update

Current Large Forest Fires

Article about smoke from forest fires visible in Seattle last year, but that was several large fires, and one very large one up in B.C. which probably caused most of the smoke. The fires this year are not as large, at least not right now.

Wildfires Add Glow to Seattle Skies

My cat kept wanting to go outside yesterday and he kept sniffing the air, while facing east. Then he was kind of clinging to me, which is not really like him. Mt. Hood is about fifty miles to the East from where we live. I could not figure out why, but sometimes he does that before storms. I have a storm cat, but I sure wish he could predict earthquakes too!

I knew there was no storm, but I think that I found out why this morning. There is a fire up on Mt. Hood, but usually the smoke blows east, and I am west of the mountain. I did not even notice the smoke smell or haze until this morning, so it either got bigger, or the wind today is blowing west, not east. Today you can smell the smoke and my eyes are still kind of burning. It is kind of hazy, and the sky was orange tinted.

Oregonian article about Mt. Hood fire with photo

However, I realize that there are forest fires almost every year. I just wondered if the tint in the sky could have been from the fire in central Washington. That does not explain the dead leaves on the top of trees, as that would have to be caused by something else.

posted on Sep, 4 2011 @ 03:19 AM

Originally posted by onthelookout
Pacific Blue - Did you happen to get a chance to ask someone at the farmers market what they think it may be?

The reason I'm thinking it's something in the air or coming from above is from various observations over the last year. Things such as my cats suddenly getting sick from the tap water last November (the humans in the house haven't drank the tap water in we didn't notice anything), an increase in the people I know, who in the last year are having respiratory problems (my manager who is a hard core athelete type...does those half Iron man things, etc. had to go to the doctor last month because he has suddenly developed asthma), the increase of days where the air seems an odd orangish color, and the plants/trees looking ill themselves.

When I went to my farmer's market, the person that I wanted to talk to was on vacation today, and the person that was there told me everything is due to the late spring or lack of sun, but she was kind of filling in for someone on vacation. She did not seem to think anything was unusual about the trees, but I am not so sure. I will get better information, but now everyone is off for the weekend. I have also contacted the community college in my area, but no one is there until next week.

My elevation is about 500 feet, and I did not notice the same thing when I was out near the coast last month. The trees and plant on Sauvie Island, near Portland, elevation around 50 feet, look the same way, with dead leaves on top and some brown spots on the plants, hope that helps. I do not think this is the same as last year, at least here, as there are a lot of blackberries this year, and there were hardly any last year.

I also know several people who are now having trouble breathing or shortness of breath this year, and two of them are physically fit, and have never had allergies, asthma or even trouble breathing. That is strange, as one of them never complains about anything and he could probably break his leg and still keep walking. I had to convince him to try some allergy medicine, as he has never used any kind of medication for really anything, and I was surprised that he even mentioned it and that he actually used the medicine for a few weeks. Also, while on a group hike earlier this spring, near Mt. Hood, it seemed like everyone was complaining about shortness of breath, and I even got tired and out of breath. That was unusual, as it was a short hike. Maybe there was pollen or something else in the air that day, but I do not ever remember so many people saying they could not breathe, in fact hikers Never say that. I have been wondering about that all summer, and I do think that it is something physical, like something in the air. Our pollen counts have been about average this year and our air quality is good, as we are outside of the metro area, not quite the country, but not near the city.

How come everyone seems so tired? Traffic has been really slow here, like everyone is tired, or confused. It is usually not that way, as it is not very crowded around here. However, that could be from the economy picking up, but it does seem different. We do have some new and different birds in our wetlands this year, but that could be for any number of reasons. I saw some geese just kind of circling around the other day. It is kind of early in the year for the geese to fly south, and these birds looked lost. Usually I do not see several V formations in one day until later in the year, and my neighbors also thought this was odd.

I think that more information about the trees and other plants this year will answer some questions.

This was posted in the big Volcano Thread, about a volcano in Africa turning the sky red in Europe, just thought it was interesting that another member mentioned the color of the sky being different.

Volcano Watch 2011

Article with pictures of the sky.

Nabro Cause of Red Sunsets in Northern Hemisphere.

