Hillary Clinton off to Paris to discuss Libya's future

reply to post by kro32


True. But at what point does it end? The aid for help vs the greed of the country helping itself I mean. That I suppose is the tough question.

Yeah its hard to present any kind of info on this subject. The MSM is a minefield with dis-info and most people feel that until the MSM reports something it is in the realm of conspiracy fantasy. But its really not that hard to confirm the reports of 1.5+ million people gathered to tell NATO to piss off. That actually happened, but if the majority of the country can't convince NATO to leave them alone, then we have moved from the position of aid into something completely different. At this point its hard to say what exactly.

For the record I agree with you that it is in a countries best interest to look out for its interests both at home and abroad, I just feel it stops when it goes on to trample others' rights. Yeah I'm somewhere between Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama, so what? haha

-Lightrule

Originally posted by ALF88
And you are ignoring the very fact that it was your government who gave those WMDs to him. Using them on the Kurds was a crime, but so was providing him with the gas and other weapons. One should think the US has learned from its mistakes in the past, but it is pretty obvious that you didn't.

Figured that's about all you knew. When you step down off your high horse you may want to take a gander. There was plenty of blame to go around.

Iraq's Chemical Weapons Program suppliers by country

• Singapore
  
• Brazil
  
• India
  
• Germany
  
• Spain
  
• Belgium
  
• Netherlands
  
• China
  
• France
  
• Britain
  
• United States of America
  

Soiurce

Linky here

In the late 1970's, it was actually the German firm 'Karl Kobe' that sold Iraq the ingredients for it's first chemical weapons. Karl Kobe and others sold Iraq over 1,027 tons of the chemicals needed to produce mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and various tear gasses including CS and CN. The chemical weapons program was operational by late 1983/early 1984.

The United States CDC (Center for Disease Control) provided Iraq with biological samples up until 1989 for "Medical research and other purposes". The US supplied anthrax, West Nile virus, botulism, and Brucella melitensis to Iraq for little or no charge.

The United Kingdom paid, in full, for the Iraqi chlorine plant where mustard gas was manufactured. Brazil provided around 100 tons of mustard gas in the early 80's before the British funded plant was up and running. Singapore and India provided the ingredients for VX nerve agent and yet still more Tabun.

Egypt and Spain both provided the majority of Iraq's munitions that were designed to carry and disperse the chemical weapons. In 1984, a CIA leak reported to the Washington Post that the CIA was providing intel to the Iraqis, including the targeting information and coordinates where Iraq used it's chemical weapons against Iran.

Whom exactly empowers Hillary Clinton? Anyone? Whose interests does she represent?
Oh, yes, I know, the CFR. The international corporate crime syndicate.
The line has been drawn in the sand. Hillary is on the side of the ICCS, the International Corporate Crime Syndicate.
Which side are you on?
Me? I wouldn't piss on Hillary if she was on fire. Burn, bitch.

Originally posted by kro32
Why shouldn't we have bases in Libya? Makes it easier to deal with conflicts in the region and last time I checked Libya wasn't a superpower.

America is.

Then that wold make easier for ameirca to complete the american project of there conquest in the middle east. i say no to this.

reply to post by SLAYER69


United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.

en.wikipedia.org...-deathlobby-3

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.

en.wikipedia.org...-deathlobby-3

It was the latter half of the Cold War. The US/West didn't know what the Soviets intention were when they invaded Afghanistan. Iran was then and still is small potatoes. Once upon a time we supported the Shaw of Iran. The Soviets supported Saddam in Iraq [That's how he got all those nice shiny Soviet/Russian weapons].

Then later after Iran had it's revolution the US/West stole Iraq out of the Soviets sphere of influence.

Now I know many of this present younger generation are all up to their necks and eye balls in obsession about Iran. It's really small potatoes. If the US/West really wanted Iran gone it would have been done so a long time ago.

Seriously Iran isn't that big of a deal

Originally posted by ALF88

 

And you are ignoring the very fact that it was your government who gave those WMDs to him. Using them on the Kurds was a crime, but so was providing him with the gas and other weapons. One should think the US has learned from its mistakes in the past, but it is pretty obvious that you didn't.

LOL as additions to the information that Slayer here provided you, you're wrong here's what Saddam Hussein former General Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti said about US giving WMDs.

Al-Tikriti dismissed the commonly heard claim that the U.S. helped bring Saddam to power, calling it "absolutely ludicrous." The Baathist revolution, he said, was backed by the Soviet Union because of the shared socialist ideology. "I was there helping with the revolution and worked on two occasions with Soviet KGB officials to help train us, much like the United States did with the Taliban during the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan," he said. "The United States never directly gave us any WMDs but rather ingredients. They were not mixed and these 'ingredients' could have been easily used for commercial use but were rather used to build low life chemical weapons." www.wnd.com...

www.globalpolitician.com... here is this full interview of Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti.

Sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about.

reply to post by MidnightTide

What do you think ATS?

