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Ron Paul Can't Win

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by sayiamu
reply to post by Kryties
 


Its a testament to his character and vision .... Christianity is a truly moral and ethical doctrine if it is applied....

Rick Perry can restore sorely needed order and moral compass....


Ya know what is funny to me about Rick Perry?

Every now and again I will listen to the Alex Jones show. Usually when I am bored and cleaning house and dont feel like listening to spinner.com. AJ made a comment that I chalked up to a "let's see how full of crap he is" type of thing. When Rick Perry announced he had no intention of running for President in 2012, Alex Jones made the claim that since Perry "pledged" that he would not run, is was an absolute certainty that he would run. He claimed that Perry has always broken every "pledge" he has made and this would be no different. So since Perry "pledged" that he would not run, you can take it to the bank that he would. Now here we are.... so much for his "pledge" huh?




posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by sayiamu
 


You must have missed my last two posts.

Can you tell us what issues you disagree with Ron Paul on and why he is taking the wrong stances on those issues?


Conversation with a Ron Paul hater:

"Ron Paul can't win!"
"Why?"
"Because his programs and platform are unsound!"
"How?"
"Have you seen them?!?!!?"
"Yes, how are they wrong for America?"
"...Ron Paul can't win!"

It is always this way, and it always will be. There is no discussion, only talking points. And they do love to hear themselves talk.

/TOA



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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I heard AJ repeatedly say Perry would run for president even though he pledged he wouldn't lol. Well, surprise surprise, guess what?



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Dr. Paul is the most competent and lucid candidate of either party.

He just wants his ideas,thoughts and beliefs heard by all intelligent Americans,and the national stage is the only place he can be heard.

Rick Perry used to be a Democrat!

He supported Al Gore for President.

He is a RINO and I personally believe his change of parties is just a wolf in sheeps clothing attempt to fool people.

This country does not need a former Governor or Senator as the leader.

It needs a common sense, rational, logical person and the man Is Ron Paul.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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It is always this way, and it always will be. There is no discussion, only talking points. And they do love to hear themselves talk.
Yeah I know, everytime somebody talks about how Ron Paul is not presidential material or how he can't win, I ask what issues they disagree with him on. 9 times out of 10 my post gets ignored, and even if I ask the question over and over again it still gets ignored.

The only reason that I can remember someone telling me is his stance on the Drug War..... :shk:

Then it's usually something like "One man can't do all of those things! Ron Paul is all talk!" or "He's unelectable, look at the polls!"

I bet the OPs source for this information is the mouth of Bill O Reilly and Ann Coulter.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by IamJustanAmerican
Dr. Paul is the most competent and lucid candidate of either party.

He just wants his ideas,thoughts and beliefs heard by all intelligent Americans,and the national stage is the only place he can be heard.

Rick Perry used to be a Democrat!

He supported Al Gore for President.

He is a RINO and I personally believe his change of parties is just a wolf in sheeps clothing attempt to fool people.

This country does not need a former Governor or Senator as the leader.

It needs a common sense, rational, logical person and the man Is Ron Paul.


What makes a dozen term House Rep. Any better?
Especially one that cannot compromise on ANYTHING.
I'm willing to give up halfway, how bout you?

ETA I get it he wants his ideas heard...guess what?
He's been on the national stage now for how many years?
Thought so.


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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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You forgot:

"Because he is a nut"
"Why is he a nut?"
"Because he wants people addicted to herion, hates blacks, is unconstitutional, and wants nuclear holocaust."
"Where did you hear that?"
" Fox, CNN, MSNBC"
"OK. My Bad."
This is where I eye role, and they respond, "See you think you know it all and wont listen to reason"


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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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to say that its ok for ANY of those terrorist states including Iran to have nuclear capability .. is irresponsible and alarming... I cant think of one American that will agree with that!

marry who you want to marry! keep us out of it ...



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by IamJustanAmerican
Dr. Paul is the most competent and lucid candidate of either party.

