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33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program

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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by curtius
reply to post by Frira
 
rockets---who needs rockets. sounds like somebody is way beyond rockets.



Apollo 18, 19, and 20 are rockets.

You need a rocket to discuss rockets. The man claimed to the OP that Apollo 18, 19 and 20 were used. Those are rockets. You cannot have a rocket without a rocket.

My Lord! A little focus here?




posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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reply to post by templar knight
 


Unless Branson and the like are involved...



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by spikey

Originally posted by wutz4tom

Originally posted by wutz4tom
reply to post by ASC Nole
 


Sorry, but I do not believe if this were true that you would jeapordize your clearance by posting on here.Just my opinion.



I must admit I make mistakes and could be wrong...

Example: for years I thought the reason that they wouldn't admit that there were these flying objects in our skies was because.....* It would give the impression they were NOT in control of the situation..
Now I'm wondering if ....They Knew that Many of these ships were ours all along. Better to let the population think that they were outside visitors and keep the spotlight off themselves?


Unless time travel is a secret reality too (debatable), they cannot be responsible for the huge quantity of pre-20th century UFO and ET reports, and sightings.

Ufology didn't start in the 1940's...sightings go back thousands of years right up till the present day.

Some of the sightings? 100% our advanced and secret craft, absolutely true.

All of the sightings? Not a chance.



I don't think it would be possible to travel into the past. There is too much room for paradoxes. Travelling into the future on the other hand, I think is a real possibility



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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-My final question to him was the moon, mars, and secret space programs. He admitted to me that there was more than just Apollo 18, 19, 20, but the Russians have had men on the moon, and we have been there back and forth more times than you can even imagine. He also stated we have bases on the moon with 100% certainty a


Ok Let me say this Vincentz32

Now What I would Like you to DO is Go to Google Type Information Bridge

now go to that site and when you are there type Moon Base Lunar Base

Now check all those Legitimate PDF's


Example of what you will see !


LA-UR-88-1192; CONF-880594-1
Steps toward lunar settlement
Jones, E.M. 1988 Jan 01

INL/CON-08-14353
A Basic LEGO Reactor Design for the Provision of Lunar Surface Power
John Darrell Bess 2008 Jun 01

LA-UR-85-363; CONF-8410230-9
Mechanical properties of lunar materials under anhydrous, hard vacuum conditions: applications of lunar glass structural components
Blacic, J.D. 1984 Jan 01

LA-UR-85-384; CONF-8410230-7
In-situ rock melting applied to lunar base construction and for exploration drilling and coring on the moon
Rowley, J.C. ; Neudecker, J.W. 1984 Jan 01

LA-UR-86-1481; CONF-860179-1
Can the US afford a lunar base
Keaton, P.W. 1986 Jan 01

LA-UR--94-1958; CONF-940812--11
Lunar surface fission power supplies: Radiation issues
Houts, M.G. ; Lee, S.K. 1994 Jul 01

LA-UR-86-2213; CONF-8606145-1
Lunar laboratory
Keaton, P.W. ; Duke, M.B. 1986 Jan 01

DOE/NV/25946--488
Lunar Wireless Power Transfer Feasibility Study ((((( Tesla Technolagy ???? )
Sheldon Freid, et al. 2008 Jun 01


and that is just on Page 1 out of 34!!


The Government has been planning Testing Confirming looking for Funding
that a Moon Base is Plausible to be made there Since the 70s!

The Testing has been Already Confirmed or that Document turned to PDF Would Not Exist on that site
They the Government had Contractors Testing and Confirming that it can be Done !!

Here is My Thread that I made Attempting to Explain it ! The Pdfs the Testing the Funding ! its all there!

Buzz Aldrin's Dream ,Helium 3 and Lunar Resource Base,
www.abovetopsecret.com...


There are real commercial activities that private enterprises could develop on the moon as well: Helium 3 can be mined, and heavy metal meteorites could be a source of rare earth metals. And the presence of water ice would make great rocket fuel — and rocket fuel is gets us to Mars. Aldrin thinks that base could form part of a transportation infrastructure that would enable us to get to near Earth objects such as asteroids, Martian moon Phobos, even Mars itself and beyond.


A Movie put together Sorta Kinda based on that Fact of putting a Lunar base for Resources is Called Moon

"Moon" - Official Trailer [HQ]





Besides going to the Information Bridge Site

( Search for Lunar Base in your PDF Viewer (Scan it ! ) for the PDF's Below )

Exploring the Moon and Mars: Choices for the Nation
July 1991 OTA-ISC-502 NTIS order #PB91-220046
www.fas.org...


Access to Space: The Future of U.S. Space Transportation Systems
April 1990 OTA-ISC-415 NTIS order #PB90-253154
www.fas.org...

NASA Advanced Space Transportation Program
en.wikipedia.org...


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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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I think you are mistaking the statement.
It appears you read it as the person was a Brig General for 33 yrs.

I read it as the person was an Air Force serviceman for 33yrs and retired a Brig General.

It's all in the semantics and interpretation.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by ASC Nole
oh, I admit, im grammer is horrid, always has been. But can you figure out the EPOC and preigee of a rocket leaving China and figure out its orbit?


If you have ever worked with enginees, you would know we suck at grammar. I admit as much.


Both my dad and my brother in law have dyslexia, and so they are pretty bad with spelling and grammar too.

Both are excellent engineers though, and could 'build me under the table' any day of the week...after they'd built the table first of course!


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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Tomorrow's headline: Former Air Force Brigadier General Commits Suicide

"Former Air Force Brigadier General, and local construction company owner was found with multiple gunshot wounds to the head, chest, and abdomen. The coroner has ruled the death a suicide. Child pornography found on his work computer during the investigation."

hahahaha...

