I see several post with wise remarks regarding this or people trying to discount this,all I can say wait till you experiance it,then I'd like to see
your comments,I too was skeptical,but facts don't lie
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reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 08:05 AM by Marrakesh
reply to post by Taupin Desciple
Your post mirrors my beliefs and questions about the afterlife perfectly. Very insightful, and something I think about often. Not morbidly, just when I’m questioning the meaning of it all. I was raised Roman Catholic, but I’ve always questioned the teachings they forced and the rigidity and structure of their worship. Your take on Jesus is certainly interesting, one that doesn’t surprise me given the extraordinary talents he is reported to possess. I respect that, and I like that you’ve given me another avenue to ponder.
For what it’s worth, my personal belief has always been that he was a man. A charismatic, compassionate and very kind man. By way of Chinese whispers, the stories have been passed down, translated, exaggerated, taken out of context, or amended by the Church for their own agenda (allegedly). However, the man/entity that was Jesus still inspires me to be a better person and treat people how I wish to be treated, so does that lessen or diminish my faith in any way?
And you’re right – exactly WHAT has changed in the last 2,000 years? Not a lot. We DON’T know what happens when we die, because scientifically speaking, no one has lived through it (obviously) to report back. Sure, there have been many reports of bright lights and a sense of peace but medical professionals rationalise this as the brain being deprived of oxygen. So many different scenarios and still no one knows, and yes, we fight wars and we end lives and we blow each other up because of our religious beliefs. If there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipotent God, is that what he’d want??
I love that threads like this inspire you to open you mind, and on a personal level, it helps put all my current little life dramas into perspective.
Your post mirrors my beliefs and questions about the afterlife perfectly. Very insightful, and something I think about often. Not morbidly, just when I’m questioning the meaning of it all. I was raised Roman Catholic, but I’ve always questioned the teachings they forced and the rigidity and structure of their worship. Your take on Jesus is certainly interesting, one that doesn’t surprise me given the extraordinary talents he is reported to possess. I respect that, and I like that you’ve given me another avenue to ponder.
For what it’s worth, my personal belief has always been that he was a man. A charismatic, compassionate and very kind man. By way of Chinese whispers, the stories have been passed down, translated, exaggerated, taken out of context, or amended by the Church for their own agenda (allegedly). However, the man/entity that was Jesus still inspires me to be a better person and treat people how I wish to be treated, so does that lessen or diminish my faith in any way?
And you’re right – exactly WHAT has changed in the last 2,000 years? Not a lot. We DON’T know what happens when we die, because scientifically speaking, no one has lived through it (obviously) to report back. Sure, there have been many reports of bright lights and a sense of peace but medical professionals rationalise this as the brain being deprived of oxygen. So many different scenarios and still no one knows, and yes, we fight wars and we end lives and we blow each other up because of our religious beliefs. If there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, omnipotent God, is that what he’d want??
I love that threads like this inspire you to open you mind, and on a personal level, it helps put all my current little life dramas into perspective.
reply posted on 1-9-2011 @ 09:51 AM by CherryV
reply to post by petrus4
Yes, I agree it does have consistency with similar accounts, and I am not doubting any inconsistences at all, just stating that he is an actor (and a very good one), and if he had been just a regular Joe Bloggs, like the similar account from someones personal experience on this thread too...then I would find it easier to believe 100%
Yes, I agree it does have consistency with similar accounts, and I am not doubting any inconsistences at all, just stating that he is an actor (and a very good one), and if he had been just a regular Joe Bloggs, like the similar account from someones personal experience on this thread too...then I would find it easier to believe 100%
reply posted on 2-9-2011 @ 04:29 PM by BananaFarmer
reply to post by iwan2ski
Wow!! Really great story, thank you for sharing this experience. It is so unique compared to everyone elses responses that debates the ongoing issue of Hell existing.
I think your story is exciting and interests me to hopefully come across more similar ones.
Wow!! Really great story, thank you for sharing this experience. It is so unique compared to everyone elses responses that debates the ongoing issue of Hell existing.
I think your story is exciting and interests me to hopefully come across more similar ones.
reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 01:40 AM by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by Pocky
Oh man spooky story. Death comes to all and to all a good night.
But karma however can be a real bitch. But they only get one call, and only for a certain amount of time, he should not have overextended his minutes, that is a no no. The call however does not matter its just there for show.
Anyways its always better to be more on the cautious side in what you put out in this world and existence, because it will come back eventually to haunt you. Reality reflects your actions and deeds, and even your words, because its like the nutters say, collectively everybody creates there realities both individually and on mass, both here in this world we call earth and in other worlds.
People don't get it but this world is in a transition and has been for a long time, and it could go in many, many, ways and outcomes, but the basic is heaven or hell, and anyplace and everyplace in-between those two places.