He just wants his ideas,thoughts and beliefs heard by all intelligent Americans,and the national stage is the only place he can be heard.

Rick Perry used to be a Democrat!

He supported Al Gore for President.

He is a RINO and I personally believe his change of parties is just a wolf in sheeps clothing attempt to fool people.

This country does not need a former Governor or Senator as the leader.

It needs a common sense, rational, logical person and the man Is Ron Paul.


What makes a dozen term House Rep. Any better?
Especially one that cannot compromise on ANYTHING.
I'm willing to give up halfway, how bout you?



What principles are you willing to compromise to get what you want? Dr. Paul is not unwilling. There just has been nothing to come across his desk that he is willing to give up his principles for. If a bill came along to legalize murder, he would vote against it.

Of course, then you Progressives would jump down his throat for abridging the rights of murderers.

/TOA



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by sayiamu
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to say that its ok for ANY of those terrorist states including Iran to have nuclear capability .. is irresponsible and alarming... I cant think of one American that will agree with that!

marry who you want to marry! keep us out of it ...


If Israel can have the bomba, why can't anyone within its striking distance?
It's called self defense.

I am American. And can think of more than one that agree.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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to say that its ok for ANY of those terrorist states including Iran to have nuclear capability .. is irresponsible and alarming... I cant think of one American that will agree with that!
.....I can think of one, Ron Paul....I can think of another, anybody who isn't brainwashed into believing whatever they hear coming out of a politicians/reporters mouth......
:shk:

The whole "Iran hazz nooks!" thing is just some more propaganda scare-tactics used to keep us in the Middle East.

They have nuclear weapons, that sounds awfully familiar. I vaguely remember going to war based on the claims that the country had nukes....hmmmm.....does that sound familiar to you? Being lied to about weapons in order to fight wars in the Middle East. Hmmm...what country am I thinking of, when were the American people lied to in order to enter a war..........IRAQ!

You're just eating up the santorum flavored propaganda coming out of Santorums santorum hole


And even if that information was 100% accurate, we aren't the police of the world who tell sovereign nations what they can and can't do. Mind your own business, nosey. Let's hear his opinion:
Care to refute his arguments?

"IRAN IZ BAD! No nukes for you!"
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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I am becoming increasingly convinced that ATS is the training ground for the nay-sayers of doctrine change.

Any candidate who challenges doctrine - most especially Dr. Paul in this round - is met with the most inane accusations and characterizations. It's like practice for them. The ad nauseum repetition of meme-generated statements like, 'loon,' 'un-electable,' 'unconstitutional,' and 'libertarian' are bandied about like fishing bobbles, hoping to find at least one nibble upon which they can rest their efforts. Even the oft-retired complaints about "career politicians" is resurfacing, because they can't come up with anything new to protest.

I find it patently humorous that they would complain that Paul is a career politician; when all along he was rejected as a viable candidate because he was too "out there" to make the corporate party feel comfortable that they weren't going to finally have to face up to their failings.

If you want a Madison Avenue/Hollywood candidate, vote for one..... if this is your first election... you may be forgiven for yielding to the allure of media productions and shadow puppetry... many fell for it last time.... and I don't blame them... "hope" and "change" are attractive buzzwords and easily marketed.

What isn't easily marketable is the idea that the social club embedded in the corporate political theater has got it wrong since they decided it was their place to 'tell us' how to vote. Pual has pointed out numerous times exactly what the 'status quo' is... an none can muster a reasonable counter to that because trying to deny it was an exercise in lying... (the few who tried faced the embarrassment of discovery.)


Personally,

I am no political consumer.... I am an American, and what has and hasn't worked is clearly evident; each candidate - save Paul - is offering the same strategy they always offer... trying to purport that because it's "them" at the wheel, it will work.... frankly, I'm tired of it. There is undeniable wisdom in the adage "Insanity is best defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time."

