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Secret Recording: 9/11 Effects Wearing Off, Need Another Attack - Rumsfeld

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 01:51 AM
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I wish people would stop saying this "isn't evidence of an inside job" because you're too busy dwelling on that (which is still debatable, yet I digress) to realize the point is that whatever the ideal scene is for this group of people Rumsfeld is speaking for, it's bolstered by Americans dying violently. Whether or not you believe 9/11 was an inside job is not the point. You're still not allowing yourself to answer the question of what agenda would benefit from something like 9/11.

Digressing completely, what tapes? What source? How are we expected to take this at face value without questioning whether or not it's spam email propaganda?




posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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I think threads like this get the stars and the flags but not so many replies because people really just don't know what to say. We are dumbfounded. You kind of fear the world really is operating like this with these people in charge but you chase the notion away like ghosts in a closet. You must be imagining them and they are not really there. Reality plays some awful tricks on us doesn't it? Unfortunately Rumsfeld and people like him with an agenda like his are a part of our reality. We should change this.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by Plan2exist18
Forgive me.....but is he not correct?

I disagree he is saying anything about 9/11 being an inside job...but can you not agree that we were more united on 9/12/01 than we ever were. It really is pathetic that a reality exists where the only way we can put our differences aside and work together must come in the wake of millions of American's deaths.

As horrible as it is to contemplate, people start to wake up when theres victims. False flags like busting bombers in Times Square and on Aircrafts only show we maintain some control of our security, people only start to get the importance of it when they see people die.


This entire post makes me sick. I'll just take time for one twisted argument you presented.


put our differences aside and work together


We didn't work together, we realized our fragile reality could come crumbling down. I saw the lines at the gas stations, we were not working together on 9/12.

Working together, you mean like with Katrina? How about the banksters looting of the stock market in 2008 after the banks sold fraudulant loans so many times nobody even knew where to collect the money? Is this the working together your referring to? Working together to molest the general populace of America? Working together to fight wars that nobody seems to have any answers of why we are fighting them?

Ball is in your court.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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Could we expect a train bombing? A lot of films lately have been showing "train bombings" by "anti government" perpetrators!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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The dead give away here are the words "This president is a vicim of his success..."

Why Victim? Becasue he no longer has the support of the people? According to Rumsy it's because they have been too successfull in preventing terror. And so their plans to wage war on this manufactured enimy is unsupported as the "enimy" has been too quiet lately.

Victim - becasue he can't wage the wars he ant to wage.

Victim of a lack of terrist activity in the west. That is what he iis saying.

So to help the guy out, what do we need? We need another attack.

Guess we know what is coming, ladies and gentlmen



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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Forgive me.....but is he not correct?


Should the citizens of any country have to live with the fear of catastrophic terror attacks in the back of their minds all the time? Is it our government's duty to ensure that this threat stays alive and thriving in our country indefinitely? I guess I missed that part in The Constitution. Apparently, when our Forefathers were putting our government's responsibilities down on paper, they overlooked that one.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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I am no fan fo Rumsfeld, and am open to the hypothesis of government manipulation in all kinds of nasty ways.... but this is just NOT evidence of any strength to those!!

I do not hear him suggesting that a terrorist attack should be put into action by the US upon it's people! It sounds like he really does believe that there IS a threat, very real, from outside forces, and that the people sense of security is false and leaves them vulnerable. He points out the obvious- that when one does happen, they will become more aware- and the people don't understand that waiting until that terrible wake up call comes is horrendous, considering the "carnage" and damage it would cause. I hear no suggestion that the US do that attack themselves.

The topic could still be debated on whether awareness of terrorist threat is a good or bad thing (does it only stimulate fearful emotion and lack of reasoning ability and judgement? Does it stimulate rational and couragious defense preparations?)