Even that is becoming a routine method



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posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Identify this Spacecraft, it's not the Lunar Command Module:


www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
wms.lroc.asu.edu...

This is a Lunar Command Module:
en.wikipedia.org...


Here's a hint.....the SpaceCraft in the links above with the springy tail is connected to this:
www.youtube.com...

Drops little nukes the size of soda pop cans and uses the explosions for propulsion. Neat idea. Appears to have worked well. Must have been one hell of a ride. Damn Americans and their hotrods.....



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Okay I accept that the monolith on Phobos was new to me - so went searching the internet:

Wikkipedia
The Discovery


I include the second link as if this structure was man -made, we should be able to see tracks leading to the monolith where the rock has been excavated out and built?



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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I don't think it would be possible to travel into the past. There is too much room for paradoxes. Travelling into the future on the other hand, I think is a real possibility


Interesting, but too far off topic to really go into here.

I suspect Quantum Theory does allow for reverse time travel, avoiding paradoxes by the addition of a completely new dimension, without the causal effects of the paradoxical event being apparent.

Cheers.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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The planes you speak about are being slowly confirmed through the media. They fly at 20 times the speed of sound and are supposidly unmanned they are code named AURORA and heres some info:

When an RAF Chinook helicopter carrying almost all the senior intelligence officers working in Northern Ireland crashed into the Mull of Kintyre six years ago, pilot error was given as the official explanation of the disaster.

Since then, a number of people and especially UK IT mag Computer Weakly have continued to maintain that it was software in the on-board systems which led to the crash rather than human error.

But a third explanation for the crash has now come to light: that a top secret hypersonic US plane, codenamed Aurora and which is reportedly capable of flying at up to 20 times the speed of sound, created a massive jet wake into which the helicopter flew, causing the crew to lose control.
FULL STORY


Also the other plane I know of that recently crashed is called FALCON HTV-2 hypersonic info on this plane:
This is the second time the military program has failed to deliver a warhead anywhere on Earth in an hour. In April 2010, tracking stations lost contact with the aircraft after just nine minutes.

The project's goal is to create the fastest aircraft ever built, with the ability to fly anywhere in the world within an hour.

In order to hit this target the aircraft has to achieve speeds of 20,900 kph and endure temperatures in excess of 1,926 degrees Celsius.

FULL STORY

This is just the tip of the iceberg makes one think they have I.G.W (inter,galactic,web), imagine the info they recieve and share with other planets and also the info they steal from us from our very own .www



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by templar knight
Okay I accept that the monolith on Phobos was new to me - so went searching the internet:

Wikkipedia
The Discovery


I include the second link as if this structure was man -made, we should be able to see tracks leading to the monolith where the rock has been excavated out and built?


They might have used the old Native American trick of using a leafy tree branch to hide their footprints...then fired off a couple of shells as they lifted off, to make it look cratered...(i'm kidding btw)



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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I believe it.

That technology is from the NAZIs and that's why they wont disclose it to the people because we will demand it be shut down and there is no way that's gonna happen.

That's why he never said aliens, but that the technology is not ours. It's not. It's the NAZI's.

That's what I believe.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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To hit a target anywhere in the world in an hour, the craft would have to be capable of, as you say at least 12500mph...i doubt this would be instantly achieved from take of or launch, it would probably have to build up to it's full speed.

So 15000mph is probably closer to it's cruising speed to achieve it in an hour.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Thanks! I am a firm believer in your story and I appreciate your addition of information to the ATS world! There is so many things in this world that we can't even begin to comprehend and sadly will never know about. That's how the world goes on living their daily lives. Unfortunately, there are too many people that wouldn't be able to handle the truth rationally.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by theshepherd2

I don't think it would be possible to travel into the past. There is too much room for paradoxes. Travelling into the future on the other hand, I think is a real possibility


Very true. In fact, we are all traveling into the future, even as we speak. I just travelled ten seconds into the future while typing this.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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Quotes from text on uk bbc news said the second plane unmanned and in control by computer was flying at 18.700+ mph and spotted a problem on board and bailed into the sea.

also remember hearing about this new type of plane thats made of this metal when heated becomes lighter than helium and moves non stop with very little thrust given at take off, this is the stuff they tell us imagine what they got hidden away.

Maybe our leaders are conspiracy nuts like most off us and are really preping incase of an alien invasion that may never come.

better safe than sorry and why tell us we would go mad at the prospect of aliens even existing or our top brass even thinking about it. Never heard of the 4 P .PLAN&PREPERATION, PREVENTS, PANDEMONIUM



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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I never said I believed the story, but I do believe there are a lot of black ops, where is the oversight? Ya know, there must be some oversight or hidden factions that play that chess game.
I just felt like, if this were/is true, ah, the so-called protectors of democracy,blah,blah blah, should make it their business to know what the h is going on!



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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I don't know if you can gauge something like you think they look too young to be
telling you the truth. I know a 65 yr. old woman who doesn't look a day over 40,
just saying.



posted on Sep, 1 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Pervius
Identify this Spacecraft, it's not the Lunar Command Module:

Here's a hint.....the SpaceCraft in the links above with the springy tail is connected to this:
www.youtube.com...

Drops little nukes the size of soda pop cans and uses the explosions for propulsion. Neat idea. Appears to have worked well. Must have been one hell of a ride. Damn Americans and their hotrods.....


This is ridiculous, so they tested a bottle rocket with C4 explosives and it went up to the 30th floor of a skyscraper, WOW! You can't 'scale this up' with nuclear bombs for a manned or any spacecraft! Today's school system is in total disarray!




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