Paul gets my support, although I am not naive enough to believe that the corporate party won't attempt to corrupt and stifle every effort he makes to return us to the principles that most over 50 know was the the true model the United States was founded upon. (As for the younger, well, your primary education lacked much of what we were witness to - but that is a topic for a different thread.)

The political party system is diseased, it has been infected with what we were warned of by prior presidents. The 'status quo' is heavily caked with make up. Content of character is being 'sold' to us by people who have none.... as we can see by our apparent destination, economic and (to some degree) social ruin.

Some may well have died or faced political ruin for daring to enunciate the warning. Paul may be next in line for the shellacking of political pundits and paid talking heads... heck... it appears to be happening even here... although what possible purpose eludes me, this is not a representative community... most of us disagree on most things... we're just not grotesquely stupid about it.

We must eventually face, the task of balancing State sovereignty versus the ever increasing migration towards rulership by those who support the Federal paradigm of control. The overarching federal power is based, in large part, upon the reliance of the monetary policy that subjugates our country... as long as the federal government does not resist, it was reinforced by the self-serving captains of industry and global elite behind the banking cartel who impose that policy.

If any president were to assume Paul's position, could the States pick up the inevitable slack the corporate masters will engender - hoping we tangle ourselves up in a 'problem' that they can claim to be able, and willing, to 'solve'? Perhaps they will not simply engender the problem, perhaps they will create it.



Ron Paul must win; because he at least, among them all, he has uttered the correct analysis and challenge of the 'status quo' where all others simply roll their eyes and expect us to acquiesce to their idea of how things will be under their glitzy facade. As if good marketing was a measure of leadership.

In fact, I will go so far as to say not one single detractor of Ron Paul's candidacy will bring anything 'new' to the discussion at all... it will be the same "play book" it has always been. They dislike Ron Paul because he dares to assert that the existing playbook sucks, and we need to write our own; no matter how frightening that may be.

The assertion Ron Paul can't win is received by me as a desire ... not a statement of fact. If you don't want him to win, it will take more than simply saying he can't to make it so. (Of course this presupposes a fair an honest electoral process.) It will be the electoral college who decides, not us.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by IamJustanAmerican
Dr. Paul is the most competent and lucid candidate of either party.

He just wants his ideas,thoughts and beliefs heard by all intelligent Americans,and the national stage is the only place he can be heard.

Rick Perry used to be a Democrat!

He supported Al Gore for President.

He is a RINO and I personally believe his change of parties is just a wolf in sheeps clothing attempt to fool people.

This country does not need a former Governor or Senator as the leader.

It needs a common sense, rational, logical person and the man Is Ron Paul.


What makes a dozen term House Rep. Any better?
Especially one that cannot compromise on ANYTHING.
I'm willing to give up halfway, how bout you?



What principles are you willing to compromise to get what you want? Dr. Paul is not unwilling. There just has been nothing to come across his desk that he is willing to give up his principles for. If a bill came along to legalize murder, he would vote against it.

Of course, then you Progressives would jump down his throat for abridging the rights of murderers.

/TOA


I say meet halfway...you bring up murder AND call me some political hogwash.
I'm just bringing up the fact that the man has never ONCE TRIED TO COMPROMISE. No group can be happy all of the time, ever. But when one group screams and the rest have to listen, it ceases to be democracy even if you wave the us constitution.

ETA: do they train you for this kind of stuff, the whole deflection and focus, or what?
If so, you may have a great career in scientology...
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Meeting halfway is precisely what has gotten us in the mess that we are in. What we need is a radical shift in philosophy, like say, operating in the manner that our founders originally intended. Further, we have procedures in place to modify the constitution. These should be followed instead of disregarded at every turn.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by sayiamu
After hearing Ron Paul on Alex Jones today ...

my opinion is that there is no way he can win ...I am definitely backing Rick Perry from here on out ...

Paul's ideas and delivery are just too thin and lacking...


The OP and Kro32 are "cold and timid souls".

