33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program, page 2


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reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 03:33 PM by PaTommyJ
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3

ROFLMAO!! great reply- my thoughts exactly. Way too much information to hide this 'idnetity' in todays world.
Wonder what the lunch beverages/after lunch smoke break consisted of...


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 03:46 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Frira



My mother grew up in kwajalein. All the civilians would get out their swank A/V equipment (that was all they had, with no TV and only USO Radio) to record all the launches while they tested ICBM's.

One day, everyone was asked for their photo's/videos, ostensibly due to a glitch with the military recording equipment. Then they said, "You guys have video so much better than ours, we are going to have to ban you all from filming anymore for 'national security.'".

This is a transparent lie, leading with an ego stroking before hitting them with the "bad news". Regardless, I can tell you that it was in 1969 that this happened, and after that the island was patrolled to make sure everyone was inside. They reinforced it by telling everyone (who were patriots, and therefore gullible) that being outside could make them sick as they tested novel propellants and payloads.

But a Saturn V rocket could have been launched from just such a remote location as Kwajalein. You should see some of the photos and videos of missile launches my family has in our archives. We even have one where we were testing a Nazi rocket. I can only assume it was seized and not developed a la Project Paperclip.



reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 03:51 PM by TheEnlightenedOne
Originally posted by Frira
In the first two sections-- I don't think there was a single item not matching known programs-- the kind which have press-releases. In the third section...

I'll just offer one example where credibility went out the window: Apollo 18 and beyond?

Just how did we build, transport and launch a Saturn V moon rocket and no one noticed?

All the Saturn Vs are accounted for. All Lunar Modules are accounted for. Tourists have been in and around the Vertical Assembly Building at the cape every day-- pretty sure someone would have noticed a moon rocket being stacked, not to mention, launched.



Not that I am gullible but this post is by far one of the best ones I have ever read on this forum.

Just because you have not heard of Apollo 19, 20 and beyond, does not mean those never existed. As far as I am concerned we aren't told anything unless THEY wants us to know.

Just because YOU don't see Aurora's type projects with your own eyes or don't see them on your TV doesn't mean they don't exist either.

Again, I am not gullible but this world is corrupted and we have been lied to since the day we were born!

As to the OP, just like everyone else had said; Edit your friend's information to protect him and Thank you for allowing us to read this amazing story!

EDIT: Just Edited to say that this reminded me of the thread of a guy that lost a couple of his friends on
Jupiter. I'm at work and can't find the darn thread!

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edit on 31-8-2011 by TheEnlightenedOne because: Just to get the link mentioned above!
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edit on 31-8-2011 by TheEnlightenedOne because: It was supposed to be Jupiter not Saturn!



reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:00 PM by redzareptile
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Is there a way for you to post those pictures from your family archives here so we all can see???

I agree with you though. It's not like they are going to launch a "top secret" space vehicle from Cape Canaveral. There are plenty of sparcely populated ares out west or in the Pacific that vould easily hide a Large rocket.

As to the OP...
Why is it not possible that a long time associate could not divulge information about his former career. I work in sales and often get people to talk about things that one would not think of as "ordinary" conversation.

People need to open their "closet: from time to time in order to remain sane.

I agree with the consensus that maybe this guy's info should have been better disguised.... but maybe it has in order to throw us all off???

A mystery wrapped up in an enigma hidden behind a conspiracy based on a half truth??


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:04 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by redzareptile



I have been intending to, but haven't gotten around to it. Zorgon has had a request in for a couple of years. The problem for me: my uncle has most of them, and he is kind of annoying. So i try to avoid his house, especially for the hours it would take to make digital copies of those pictures.

One day i will have to. But they are in safe hands for the time being and i haven't pressured myself.

Also...you don't have to have land to launch from. SeaLaunch is a well known launch platform.


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:05 PM by EnigmaAgent
reply to post by vincenz32




Great story bro.

Not too precise, just about the right information. Leave people on a cliffhanger and let their own imagination take over.

Great story.


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:09 PM by TheEnlightenedOne
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan



The problem with the SEA launched vehicles, is that depending on how big these vehicles are, it will be hard to hide it from the public living nearby naval bases (ports). Then again, who's not to say that they aren't being launched from an undisclosed secret location at the poles (ie: Antartica)?


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:14 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by TheEnlightenedOne



Not even that. Pole launches don't work very well.

However, you could launch from the Sea when you disallow residents of a nearby naval base from being outside (as in the previously mentioned Kwaj story), or when you go out into a very distant location for your launch, such as the south pacific.



reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:15 PM by redzareptile
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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Also...you don't have to have land to launch from. SeaLaunch is a well known launch platform.


That is my point as well. There are too many open spaces sea or land for a large space vehicle to be launched from.

I understand difficult family. LOL!!!


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:24 PM by Aeons
reply to post by Open2Truth



Why do you think that all of these people end up in defense companies? I think that might just be your perception, and not necessarily reality.

I'm thinking of someone right now whom I know went from being a General to a speaker and consultant.


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:43 PM by Argen
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan



What was that off the coast of CA? A missile launch??, no it was just a plane...lol


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 04:49 PM by Open2Truth
reply to post by Aeons



I wasn't actually stating a belief that all retired officers wind up working in the defense industry and their lobbying firms, but many do. I was trying to poke fun at my own reaction to the story - which was obviously an epic fail.


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 05:15 PM by bluestreak53
I did have one incident that happened a long time ago that was quite weird. It happened at a bar (so I guess that explains something). It was fairly late and not many people in the bar. I encountered a man near the entrance and he stopped me, and started talking to me like he knew me and was very excited to see me. I had no idea who he was and thought, okay, just some drunk. He seemed really, really convinced I was someone he knew, and I got from what he was saying to me that he had known me from some military base at "Four Corners".

When he mentioned "Four Corners", I thought he was maybe referring to the "Four Corners" which is by Edwards Air Force Base in California. I knew this only from seeing the name on a road map as I passed by Edwards, headed north on a highway on a vacation through California. But when I mentioned Edwards, he shook his head and said he meant the Four Corners area where the four states meet. I told him I didn't know of any base in that area. At that point, he mentioned Dulce, New Mexico (which is actually quite a ways from Four Corners I figure). He did indicate that he had been involved in some sort of "Special Ops Force" with I am assuming the US Army (or perhaps Air Force). I think he indicated to me he was Apache Indian (and he certainly looked Apache or from that area rather than local BC Coastal or interior aboriginal ethnicity). I should state that I have European ancestry and am not of aboriginal background.

I can't remember all that we talked about, but I did get the feeling he had been involved in some sort of secret military facility from that area. I'm not sure if he mentioned anything to do with "aliens" but I seem to remember that we may have touched on that topic. After talking for a while, I think he realized I was not the guy he knew, so he sort of clammed up and got quiet. He seemed really let down that I wasn't this guy he knew, so I guess this must have been someone who was a friend (so he must have known this guy fairly well). For that reason, I think he was telling me the truth about this base, and I have to wonder where this base is. I did get the impression it might be an underground base he was referring to.

It was a very weird incident and made me wonder if I might have a "twin" somewhere, even if it is just someone who looks like me.


reply posted on 31-8-2011 @ 05:49 PM by domtron
reply to post by vincenz32


most believable and sane story i have read here lol not knocking fellow members but just sayin . besides i have had family who were stationed at wright patt and had similar stories to that of your friend. actually Project Blue Book started out of wright patt. should read about it if you havent already. thank you for the post
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