Same old same old, the vultures come when the carcass is about to die. They will be splitting profits and arguing about who gets to control what, and profit off of what and who, and all that stuff. However though the machine and I quess you can call them reptilians still need to feed, so the show will go on in Libya and it will hit the road to other places all across the globe. And one day it will come to a town near you.

Remember y'all were here to fight for peace, and spreed freedom all across the world, that's why they just had to be bombed into submission. Nah really the truth is the people there had to pay for there transgression many generations ago, just like the ones who are there now to profit will have to pay for there transgression many generations from now.

And so there all just food.....I see dead people..... everywhere. The silent comedy, oh its hilarious...But let me say, why do they still bother asking why?

Originally posted by Lightrule
reply to post by kro32

 

Every time you post it makes me think you a paid shill. I mean you show up a couple months ago and already 4000+ posts none of which have any sort of real content. Always just the right comment to stir the pot, almost always pro establishment.

Anyways, a couple questions...

How are the conflicts in that area of the world any concern of the USA?

What does being a super power have to do with it?

That is all.

-Lightrule

Jesus H. Truman Christ!

I don't agree with Kro32 on everything, and may in fact have issues with the position given here. I haven't yet read the whole thread, so the jury is still out on it. I don't call anyone a "paid shill", "government disinfo agent", or any of those weak accusatory phrases just because they don't agree with me.

That's lame,man, and betrays an utter lack of ability to support your argument with counter facts. All ya got is unfounded accusations. It's W-E-A-K, and may well convince me that since you ain't got no real argument, I should more strongly consider the position of the opposition.

reply to post by nenothtu


Awesome? Your point regarding the OP is what again? Opinions are like assho... never mind bud, you get it...

Thanks for pointing out the special Olympics relationship to the internet...

How are you? Need a hug?

-Lightrule

went from clinton and liyba to iraq and saddam

i do love ats at times i am sitting here scratching my head how one has to do with the other.

and i cant stop laughing at the hillary in combat boots comment.

liybas future is quite simple it will become yet another religious theocracy thats who the us and nato have been helping.

when it comes to foreign policy whether or not its bill or hilary neither one has a clue.

Originally posted by cloaked4u
Here is a question that all ats members should be asking themselves. Why is hillary clinton to discuss anything about libya's future? Shoulden't they, THEY, be discussing their own future. What does this have to do with hillary or paris for that matter?

Because they, and their external supporters, BEGGED for NATO intervention to go in and kill Libyans to "free" them. I reckon that's one way to do it - kill 'em and they got no more worries.

Anyhow, ain't nothing free. You beg for their "help", you are begging for their interference, and once you beg them in, you no longer get to direct the interference.

Careful about inviting that vampire through the door in the first place....

Originally posted by Lightrule
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Awesome? Your point regarding the OP is what again? Opinions are like assho... never mind bud, you get it...

Thanks for pointing out the special Olympics relationship to the internet...

How are you? Need a hug?

-Lightrule

Like I said before, if that's all ya got, you ain't got enough to bother with.

Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by cloaked4u

 

Of course that's the reason and we don't want crazy dictators controlling something so vital to our country. If they want to come over here and control us that is certainly their right.

I find it funny how people think that if we just let everyone do what they want with the worlds oil supply everything will work out fine and they will all be friendly towards us.

Libya's contribution to the "world" oil supply is negligible, and is primarily a contribution the the European oil supply. If there were problems there, then France should have carried their own water, and left us the hell out of it.

It's a clustered flock. We shouldn't have been at all involved to begin with, and since some dumb-ass in DC thought it a good idea to jump in any how, now what? I say let Obama's kids do the patrolling over there instead of mine.

Originally posted by kro32
Last time we left the world alone we ended up fighting world war 2. Maybe that's what you guys are hoping for but i'd rather see us involved before it get's to that point especially with nuclear weapons all over the place.

There's a major difference between "leaving the world alone" and "micromanaging the internal affairs of cut-rate turd world crap holes".

reply to post by nenothtu


hey dude want to reply to my thread here? www.abovetopsecret.com... www.abovetopsecret.com...

nothing speical just go into my thread and reply to this.

Originally posted by MidnightTide

He was a good guy in American foreign policy till he stopped doing what the Americans wanted. How about Osama, he was one of the good guys at one time as well.

Bull crap. Pure, uncut, unadulterated, unmitigated bull crap.

Osama was NEVER one of the "good guys". If you insist on continuing to make that claim. I'm going to be asking for classified documents to prove your point. Internet speculations don't count for squat. They all have an agenda spin.

Primary docs, or it never happened.

reply to post by Paulioetc15


Can't. My video watcher stuff is on the fritz, so I can't watch the video to make an informed comment on it.

reply to post by SirClem


lol, i thought she was gone!


awesome job she is doing.

not!

probably there to make sure qudaffi gets a deal.

reply to post by nenothtu


You don't have to see the videos. What about my other thread about the 1994 Dick Cheney. No video. I can explain to all about it when you get there. There's also links about it too.