THE MAN IN THE ARENA
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

(Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic", delivered by Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910 ) link

I listened to the referenced interview as well, and Dr. Paul's comments were neither "thin nor lacking". Either the OP hoiestly has no idea of what constitutes "substance", is a completely uninformed moron or is a democrat is sheep's clothing.. After a review of the OP's prior posts, I'm leaning towards moron in sheep's clothing.

Perry is a dream opponent for Obama in 2012 as he so so deeply flawed on matters of integrity and policy. He's really Obama's best hope. Obama's only real competition is Ron Paul because Ron Paul is the real deal and has a thorough grasp of what the actual threats to our country are and isn't afraid to lay it all out honestly . Hence, both sides of the illusory left-right paradigm fear him. And, the media is just plain pathetic.

If anyone hasn't listened to the interview I would encourage them to do so. Alex Jones podcasts are available on iTunes and stream continually on his website. The interview was in the second hour.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by sayiamu
reply to post by TupacShakur
 


to say that its ok for ANY of those terrorist states including Iran to have nuclear capability .. is irresponsible and alarming... I cant think of one American that will agree with that!

marry who you want to marry! keep us out of it ...


Yes, terrorist states like America shouldn't have nuclear capability. When was it that you were going to march around D.C. with a placard reading "America: Terrorizing Sovereign Nations Since 1898"? Let me know where to meet you and I'll march, too.

/TOA



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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.I am definitely backing Rick Perry from here



TX Gov. Rick Perry Attends Bilderberg in Istanbul, 2007
You better Not


Rick Perry is a nut job a war monger and a Bilderberg Attendee of 2007.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Paul's ideas and delivery are just too thin and lacking...


Perhaps your education and common sense are just too thin and lacking.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by notquitesure
reply to post by the owlbear
 


Meeting halfway is precisely what has gotten us in the mess that we are in. What we need is a radical shift in philosophy, like say, operating in the manner that our founders originally intended. Further, we have procedures in place to modify the constitution. These should be followed instead of disregarded at every turn.


In other words, YOUR WAY OR ELSE!!!
Others have followed that same path since Babylonian days...
What if I don't agree with you? I have two kids, young kids, gonna shoot me?
I say let's find some middle ground, you dig your heels in and say that's what the founding fathers wanted.
Guess what they wanted...they were all rich white guys...not one or two...ALL OF THEM...they wanted more money more control over it. Greed. They aren't the nice portraits you see in school textbooks. Hell, Washington would have sold out the country, but they couldn't agree on a figure...



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by IamJustanAmerican
Dr. Paul is the most competent and lucid candidate of either party.

He just wants his ideas,thoughts and beliefs heard by all intelligent Americans,and the national stage is the only place he can be heard.

Rick Perry used to be a Democrat!

He supported Al Gore for President.

He is a RINO and I personally believe his change of parties is just a wolf in sheeps clothing attempt to fool people.

This country does not need a former Governor or Senator as the leader.

It needs a common sense, rational, logical person and the man Is Ron Paul.


What makes a dozen term House Rep. Any better?
Especially one that cannot compromise on ANYTHING.
I'm willing to give up halfway, how bout you?



What principles are you willing to compromise to get what you want? Dr. Paul is not unwilling. There just has been nothing to come across his desk that he is willing to give up his principles for. If a bill came along to legalize murder, he would vote against it.

Of course, then you Progressives would jump down his throat for abridging the rights of murderers.

/TOA


I feel I need to further explain. I am willing to compromise and listen to the other side of any argument. I do not get paid for it. Ron Paul is paid to try to pass legislation for this country. He doesn't even try to compromise and many of his supporters point this out as a strength. I disagree.

He can't even get 2/3 of congress to approve anything he's ever done in how many years?

We are talking stalemate and veto and override like never before, and all you Paulites aren't going to like it, but if you follow your man, you will NEVER bend ever. And guess where this great country will be?
Hope you like canned tuna, if you're not a millionaire. If not, Reagan always said ketchup was a good substitute vegetable for the poor...




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