I think there IS a very real threat. Especially in bio-warfare, or EMP. I would almost say it is inevitable....almost.
But when I observe that many, many people get deeply scared at the idea of this prospect and panicky...... instead of keeping their head on their shoulders, continuing dealing with day to day life while calmly informing themselves and preparing themselves in case......

I tend to think that the only thing that could be done is to have only part of the people or the government "in the know" and trying to prepare, and trying to make arrangements to shelter, feed and care for the ones that can't handle knowing beforehand and will be surprised.

As much as people here hate the idea of being kept in the dark, really, look around you at the biggest part of the population, how they react to things, and ask yourself- if you were in a position of responsibility and power over so many like that, would YOU choose to let them in on it if you really felt there was a risk?

Would you feel a frustrating conflict between wanting them to be aware, alert, and less vulnerable,
and not wanting them to lose their heads in fear, probably creating even more dangers to themselves?

I know I would.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Your entire reply is filled with fear. You're not fear mongering, you're actually showing how fearful you are.

I don't mean to be rude but I honestly disagree with everything you said. We don't need more fear, we don't need more wars. It doesn't have to be like this.

Life is pretty scary when it's in the hands of others. Our lives are a mere drop of water in the ocean of our masters. Learn what you can but never be scared, you have an expiration date =)



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 03:50 AM
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This didn't sound as incriminating as I thought it would be by reading the title and your initial comments. I suppose it could mean what you imply, but it sounds more like he is simply stating that there really is a great threat to the country, and that people aren't taking it seriously. It was strange that he said "when" instead if "if" though.

Did you see the comment below the video where the poster does the numerology for the dates, stating that the next likely attack is tomorrow, September 1, 2011? We won't have to wait long to see I suppose.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by imeddieone4202003

Who feels we "Need" another terrorist attack? Donald Rumsfeld does!


These secret tapes were being withheld from the public but were eventually released after a freedom of information act battle. Rumsfeld is recorded saying that the public perception of a terrorist attack is so low, and the effects of 9/11 are wearing off over time, so they "Need another attack" to successfully restore their political agenda. He goes on to say that "when" we have another attack and notice he doesnt say "if" we have another attack. And when he talks about the "carnage" terror attacks can create he appears to be laughing!! Please listen and understand that these warmongers are constantly out for blood.

The video is only a few minutes long and watch til the end where you get to hear the actual recordings.

Video Source



don't get me wrong... although there's no "strong evidence" I tend to believe that at least the official narrative on 9/11 is utterly false, I'd plea for a careful interpretation of the statements made in the video. Rumsfeld correctly assumes that "another attack" would change the way people feel about terrorism, in favor of neo-cons agendas. However, this doesn't mean that he says "let's stage another attack".



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 04:19 AM
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I don't think it proves that 9/11 is an inside job.

BUT. As someone already posted, that is not the point of this thread.

Just listen to how these neo-con mother#ers openly think?
Yes, we need another attack where innocent people die, so that they will blindly let us
infringe on their rights!

"The threat is so massive" or whatever he says...
Right, so there hasn't been an "attack" in 10 years, where in the initial attack some 3000 people (less than 1,00,000th of a percent) of the US population dies.... right, that's a massive threat! What about tobacco companies, big pharma, the ongoing war on drugs? Aren't those a much bigger threat to humanity and precious lives.

Just sickening.

And maybe, if there weren't that many wars out there, the US would have a better chance guarding their soil with more troops home than aborad?
edit on 31/8/11 by TeroK because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:21 AM
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isn't he suggesting it because of the dangers of the REAL threat tho?

the message here feels taken out of context to promote conspiracy.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:34 AM
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Rumy is a tool. So the song fit well with the video.

The day is coming



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by litterbaux
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Your entire reply is filled with fear. You're not fear mongering, you're actually showing how fearful you are.

I don't mean to be rude but I honestly disagree with everything you said. We don't need more fear, we don't need more wars. It doesn't have to be like this.

