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Wow... England Needs A Revolution...

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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At least you have a chance for your "revolution". (That is what this thread is about, right?)

Good luck fighting the "revolution" with air rifles and replicas. That's the difference. As for the U.S. being no better, I'll pretty much have to agree with you there. We are run by the same Fabian Socialists that have destroyed England, and they're working had to do it here too. The difference is that a 30.06 or an AR-15 give you a better chance against an armed oppressor much better than a knife or a stick.

I wish nothing but the best for the British people. As you said, we're cousins. It grieves me to see how far England has fallen. Don't forget, my wife is a Brit (naturalized U.S. citizen on 8/3/2011 though). I long for the days of Thatcher.




posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by 547000
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Class warfare. Got it. Rich people evil. Raw raw raw.

Have fun with that.


There is a huge difference between being rich and being a good steward of resources.

The rich hoard the wealth and resources for their own benifit, taking away resource from those that need it.

The good steward takes care of those resources, makes them grow sustainably and distributes them sustainably and fairly too.

There is too much greed, greed of the few has killed many many people and destroyed many lives. If those talented people were stewards instead of hoarders then the world would be a better place.
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to post by Freeborn
 

At least you have a chance for your "revolution". (That is what this thread is about, right?)

Good luck fighting the "revolution" with air rifles and replicas. That's the difference. As for the U.S. being no better, I'll pretty much have to agree with you there. We are run by the same Fabian Socialists that have destroyed England, and they're working had to do it here too. The difference is that a 30.06 or an AR-15 give you a better chance against an armed oppressor much better than a knife or a stick.

I wish nothing but the best for the British people. As you said, we're cousins. It grieves me to see how far England has fallen. Don't forget, my wife is a Brit (naturalized U.S. citizen on 8/3/2011 though). I long for the days of Thatcher.

I hear you and feel for the American people as much as the British BUT Thatcher destroyed this country and the lives of a lot of us. Outside of the UK she is seen as somekind of angel.. to a great portion of our country she's poison.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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They are playing a huge game, not just in England but have created a simmering anger against our Scottish and Welsh friends
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Wales is heading for metldown my friend this horrific video speaks volumes as far as I'm aware no one was braught to task over this -


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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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I know you are right in as much as we do need to stick together and concentrate more on the many things that unite us rather than the few which divide.

But as a means of moving forward I genuinely would like to see a more devolved Britain within something like a Federal Union.

I have previously mentioned my belief in abolishing the party system, increased use of local and national referendums and the power of recall.

If I remember correctly The Power of Recall was included in The Conservative Party Manifesto, to my knowledge they have made no attempt whatsoever to introduce relevant legislation.....what a surprise and just another vindication of why it should be introduced.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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What did she do that was so wrong?



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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I am a Welshman, i lived in England most of my life my dad served in the army for 22 years.
I followed my parents back to wales after my dad had a stroke.
It's not all wine and roses here, did you know wales has one of the highest incidence of disability in europe?, or, that wales has as much poverty as Estonia?, we are ranked alongside them in poverty tables, Welsh taxes go to England to repay the central bankers for the money they lend the idiot English puppet regime.
Welsh people do not have the same opportunities as the English, we have a few well populated centers and small towns, the vast majority of wales is uninhabited, the industries that once supported many rural locations no longer exist, mining has gone, our steel industry has gone, our manufacturing ability is in terminal rapid decline and nothing is being done to replace these lost opportunities for work.
Also to get "Free" education you have to meet the same standards of poverty as the English students getting "Free" education, it's not "Free" for everyone.
As for prescriptions, they should be free for everyone, i wish they were for you, i now that those people that really need free prescriptions already can get them, i.e on benefits or being unable to work.
We would be very happy for the English to give wales back, you took it by force from us and to be honest you can't moan about it now, not your fault, not mine, it's the way things are.
As a Great tri nation we know we can achieve and we should begin upon another great achievement of banding together and begin making a Greater Britain before we are sold even further down the river by the puppets masters, their best interests are not in our best interests.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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Socialism did this country a lot of good years ago, so did the Conservatives.

