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Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by Freeborn
Party allegiance in Parliament should be abolished and the power of recall given to the electorate in addition to an increased use of both national and local referendums would give a fairer representation of the electorates wishes instead of allowing the corrupt elite to persue their agendas against the wishes and well being of the British people.
Freeborn, you know that Parties arem't recognised in Parliament! The "system" that promotes party allegiance is not Parliament, it is the parties themselves and the idots who stick to their party no matter what "because my dad and grandad voted for them"...
As for the discussion about the pits closing and maggie being evil. If she hadn't had stood up the Unions we'd be a third world country now. The price of coal was plummetting in the 80's, yet the miners demanded more and more and more. The refused to negotiate, so in the end they lost out. Bad, yes, but not entirely Maggies fault. The whole "Evil Tories destroyed the North" sounds like typical Left wign propoganda.
Originally posted by EvanB
Live by your means?
How are you supposed to do that on £60 a week dole, or a £5.80 an hour job which after the tax robber has looted your wages you are left with £180 out of which comes £110 a week rent, £40 a week food (barely buys you much) £25 a week gas and electric, £20 a week just to get to work, then you have council tax. In fact you end up on a weekly deficit. Live in your means?? What a fkin joke!
Hmmm...Most minimum wage people don't pay tax! Not unless you're working 70 hours a week, which is illegal. The tax threshold is pretty high and is set to climb even higher in this Parliament.
Originally posted by asl911
UK on the Brink of Civil War and here’s why.
• Parents who have not brought their children up to respect law and order and other worldly values.
• Feral youths with who refuse to work and live on state hand-outs and believe that being a celebrity is a vocation in life. The previous government positively created this culture giving money away to anyone who couldn’t be bothered to find a job.
• Multi-culturism has failed with Muslims refusing to integrate in to British life by not speaking English and trying to enforce Sharia law
• Corrupt politicians who illegally claim false expenses. What kind of message does that send out to everyone else?
• People not able to protect their property and loved ones with the use of force in case they hurt or injure their assailants
• Bankers still getting massive bonuses while everybody else is struggling to pay their bills
• The Police are not able to miss-handle prisoners in case it harms their human rights. The human rights bill is a complete joke and doesn’t help anybody.
• The Military involved in a war that can never be won and their actions are not appreciated by those they are trying to protect.
• The UK government still giving large cash hand-outs to allegedly poor countries even though we are struggling to pay our debts.
• The Russians making billions out of selling us over priced domestic gas
• Every ‘Great’ British company now owned by foreigners especially our Football clubs
• A weak coalition government that is totally split and is still not listening to the people.
God help us, no wonder there are riots in the streets.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by EvanB
All I can suggest is look to move to another part of the country?
Go where the work is, that's what people have always done (Industrial revolution) but it seems lately people expect work on their doorstep. Even my own missus is like that. I have been trying to find her gainful employment for 3 years now as she is stuck at Argos on low pay, but she rejects any job I find which she could do as it involves catching two buses or two trains....
Personally, I've worked in Wales, Cornwall, London, Essex.. I know people liek the area's where they live, but you have to make a choice.
Originally posted by asl911
UK on the Brink of Civil War and here’s why.
Originally posted by asl911
• Parents who have not brought their children up to respect law and order and other worldly values.
• Feral youths with who refuse to work and live on state hand-outs and believe that being a celebrity is a vocation in life. The previous government positively created this culture giving money away to anyone who couldn’t be bothered to find a job.
Originally posted by asl911
• Multi-culturism has failed with Muslims refusing to integrate in to British life by not speaking English and trying to enforce Sharia law
Originally posted by asl911
• Corrupt politicians who illegally claim false expenses. What kind of message does that send out to everyone else?
Originally posted by asl911
• People not able to protect their property and loved ones with the use of force in case they hurt or injure their assailants
Originally posted by asl911
• Bankers still getting massive bonuses while everybody else is struggling to pay their bills
Originally posted by asl911
• The Police are not able to miss-handle prisoners in case it harms their human rights. The human rights bill is a complete joke and doesn’t help anybody.