Oh man spooky story. Death comes to all and to all a good night.
But karma however can be a real bitch. But they only get one call, and only for a certain amount of time, he should not have overextended his minutes, that is a no no. The call however does not matter its just there for show.
Anyways its always better to be more on the cautious side in what you put out in this world and existence, because it will come back eventually to haunt you. Reality reflects your actions and deeds, and even your words, because its like the nutters say, collectively everybody creates there realities both individually and on mass, both here in this world we call earth and in other worlds.
People don't get it but this world is in a transition and has been for a long time, and it could go in many, many, ways and outcomes, but the basic is heaven or hell, and anyplace and everyplace in-between those two places.
reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 02:09 AM by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by windword
That is simple because as above and so below, George Bush became president because he really represents the great majority that voted for him,
he represents a lot of the masses and therefore he is there president.
So you see they all got what they wanted and what they deserved, and the same can be said with the rest of them old Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, or pretty much any and all of them. As above and so bellow they really do represent those bellow them on the lower rungs. So I suppose its like George Carlin said garbage in garbage out.
And they say that god made man in his image, so what can you really expect from god, if we were made in his image and were all flawed, then god or the gods would be as flawed as us, only on more godly levels.
There you go showing how one is not necessarily that much better then the other. Really dick Cheney is not that much different then any other Joe Schmo out there, if you were to take a random person and put them in Cheney place they would in all likelihood do the same as Cheney did.
So basically you want god to create 10,000 wars and 10,000 ravaged starved babies all to punish one duchebag...If I was god I to would be like 'Screw you fools, I am going fishing, you all do as you will, and pay for you actions with your own consequences"
Here is a better idea, punish him for whatever crimes he did here and now, and shut up about it.
Its you world and your heaven or hell, all a consequence of you actions and deeds. Hell is a place you end up at, its not a place most plan on going or visiting on there vacation.
What your seeing is a created god, created from flawed aspects of a flawed creature, in a flawed world. Your not seeing GOD, your just seeing humanity and all of what it created. And it created a god to put the blame on.
I want to believe that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld will be punished in hell, but logic tells me that won't happen. I'm not sure I even believe in karma, really. I mean, "as above so below" right? Then above must be pretty corrupt, because the "above" here on earth sure don't experience bad karma. If there was such a thing as karma, how did George Bush become president?
That is simple because as above and so below, George Bush became president because he really represents the great majority that voted for him,
he represents a lot of the masses and therefore he is there president. So you see they all got what they wanted and what they deserved, and the same can be said with the rest of them old Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, or pretty much any and all of them. As above and so bellow they really do represent those bellow them on the lower rungs. So I suppose its like George Carlin said garbage in garbage out.
And they say that god made man in his image, so what can you really expect from god, if we were made in his image and were all flawed, then god or the gods would be as flawed as us, only on more godly levels.
I would like to believe that someone as powerful and controlling as Dick Cheney could probable handle being reincarnated into more than one body. I would like to see his soul reincarnated into 10,000 war ravaged, starving babies. If there is a god, please let this happen!
There you go showing how one is not necessarily that much better then the other. Really dick Cheney is not that much different then any other Joe Schmo out there, if you were to take a random person and put them in Cheney place they would in all likelihood do the same as Cheney did.
So basically you want god to create 10,000 wars and 10,000 ravaged starved babies all to punish one duchebag...If I was god I to would be like 'Screw you fools, I am going fishing, you all do as you will, and pay for you actions with your own consequences"
Here is a better idea, punish him for whatever crimes he did here and now, and shut up about it.
That makes no sense to me. Why would a loving caring person, who is the personifacation of god, be so conniving with his gift? We learn from trial and error, why would hell become the result of an error?
Its you world and your heaven or hell, all a consequence of you actions and deeds. Hell is a place you end up at, its not a place most plan on going or visiting on there vacation.
Seems to me that this Judeo Christian god is a bit of psychopath and not worthy of mine or anyones admiration, and must be a fraud.
What your seeing is a created god, created from flawed aspects of a flawed creature, in a flawed world. Your not seeing GOD, your just seeing humanity and all of what it created. And it created a god to put the blame on.
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reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 02:26 AM by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by b3l13v3
It does not, it mostly corresponds to this world and humanity.
Because no man is an island nor does he live on a island by himself, so what is good for one might be bad for another. And so you have a conundrum, because no matter what religion or governments say there is no such thing as good for all, or bad for all.
I don't understand how this all corresponds with the concept of a all knowing god...
It does not, it mostly corresponds to this world and humanity.
The real question is why do you need anyone besides yourself to determine if you're a good or bad person.