What is also interesting about Nabro, is that there was not a volcano there, until it erupted on June 12. However, it is located in the African Rift Valley, which is slowly splitting apart, and someday there will be a new ocean that bisects Africa. This is the first time that I remember hearing about a volcano where there was no volcano before, and that is mentioned in the Volcano thread as well. It surprised almost everyone, and someone thought to look for satellite pictures, because it is in Eritrea and they are not good at sharing information, good thing we have ATS. It looks scary.

Nabro Volcano
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posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:22 PM
reply to post by PacificBlue

I hope you are getting out to enjoy the rest of summer like you said in an earlier post! And a master gardener...well kudos to you...that has definitely not been one of my strong points. It is in the best interest of plants to just keep clear of me. I'm much better with animals, so I stick to my kittie cats.

Regarding the wildfires, it was mentioned in the Seattle article that yellow tinted sky is an indicator of smoke from a nearby fire. So I'm not inclined so much towards the wildfires (still need to look further into it though), but the volcanoes and the orange/red skies...that's interesting.

I did find a website for the Puget Sound Clean Air Agency - and there are some great resources on there. But it also has a lot of technical stuff on there that I will have to read further to understand. However, it does have an 'air graphing tool' that lets you see over time the air quality. When I looked back during the weekend that it was an odd color, there was a spike in the data on Aug 28, but before and after that it was lower than usual. Only problem is...I don't know what the individual elements that they are measuring in the air even I'm not sure *what* exactly spiked. But, it gives me a lead or idea of where to start.

Currently our air quality is good (green), but the forecast shows it going to moderate due to the fires. (When you go to the link, click on the text on the lower left that says "forecast discussion" to see what I'm quoting.

Source - Puget Sound Clean Air Agency Forecast Discussion

For September 5-8, with wildfire smoke from the Olympics, Mt. Hood, and Eastern Washington, we may see some minor pollution to minimal contribution in most of Puget Sound. For now, added "MODERATE" air quality rating. Kitsap County may see more direct impact from the nearby/growing fire. Smog levels also are expected to reach MODERATE levels, especially near the Cascade foothills. The NOAA Model for smog is indicating Monday could reach UNHEALTHY FOR SENSITIVE GROUPS in the Cascade foothills, however, it is likely exaggerating the wildfire smoke as air temperatures would need to be 5-10 degrees higher to generate that much smog. For now, left forecast as MODERATE. Expect later in the week to get a bit hotter, and with the heat potentially worse air quality.

Thanks for letting me know about the altitude thing not being the same in your experience. Even though it doesn't confirm my experience, it helps steer me as far as which direction to keep pursuing.

Good to know though about what you've experienced in regards to people having difficulty with breathing/allergies as well as confused behavior like I had mentioned. I *feel* like it's all connected...but until something is found that does connect remains just that... a feeling.

And Nabro That picture in one of your links...just wow. That is a monster. If that caused the colored sunsets in the lower hemisphere...then I wonder how far the ones going off in South America are reaching?....Off to my "Thotful Spot" (pooh bear's thinking place)

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 12:46 PM
Still going through so many pictures...argh. But I did find something interesting. I had attempted to take a picture of the trees overall at the beginning of August (I thought it was in July, but I looked at the properties of the picture and it says created Aug 08...) to try and show how the leaves were coloring at the tops of the trees. (Ok...with the poor picture looks more yellow...I seriously need a new camera

You can kind of see the coloring at the top in the picture. (This is the one from Aug 8)

Now this one, was taken yesterday morning (Sept 4) of the same trees.

After a month, it hasn't changed. If it was changing colors like trees do normally in the fall, how come the whole tree isn't colored by now? The only difference I can see in person, is that the leaves are more dry than they were when I was looking at it the previous month. I would have expected more of the tree to look like it was changing it's leaves after a month...

posted on Sep, 5 2011 @ 01:05 PM

Originally posted by onthelookout
I spent about 4 hours today walking and driving around taking pictures of the different plants and trees. I took nearly 200 pictures, so it will take me a little bit to get it down to a few good ones to share with you guys to *try* and illustrate the variety and how widespread it is (at least in my area).

Put them in a Flickr photostream so we can look at them in some sort of order?

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