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33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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Yupp, makes sense. Its amazing how deluded the government tries to keep us...




posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Thank you for sharing this information
To bad there are so many haters here



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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Subjective, not objective. Link? Other confirmation of story elements by independent witnesses? I see. Just your calm friendly humble honest truth here. So you say you know a guy who says he talked to someone else about what might be hidden somewhere in the desert? Hmmmmm....
I saw one (UFO) once... no really, I did. I was with others who saw it too. But that was 30+ years ago and I don't have any physical proof or eyewitness friends left to confirm it and, or other independent corroboration to convince any body of anything. I could tell it all here but that would be a waste of time and no one would believe me anyway.
But I know that what I saw was not Earth Technology, and yet... it WAS Technology. Thats why to this day I troll UFO's on the internet, hoping to better understand what I have come to believe exists but little is known about.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by pillock
Thank you for sharing this information
To bad there are so many haters here


"Haters" Translated = Sheoplized, usually payed, yes men robots. Let them continue to bow down, then bend over and grab their ankles for their masters. No worries, They are quickly becoming an online dying breed. ~SheopleNation



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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I have seen some things in those bases that could keep a person up.
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Sorry, which bases? All of them, a few? I probably shouldn't, but I am going to bite. What is it you have seen and where?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
Aren't you concerned that you've given enough details about your friend that someone can track him down. Because, I gotta tell you that that is more than enough for someone to find him. I could find him with that information.

Otherwise - very interesting.


I totally agree, even though he "edited" places we could widdle it down to who this man is and where he works. Hell poster, do you think that their are tens of thousands if not millions of retired generals working? The retired General alone makes it easy. Also I've came to believe also that there is a seperate agency or organization that deals with the super black projects. It would make sense and if these guys want to make sure you cooperate or keep your mouth shut, they don't really have to kill you. They can either go into your home or via remote to your computer and put child porn all over the place and then arrest you for it on a tip. After that, nobody will believe what comes out of your mouth. They will say some pedophile is making stories and acting crazy to get out of going to a well deserved prison sentence. This and other things are techniques that they can do to silence you or make your message garbled.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Very interesting, have read some of this before in other places, think there are nuggets of truth in the OP



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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This thread is just about dead, but wanted to put my 2 cents in...

I can vouch for OP's story as far as how the military will give clearances and need to knows. I've worked on projects in my past (nothing to this nature) where I would be granted a temporary clearance or a 'go ahead, just keep your mouth shut' type thing. It's kind of like working under the table, except just don't tell the IRS. Pretty shady, but sometimes you its easier to give a need to know than it is to be given a whole new clearance. Compartmentalization is still very much in effect, whereas because I work on X project, you may not have access to it even though both of our clearance is TS; it just depends on the position/project.

I am sure a lot of this info can be found online, but just thought I could shed some light on that just in case anyone wanted to know. As for the OPs story as a whole, either you're an awesome liar or you're telling the truth. Either way, your friend's story sounds like something that could actually happen (because of how you describe it), and the descriptions that you give about your friend talking about the military is very much on point as how I've seen it work in my tenure. Hope theres an update



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Details on how you've 'seen' what you have described please.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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There's an area here near the Air Force base in Albuquerque, NM called Four Corners.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
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But I know that what I saw was not Earth Technology, and yet... it WAS Technology. Thats why to this day I troll UFO's on the internet, hoping to better understand what I have come to believe exists but little is known about.

I've seen reports of UFOs in the military, too, but have not seen them close enough myself. Just a couple of white dots above cumulus clouds dancing in and out of the cloud.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheEnlightenedOne

Originally posted by Frira
In the first two sections-- I don't think there was a single item not matching known programs-- the kind which have press-releases. In the third section...

I'll just offer one example where credibility went out the window: Apollo 18 and beyond?

Just how did we build, transport and launch a Saturn V moon rocket and no one noticed?

All the Saturn Vs are accounted for. All Lunar Modules are accounted for. Tourists have been in and around the Vertical Assembly Building at the cape every day-- pretty sure someone would have noticed a moon rocket being stacked, not to mention, launched.



Not that I am gullible but this post is by far one of the best ones I have ever read on this forum.

Just because you have not heard of Apollo 19, 20 and beyond, does not mean those never existed. As far as I am concerned we aren't told anything unless THEY wants us to know.

Just because YOU don't see Aurora's type projects with your own eyes or don't see them on your TV doesn't mean they don't exist either.

Again, I am not gullible but this world is corrupted and we have been lied to since the day we were born!

As to the OP, just like everyone else had said; Edit your friend's information to protect him and Thank you for allowing us to read this amazing story!