Life is pretty scary when it's in the hands of others. Our lives are a mere drop of water in the ocean of our masters. Learn what you can but never be scared, you have an expiration date =)


I don't feel scared at all- perhaps you are picking up your own feelings in response to the statements made- like about terrorist attacks being very likely?

My position, if you read it again, was that limiting growth of fear, through keeping the general public ignorant of potential threats, is probably the best option.

I didn't hesitate to speak of such threats here because it is ATS- supposedly where people who can remain rational and consider such possibilities pragmatically, gather. If these ideas scare you, you should not frequent such sites, don't you think? (You can do as you wish, not telling you what to do- just making a suggestion based on common sense).

I do not have an expiration date LOL!! My clothes do, they eventually fall apart and rot, as does my present recepticle, and not only must I get new ones sometimes, create new styles and forms of recepticles to experience being in, but I like the change!

Sometimes, as hard as it is, one must clean out their closet. But you are always happy you did it afterwards!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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The guy is terrible. That being said, I listened to the video and don't think it has anything to do with an admission that 911 was an inside job. I think he is simply saying that people are getting complacent and the threat of terrorism is real and can happen.


your opinion is correct and anyone who actually watched the entire video will see the context in which the questionable statements are made.

Basically, Rummy is upset because the American population simply doesn't appreciate the threat of terrorism. He's saying that as we move further away from 911, without any attacks on US soil, people become complacent and don't understand the thread. Then he goes on to say the correction for that (the lack of appreciation of the danger) is another attack.

So, sorry, he's not admitting 911 was an inside job, and he's not lamenting for another attack, he's saying how sad it is that only another attack will bring people in line with the danger he sees.

That being said, your odds of being killed by a terrorist attack are the same now as they were before 911, extremely remote, you'd probably have a better chance of winning the lottery twice while being struck by lightning.

My opinion on 911 is clear for anyone to see in various threads and there's no real need to take this thread down that path beating a dead horse once again.

BUT.....

The quotes and such are being taken out of context and construed into something they aren't.

You've got to understand, Rummy actually BELIEVES his BS, he actually BELIEVES that there are, right now, millions of blood thirsty terrorists waiting to murder your family, and that they are planted all over the US just waiting for the kill signal.

In his mind, the world is different, this is the "new normal" and he's shocked and upset that the mass population isn't towing the line. He believes there is a very real and present danger, and that it's being marginalized and ignored.

Which in itself is a load of crap as terror is always present in every news cast, always.

The Ops thread title is kind of accurate.

The FEAR instilled in people on 911 has warn off and people are starting to think clearly again and not only asking questions about the attack itself, but asking questions about the direction the country, and world, has taken, the patriot act, etc etc.

Only another brutal, live on tv, attack on US soil will bring that fear back, and it has to be massive.

Is he actually wishing for this attack? Doubtful.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Booooo,

Misleading thread title


In the recording he, in no way, sounds as if he's talking about another attack hapening or that he had any inside knowledge of 9/11. He's just stating the facts about the effect terrorist attacks have on the population over time. Good find though.

Peace out



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Nowhere near convincing enough for me, and I'm a true believer in this stuff.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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I hear clicking in the background. Fotocameras? Could this secret tape be from a press conference?



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Universer
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So, in other words, he's not suggesting orchestrating a false flag (nod nod wink wink) but only harmlessly suggesting that if a terrorist attack should happen and cause a lot of carnage (LOL! Because that's hilarious, right?) it would be a very good thing. A very good thing indeed.

What a disturbed human being. Using the term loosely.

S&F


Exactly...

Listen to how this scum# talks...trying to mask his true intention behind jargon speak and not being completely blunt about what he really means.

At least it seems that way. Regardless, lets think about this, if this guy truly had respect and cared for the American people, OR people in general for that matter, why propose that having another terror attack that would destroy many peoples lives be a "good" thing to reawaken some frenzied mob like behavior in the masses where they are easily controlled?

This is #ing disgusting...I hope you all realize that.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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You're an idiot for trying to make something out of this.



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