Because no man is an island nor does he live on a island by himself, so what is good for one might be bad for another. And so you have a conundrum, because no matter what religion or governments say there is no such thing as good for all, or bad for all.
reply posted on 3-9-2011 @ 04:17 AM by njl51
reply to post by simone50m
It is a mystery for sure but the idea is to accept the truth even if it's not the way you'd have things if you
could. You are being informed right now so you cannot say you never knew. I think if I get the idea of how it is
that we do belong to God but when we turn away he can do nothing to get us out of hell since we then belong
to the devil. Scary thought for sure. We are given free will and he'd not make us worship him here on this
earth. There are too many stories similar to this for there not to be something to it. I think one main idea here
is that even if you are a believer, there is danger in becoming big headed so to speak..we cannot earn our
way into heaven..it is a gift. We should love others enough to warn them.
It is a mystery for sure but the idea is to accept the truth even if it's not the way you'd have things if you
could. You are being informed right now so you cannot say you never knew. I think if I get the idea of how it is
that we do belong to God but when we turn away he can do nothing to get us out of hell since we then belong
to the devil. Scary thought for sure. We are given free will and he'd not make us worship him here on this
earth. There are too many stories similar to this for there not to be something to it. I think one main idea here
is that even if you are a believer, there is danger in becoming big headed so to speak..we cannot earn our
way into heaven..it is a gift. We should love others enough to warn them.
reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 03:19 AM by TUERD
reply to post by Pocky
The guy is a professional actor.. He says it's not a story he tells people all the time and he's very careful about who he tells this story to, yet he's broadcasting it on the internet..
Judging by the language used ("Roaring fireplace,BBQ pit) and imagery in the video when describing his deceased friends situation during the phone call, I can't help but wonder if his agenda is to perpetuate the idea of some mainstream religions that there is a place of eternal torment after death..
The guy is a professional actor.. He says it's not a story he tells people all the time and he's very careful about who he tells this story to, yet he's broadcasting it on the internet..
Judging by the language used ("Roaring fireplace,BBQ pit) and imagery in the video when describing his deceased friends situation during the phone call, I can't help but wonder if his agenda is to perpetuate the idea of some mainstream religions that there is a place of eternal torment after death..
reply posted on 4-9-2011 @ 05:17 PM by The X
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
Remember Jesus saying call no man master?, do not worship graven images?, and the Vatican has said 14 parts of the bible are as much as outright lies, they fail to say what parts.
The Churches articles of faith are you placing the spiritual shackles on your own legs, without those articles you still have a religion but you are free of all the "Human" Dogma, you think Jesus would be happy with the modern church?, it is still the house of money changers and is now one of the richest and most powerful entities on the planet, who (by the way) is mentioned in the bible as being the very antithesis of spiritual love and compassion.
Possibly even being a centre of Black Magic and satanism.
Worship god in your heart and soul as the all encompassing "Is being Love", live your life with that at the fore front of your mind, listen for gods voice within your heart, when you don;t hear it or feel it know you are in trouble.
Jesus said that reincarnation is a way of life, Did hell exist before the religious works were written?, why is it christianity that makes this spiritual "Threat?".
It's because christianity as we know it is a mis-appropriated religious fraud that worships upon graven images made of wood and clay (specifically they were mentioned as no no's in the bible Do not make images out of the wood that you would burn to cook your food, do not make images to worship from the clay you would make your bowls to eat and drink from), you do not need visual reminders of what you should find within your heart naturally.
Wooden crosses with china clay avatars on them are not the spirit of god, jesus also said to stay away from churches and to make your daily life your words and actions your religious practice.
Why do you feel you need to go and get on your knees and say sorry for your sins?.
People who do that are those who continue to sin and use the church as an excuse to say sorry and continue being bad people thinking that it doesn't matter because they got to church.
You think confession actually means something? a problem shared is a problem halved i agree, but how does a man saying "God forgives you" help you with your spiritual growth?.
God does not forgive those who do not make an avowed heartfelt commitment to change the way they are for the better, he has a long memory to, its perfect in fact.
Look at what the mis-apropriation of spiritual love has done, it has made one church think it has the right to place gods representative on earth at the exclusion of the realisation that we are all gods true representatives.
Do you think the biggest bunch of cowards their are, those that currently hold the balance of power would be so spiritually backwards to be beating a path to "Hell" with every negative thought and action they can dream of?.
They are the way they are because they have access to the truth, think about that.
A policewoman in the UK a few years ago had a NDE she said she was grabbed by a gang of "Dwarves" and dragged underground, she had a terrifying experience, more real than anything she had ever experienced whilst "alive".
She was told it was because she had spent her life putting people in prison, she survived and the first thing she did was quit her job and became more spiritual, she advised other members of the police to stop the job.