EDIT: Just Edited to say that this reminded me of the thread of a guy that lost a couple of his friends on Jupiter. I'm at work and can't find the darn thread!


edit on 31-8-2011 by TheEnlightenedOne because: (no reason given)

edit on 31-8-2011 by TheEnlightenedOne because: Just to get the link mentioned above!

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edit on 31-8-2011 by TheEnlightenedOne because: It was supposed to be Jupiter not Saturn!


Ha me too.. Reminded me of that thread instantly. Soon as he mentions how fast we can travel and Jupiter...
Makes you think..



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Great stuff but fyi - the first thing I thought was Corporate Controlled Space Program - not aliens. And everything you shared seems to support that assumption.

S&F&



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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To the OP,

The description you give of your "friend" sounds a lot like this guy. Especially when he mentioned the other Apollo missions:

Brigadier General William Rutledge -USAF

Could it be him?.....



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Guys, I must admit many of you think I posted this to raise my ego, when in all honesty this has made me not even want to turn on a computer screen and has destroyed my ego. I won't be posting anymore.
... I ... thought expressing what happened to me yesterday on here would be awesome to get some feedback. But my psyche can't take any more of the abuse.


So, is that why you posted, verbatim, the same "conversation" on GodLikeProductions?

Just needed to get it off your chest?

Twice?

Or more?

jw



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if you guys on these sites are wanting to find out the truth so you can change it, or if you just like scaring the # out of yourselves.

So what if all of this is true. You in any position to do anything?

Lockheed runs "Area 51" and develops what would be called "advanced" technology, and there more than likely are "extra-terrestrial" craft or other goodies there. NASA getting cancelled does not matter in the slightest...it is/was just a dog and pony show for the masses. Why would the United States government use tax payer money and go through the hassle of running their own space program under the constant public microscope...when they can just purchase what they want from a Lockheed who develops vastly superior technology with zero red tape.

I guess this is where someone would expect someone to say "Wake up people," but frankly, it won't happen. If you want to get your hands into the intelligence community, you have to work very hard to get there, and get your hands dirty...literally and figuratively.

After all, what does it matter if a bunch of morons on a website get their hands on some kind of information...maybe magically someone will start listening? You will know what you are allowed to know...and you will eat or be eaten. Survival and advancement of the fittest...and it won't change unless something catastrophic were to happen...and more than likely it would be "under control" to begin with.

Stop worrying about people who can't help themselves and make 'yourself' powerful...and do whatever it takes. Study, meditation, physical fitness, and personal adaptation. Put youself on top of the food chain if you don't like it at the bottom.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Very interesting read, thank you for posting, especially if it's true. For some reason, none of this shocks me, even reading through a lens of assuming it's all true. The obelisk on mars would be interesting. Was it constructed as a greeting for everyone when we finally go to mars on a regular basis?

Interesting. Probably BS, but interesting. Thank you for the thoughts, though!



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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so what if they find him. stories without proof are nothing.

and how many generals and military personal have already gone on public record, speaking around the country to select few who believe them and are interested in the matter.

the president has to be part of the coverup. he is the commander in chief of the military. if he went to area 51, no military personal could even question him, let alone stop him from going into every hanger and accessing every document and computer.

military officers have sworn an oath to obey every order and command the president of the united states issues.

and by any remote chance, if he wants to go into an area guarded by these unknown "men in black", he could easily order a squad of heavily armed airman, the air force equivalent of a private, the lowest rank, to gain access by force if necessary and detain anyone he orders detained, even 4 star generals.

no 20 year old private or airman, would ever refuse a direct order from the president. a general might put up a fight, but he'll stand alone.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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33 years eh. . .

That number, 33, keeps popping up with UFO's




Jack Parsons was a high priest in the OTO under Aleister Crowley and he later performed the Babylon ritual with L Ron Hubbard (scientology founder)

1947 Jack Parsons dies in classified explosion
1947 33 parallel Roswell UFO (NOTE THE 19.47 degrees and 33 degrees in NASA missions: Nasa Occult link below)
Phoenix AZ 33 parallel Phoenix Lights (I saw these so I can verify)
Battle of LA 33 parallel (well close)
Himalayas 33 parallel and UFO history
Venus = Lucifer http:// forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=93342 (put in your browser/ not sure of TC here) Let me add

Daley Plaza 33 parallel JFK assassinated
33 degrees of Scottish Right Freemasonry
The All Seeing Eye in freemasonry and on the dollar bill is eerily similar to the Dajjal Anti-Christ of the Quran Could there be any connection or is this all some odd coincidence?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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I dont understand why you all are concerned with people finding the guy. No information was given here that isnt well known.

Great story though.



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