But that was decades ago....I previously stated that every government and administration since at least Heath, another member reckons it goes as far back as Wilson's first term in office, has systematically deconstructed anything that was good or great about this country.
And top of the list is Thatcher with her evil, vindictiveness.
As has been stated previously, she maybe venerated abroad where MSM has done a great PR job for her, she was / is a favourite of Murdoch, but she is viewed as the devil incarnate by large sections of British society.

Oh, and how about answering the questions I asked?

As for your point about air-rifles etc....do you think hunting rifles etc would be any better against the might and weaponry of either of our Armed Forces?
If any sort of revolution were to be successful it would be imperative that a large section of the military supported it.
There is genuine growing resentment within the UK's Armed Forces at present, I honestly don't know if the same can be said about US forces.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
The difference is that a 30.06 or an AR-15 give you a better chance against an armed oppressor much better than a knife or a stick.

For years I've agreed with Freeborn on almost everything. But we definitely disagree on the right to bear arms. It's not so much that gun ownership is a good thing - more what being prohibited signifies. Only slaves are disarmed, the freeman has the right to defend himself and his liberty by any means necessary. It is true that in a nation as densely populated and multicultural as England the results of widespread gun ownership could be catastrophic, but this is the fault of mass-immigration. With a healthy population number, sense of unity and general happiness gun ownership would be an asset to England.

Nevertheless, when society crumbles, we're resourceful and creative enough that we'll either somehow acquire the guns necessary to protect ourselves or will find alternative weapons and techniques.



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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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English taxes go to the same bankers.

We are in the same boat my friend....I live in North East England and there are areas here that differ little from post-war or even earlier times.

I certainly don't want to sound like some whinging Northerner but we have been screwed over as much as anyone in the UK.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to post by Freeborn
 

At least you have a chance for your "revolution". (That is what this thread is about, right?)

Good luck fighting the "revolution" with air rifles and replicas. That's the difference. As for the U.S. being no better, I'll pretty much have to agree with you there. We are run by the same Fabian Socialists that have destroyed England, and they're working had to do it here too. The difference is that a 30.06 or an AR-15 give you a better chance against an armed oppressor much better than a knife or a stick.

I wish nothing but the best for the British people. As you said, we're cousins. It grieves me to see how far England has fallen. Don't forget, my wife is a Brit (naturalized U.S. citizen on 8/3/2011 though). I long for the days of Thatcher.


People here have guns, and not just .22, air rifles or replicas. You CAN in fact own guns, and getting a licence to own a gun isn't very hard, but most people don't because we don't need to.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.met.police.uk...

Educate yourself, be the first out of 300,000,000 to know what you are talking about before you speak.

P.S - Maggie was a beautiful lady, she brought the unions to their dirty communist knees.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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We are in the same boat my friend....I live in North East England and there are areas here that differ little from post-war or even earlier times.



I'm from the North East originally. Please tell me where and what streets you are talking about.

A little over dramatic me thinks.


Oh...you mean Beamish

www.beamish.org.uk...


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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Too many things, but in a nutshell and without going into too much detail - sold off over 20 British Industries to private companies and other countries leaving them free to profiteer (gas, trains, shipping, BT, coal, steel, high unemployment rates followed)
Poll tax, crippled and criminalized people.
Increased animosity between rich and poor, north and south.
Took power away from the unions (workers should have a right in what they do otherwise it's slavery)



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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I pay £30 a month on gas and electric too, no tumble dryer, no dishwasher, turn lights off and have the temperature on the centeral heating set to 17 degrees.


Sheesh, I pay £160 a month and that's about to go up by 17%



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
To be fair, undergraduate degrees have been devalued over the past 20 years to the extent that most are worthless. Perhaps it's a good thing we have less people going to university...

And by the way, the current state of the UK is the legacy of Tony Blair and New Labour, not the current government.


Lets not be daft here - The current state of this country is down to DECADES of previous governments - Selfish decisions made by both "labour" and "conservatives" they're both on the same side at the end of the day.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by michael1983l
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I pay £30 a month on gas and electric too, no tumble dryer, no dishwasher, turn lights off and have the temperature on the centeral heating set to 17 degrees.


Sheesh, I pay £160 a month and that's about to go up by 17%



£160!!!! per month!!!!


How big is your house? I'd get your meters checked.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by Freeborn
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We are in the same boat my friend....I live in North East England and there are areas here that differ little from post-war or even earlier times.