This i believe, her experience that she recounted rang bells, people the world over have had psychic experiences of being taken underground by dwarves, in some cases their limbs were hacked off and the body "rearranged", (shamans in particular report this), your physical body does not exist at this point, your consciousness exists in a state that is far more pure than you ever were while here.
Your Physical presence in these realms is an illusion, Buddhists say "Illusion cannot hurt illusion" but while you are experiencing it, i can imagine it would seem very real.
Your psyche will have some sort of "bio-etheric" memory of all your past lives, and possibly even an understanding that everything is as it is meant to be and the reasons why it is.
This will feel incredibly alien to you as you have spent the last span of life cocooned in a shell you recognise and fearing the unknown here will be incredibly intense, you could end up creating your own hell, this is what religion is about.
Creating a living feeling within you that your spiritual purity will protect you and it is a feeling from within, the Tibetan book of living and dying (sogyul rinpoche 1998?) states, "If you know you are dying in the last two weeks of your life practice your religion, and you must do it in such a way that you make yourself feel like you have been doing it everyday all your life", this is so that when you transfer to the illusory realm the essence of spirituality you take is strong in your mind, this is protection. Going unprepared it will be hellish.
Remember Jesus saying call no man master?, do not worship graven images?, and the Vatican has said 14 parts of the bible are as much as outright lies, they fail to say what parts.
The Churches articles of faith are you placing the spiritual shackles on your own legs, without those articles you still have a religion but you are free of all the "Human" Dogma, you think Jesus would be happy with the modern church?, it is still the house of money changers and is now one of the richest and most powerful entities on the planet, who (by the way) is mentioned in the bible as being the very antithesis of spiritual love and compassion.
Possibly even being a centre of Black Magic and satanism.
Worship god in your heart and soul as the all encompassing "Is being Love", live your life with that at the fore front of your mind, listen for gods voice within your heart, when you don;t hear it or feel it know you are in trouble.
Jesus said that reincarnation is a way of life, Did hell exist before the religious works were written?, why is it christianity that makes this spiritual "Threat?".
It's because christianity as we know it is a mis-appropriated religious fraud that worships upon graven images made of wood and clay (specifically they were mentioned as no no's in the bible Do not make images out of the wood that you would burn to cook your food, do not make images to worship from the clay you would make your bowls to eat and drink from), you do not need visual reminders of what you should find within your heart naturally.
Wooden crosses with china clay avatars on them are not the spirit of god, jesus also said to stay away from churches and to make your daily life your words and actions your religious practice.
Why do you feel you need to go and get on your knees and say sorry for your sins?.
People who do that are those who continue to sin and use the church as an excuse to say sorry and continue being bad people thinking that it doesn't matter because they got to church.
You think confession actually means something? a problem shared is a problem halved i agree, but how does a man saying "God forgives you" help you with your spiritual growth?.
God does not forgive those who do not make an avowed heartfelt commitment to change the way they are for the better, he has a long memory to, its perfect in fact.
Look at what the mis-apropriation of spiritual love has done, it has made one church think it has the right to place gods representative on earth at the exclusion of the realisation that we are all gods true representatives.
Do you think the biggest bunch of cowards their are, those that currently hold the balance of power would be so spiritually backwards to be beating a path to "Hell" with every negative thought and action they can dream of?.
They are the way they are because they have access to the truth, think about that.
A policewoman in the UK a few years ago had a NDE she said she was grabbed by a gang of "Dwarves" and dragged underground, she had a terrifying experience, more real than anything she had ever experienced whilst "alive".
She was told it was because she had spent her life putting people in prison, she survived and the first thing she did was quit her job and became more spiritual, she advised other members of the police to stop the job.
This i believe, her experience that she recounted rang bells, people the world over have had psychic experiences of being taken underground by dwarves, in some cases their limbs were hacked off and the body "rearranged", (shamans in particular report this), your physical body does not exist at this point, your consciousness exists in a state that is far more pure than you ever were while here.
Your Physical presence in these realms is an illusion, Buddhists say "Illusion cannot hurt illusion" but while you are experiencing it, i can imagine it would seem very real.
Your psyche will have some sort of "bio-etheric" memory of all your past lives, and possibly even an understanding that everything is as it is meant to be and the reasons why it is.
This will feel incredibly alien to you as you have spent the last span of life cocooned in a shell you recognise and fearing the unknown here will be incredibly intense, you could end up creating your own hell, this is what religion is about.
Creating a living feeling within you that your spiritual purity will protect you and it is a feeling from within, the Tibetan book of living and dying (sogyul rinpoche 1998?) states, "If you know you are dying in the last two weeks of your life practice your religion, and you must do it in such a way that you make yourself feel like you have been doing it everyday all your life", this is so that when you transfer to the illusory realm the essence of spirituality you take is strong in your mind, this is protection. Going unprepared it will be hellish.
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