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Originally posted by seagull
The next question is: Will the "tea party" remain this way? Who knows.
Why can't it be voluntary, like every other insurance out there?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by sageofmonticello
I commend you for you choices, and good luck to you!
The difference between me and somebody unemployed that is living off the state/feds. I will not steal from another person for my benefit. I will not take possession of stolen money just because life has gotten hard for me.
When will people realize that IT"S YOUR MONEY!!!!
It's not stealing from anyone. It's not the governments money. We all pay into it and therefore have a right to use it when needed! Does the tax money to pay for such programs come from the government? Does it come from everyone else's taxes except mine, therefore I am not allowed to use the system?
I am not and have not been unemployed since I was 18yrs old. Do you mean to tell me that I would be a bum to take unemployment (also paid by your employer in the form of an insurance policy) even though I have paid into
it for years?edit on 30-8-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Most people realise that when there is a gripe about those recieving government assistance, it's not those who need temporary assistance that people have a problem with. It's the ones who are life long recipients.
When I hear people debate this issue I rarely hear someone say that it is just a small portion of those recipients that hurts the system. The argument against welfare is a blanket one, and it encompasses all who have or do use the system.
I agree with you, but we cannot hang the people out to dry because of a small number that take advantage.edit on 30-8-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
If nobody would pay for their individual unemployment insurance, how is having it in place in the interest of the people? Sounds like you think nobody wants unemployment insurance yet here you are defending it? sounds like you want it and are happy paying for it. I just want the option to not be robbed. Is that asking to much?
Empirical evidence suggests that taxes and transfers considerably reduce poverty in most countries, whose welfare states commonly constitute at least a fifth of GDP.[20][21] Most "welfare states" have considerably lower poverty rates than they had before the implementation of welfare programs.
There is very little correlation between economic performance and welfare expenditure
Originally posted by LooksLikeWeMadeIt
reply to post by beezzer
sometimes I wonder where you come up with this stuff. your definition of progressive is way off base. normally I would say I'm astounded by your definition but since the tea party came along I've learned to lower my expectations concerning the mental capacity / veracity of my fellow American. let's clear some things up. if and when you broke your leg, a progressive would make sure you had access to the best medical care regardless of your social / financial situation. a progressive would do everything to ensure your return to a full life. in other words, with us you wouldn't be able to tap out some preset limit. we'd keep working with you until either you got better or we had returned you to an acceptable quality of life. that quality of life would be the patient's & his doctor's decision not some "suit doctor insurance company whore" sitting in an office 1000 miles away. progressives don't see color, sexual orientation or creed; ALL people recieve the SAME quality of care regardless of who they are and who they love. progressives have faith in their fellow human. we don't assume that everyone desires to rip off the system. (why are right wingers so paranoid btw?) and let us not forget that it is the progressives who lead the charge in medical research including daily breakthroughs in care as well as cures. without the progressives this country would stagnate and die. but then again, somedays I have a feeling that is what the tea party is all about --- survival of the fittest / richest / whitest and all others be damned.edit on 30-8-2011 by LooksLikeWeMadeIt because: added some adjectivesedit on 30-8-2011 by LooksLikeWeMadeIt because: added more
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I'm not religious, but ask yourself what Jesus would do.
Linkedit on 30-8-2011 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by centurion1211
Maybe in your dreams of pure socialism/communism ...
But it's never worked out the way you say it should and it never will.
"Progressives have faith in their fellow human"? A total fabrication. Progressives have faith in only the government. No progressive would "do everything to ensure your return to a full life", or any of the BS you posted. Instead they would walk right on by hoping that someone in the government would come by soon to take care of the problem because it was making them feel bad.
Progressives are perpetual believers in Robin Hood - where it's good to steal from the rich and give to the poor - right up until they get a little money of their own (progressive hypocrisy exposed). The proof in this statement is that while so many progressives say that they should be taxed more, NONE of them EVER sends in extra money to the IRS on their own (more progressive hypocrisy exposed).
Look at your last sentence - " ... I have a feeling that is what the tea party is all about ..." "Feeling" - what progressives are soooo good at. Go ahead and feel your way through life. Tea Party members will spend theirs thinking about the issues and how to solve them.
edit on 8/30/2011 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by seagull
The "tea party" as a concept is against this sort of thing. ...and that just doesn't sit well with those who would like us all to give up responsibility for our own care, and let the nanny-state take care of us.
The next question is: Will the "tea party" remain this way? Who knows.
The TEA party; when reflected as policy, is going to be manifested in massive corporate liberation.
I don't think corporations needs more power over America , it is a byproduct which will probably do
little to curtail the "size" of government as well.
Just make sure you don't come crying to me when you lose your job, don't have anything to fall back on, and there is no other job to be had.
If you read my ealier post in this same thread you will see that I in fact talked about the corporate welfare and the taxes that rich people don't pay. I talk about the small person and such. Thanks!
Yes, I am glad there is a safety net for all of us and I gladly pay a small, very small amount to ensure that I can feed my family in case something happens.