I'm from the North East originally. Please tell me where and what streets you are talking about.

A little over dramatic me thinks.




I take it you have not seen Blythe, Ashington, South Sheilds,Gateshead and Sunderland just lately?


All stalwarts of mining, steel et al full of proud, hardworking people now reduced to handouts.. Its criminal what successive governments have done to the North East. Here in the Midlands too. The heart of the industrial revolution and manufacturing, all dissapeared, many hard working and highly skilled people thrown on the tip..

You live on another planet mate.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Socialism did this country a lot of good years ago, so did the Conservatives.

Personally, I think a country does well with about 15% "Socialist" programs and 85% "Capitalist" policies. Much more either way and it crumbles. I think England's biggest problem now is immigration due to the EU, as well as the general laziness of a large segment of its citizens. My brother-in-law is a prime example. He hates the government, but then cashes his dole check. Wash, rinse and repeat. It's the same thing all the time. When he gets his check, he immediately heads to the pub. I have ZERO respect for that 45 year old "man".


Originally posted by Freeborn
But that was decades ago....I previously stated that every government and administration since at least Heath, another member reckons it goes as far back as Wilson's first term in office, has systematically deconstructed anything that was good or great about this country.
And top of the list is Thatcher with her evil, vindictiveness.
As has been stated previously, she maybe venerated abroad where MSM has done a great PR job for her, she was / is a favourite of Murdoch, but she is viewed as the devil incarnate by large sections of British society.

I didn't live under her rule, so I can only go by what I've read and heard. My wife, looking back, loves her. She didn't care much for Maggie at the time, but seeing how Labour and the Lib/Dems have run things, she too wishes for another Thatcher.


Originally posted by Freeborn
Oh, and how about answering the questions I asked?

What question. If I missed something, I apologize.


Originally posted by Freeborn
As for your point about air-rifles etc....do you think hunting rifles etc would be any better against the might and weaponry of either of our Armed Forces?

Considering I own fully automatic weapons, yes. I also think that hunting rifles can be quite a nice tool to conserve ammunition. A bolt action rifle will do quite well in a sniper situation. Yes, you'll lose your ass big time against an A-10 Warthog spraying your location, or a B-52 dropping bombs. That's a "no brainer". However, you need to remember that a large segment of gun owners (100,000,000 of them) are veterans, who understand the tactics which will be employed, etc. At least you'll be bringing a gun to a gun fight, and not a knife. As I just stated though, bringing a gun to a bomb fight is a guaranteed loss. See below for more...


Originally posted by Freeborn
If any sort of revolution were to be successful it would be imperative that a large section of the military supported it.
There is genuine growing resentment within the UK's Armed Forces at present, I honestly don't know if the same can be said about US forces.

That's the wild card. I think that the military in the U.S. will be similar to the UK military. I don't see them open firing on civilians. There will be a select few, but by in large the troops will support the people they signed up to defend. I don't think you'll have much of the military on the side of either government. From my discussions with local law enforcement, I can tell you they won't be on the side of the government either.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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A mighty army? well, we got our a*ses well and truly kicked when we took on a band of disparate "rebels" and "terrorists" in 1776! Something we seem to have forgotten these days.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by EvanB

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by Freeborn
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We are in the same boat my friend....I live in North East England and there are areas here that differ little from post-war or even earlier times.



I'm from the North East originally. Please tell me where and what streets you are talking about.

A little over dramatic me thinks.




I take it you have not seen Blythe, Ashington, South Sheilds,Gateshead and Sunderland just lately?


All stalwarts of mining, steel et al full of proud, hardworking people now reduced to handouts.. Its criminal what successive governments have done to the North East. Here in the Midlands too. The heart of the industrial revolution and manufacturing, all dissapeared, many hard working and highly skilled people thrown on the tip..

You live on another planet mate.



They aren't post war standard. Inside toilets, sky dishes, mobile phones, cars, computers, washing machines, baths, electricity, radiators etc.

I certainly don't live on another planet and do indeed know people who live/d there.

Me, I lived in gateshead for a few years in a run down area. I know what I'm on about.


You are insulting people from those areas with trash like that. Seriously.
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