Originally posted by asl911
• The Military involved in a war that can never be won and their actions are not appreciated by those they are trying to protect.
Originally posted by asl911
• The UK government still giving large cash hand-outs to allegedly poor countries even though we are struggling to pay our debts.
Originally posted by asl911
• Every ‘Great’ British company now owned by foreigners especially our Football clubs
Bring the rain brother, then bring the pain. Absolutely no reason why you should not be able to bear arms like we do in america. Read my signature, it says it all right there. Now go retake your damn country, and find a black market arms dealer and get your people some bloody guns, and REAL guns, not the ones you all modify from those single shot musket pistols you used in the 1600's. Get you a solid 1911 colt .45 with a laser sight.
Freeborn, you know that Parties arem't recognised in Parliament!
The "system" that promotes party allegiance is not Parliament, it is the parties themselves
and the idots who stick to their party no matter what "because my dad and grandad voted for them"...
Originally posted by nexusferox
then i tell them about 18 year old kids traipsing down to the local handout centre for their free heroin substitute, dragging their 4 yr old kid by the arm whilst screaming obscenities at the little guy, groups of 14 year old kids congregating outside the local supermarket spitting at old people and blocking the door, laughing while they rob the shop in full knowledge that any copper who shows up will be a 22 year old blonde bird in a CSO outfit, powerless and intimidated. i also point out how safe it is in (pretty much) any town or city between thursday and monday after dark.
Originally posted by nexusferox
i dunno, it makes me sick to read people saying 'how the f..k am i expected to survive on 60 quid a week dole money?' and im glad im in the 3rd world, where people realise they exist on their own steam, or they perish.
Originally posted by nexusferox
good luck to all 373 'normal, decent brits' left in that sh.t.h.ole. i wish you luck. the country doesnt need a revolution, it needs repatriating by people who care a toss. I gave up.
Originally posted by EvanB
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by EvanB
All I can suggest is look to move to another part of the country?
Go where the work is, that's what people have always done (Industrial revolution) but it seems lately people expect work on their doorstep. Even my own missus is like that. I have been trying to find her gainful employment for 3 years now as she is stuck at Argos on low pay, but she rejects any job I find which she could do as it involves catching two buses or two trains....
Personally, I've worked in Wales, Cornwall, London, Essex.. I know people liek the area's where they live, but you have to make a choice.
Ive had to go to another extreme and have a job in Dubai.
Its easy to say "move" but when you do not have resources to do that yoy are pretty much stuck where you are. I too have worked all over the country, the world even, but not having the means to travel and have accomadation makes you stuck in a virtua prison.
I have been fortunate by the fact that I am good at what I do, but I am still having to rely on my company to get me to my work abroad or I would not be able to do it.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by plnelson
Actually, one could argue that all 4 nations have a shared history going back over a millenia, rather than 4 seperate histories.
As for being distinct people, this isn't entirely true either. The Welsh and English are actually more or less the same ethnic group (The Welsh and Cornish are orignal Britons that escaped anglification after the fall of the Roman Empire - the common folk remained the same people though as only the Elites changed) and a significant amount of lowland Scots would hail from Anglo-Saxon lineages, seeing as Edinburgh was origjnally part of the Kingdom of Northumbria before the Scots nabbed it.
That said, the English are a result of all the home nations and the invaders all blending, whereas those who hail from Wales, Scotland and ireland didin't have the same degree of mongrelisation. For example, people in Yorkshire will have quite a bit of Viking ancestry, in the South and West they will be Brythionic (Welsh and Cornish - original romano-britons) and out East they will be of Germanic stock.
When all is said and done though, we are one nation and many nations at the same time. We have huge similarities and some big differences, but in the end our shared heritage and culture are greater than the constituent parts.
All the so called Scots/English conflicts we've been taught about were merely the Norman elites fighting among themselves.